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venenoindy
07-11-2010, 16:12
I'm looking for a home defence round and don't know if have to go 115gr or 147gr?

17119jfkioe
07-11-2010, 16:23
124gr speer gold dot +p is a highly recommended one. I myself use it

MURRAY
07-11-2010, 17:06
look around here lots of good info I go with 147 Hst or Ranger T in my 9mm

tbhracing
07-11-2010, 17:16
I use Remington Golden Saber 124 grain, no +p. Also like Federal Premium, non +p.

glocknbruce
07-11-2010, 17:17
opinions on this subject are like noses, everybodys got one.....

but for my .02 there is no better load in 9mm than the Winchester 127 grain +p+

ammunitiontogo.com has them in stock

tx787
07-11-2010, 17:22
Neither, 124 +p

That being said any will be just fine although I don't like +p+

DRT
07-11-2010, 17:45
look around here lots of good info I go with 147 Hst or Ranger T in my 9mm

+1 or 127gr +P+ Ranger Tseries

Dandapani
07-11-2010, 17:52
What's a "home defense" round? One that doesn't penetrate dry wall, but is a one-shot stop in the BG?

Glolt20-91
07-11-2010, 17:56
This ammo gets high marks from a number of different GT members, one of my favorite bullets to load in .38Super because its velocity window can be pushed and it'll still perform very well.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=212747

The 124gr Gold Dot was deemed a caliber failure by NYSP, but NYCPD has stayed with it. 6 well placed shots on two felons, they continue giving return fire killing a State Trooper; and both felons survive.

For personal protection at this weight group, the 124gr XTP is a much, much better choice than the 124gr GD.

Bob :cowboy:

fredj338
07-11-2010, 18:07
This ammo gets high marks from a number of different GT members, one of my favorite bullets to load in .38Super because its velocity window can be pushed and it'll still perform very well.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=212747

The 124gr Gold Dot was deemed a caliber failure by NYSP, but NYCPD has stayed with it. 6 well placed shots on two felons, they continue giving return fire killing a State Trooper; and both felons survive.

For personal protection at this weight group, the 124gr XTP is a much, much better choice than the 124gr GD.

Bob :cowboy:

I'm not a 147grJHP fan, in most manuf, too much penetration & not quite enough expansion, HST are probably the exception though. I lean to 124gr+P when I do go to a 9mm. RIght now, it's 124grRGS+P or BlackHills 124grXTP+P. The BH is hot, making 1220fps in my G26.
There is some merit to going lighter, faster JHP like a 115gr to limit penetration in bldg. mat'l. your call, but everything that goes through drywall.

JBP55
07-11-2010, 18:44
HST, Ranger T, PDX1, Gold Dot in 124/127/147.

Ljay
07-11-2010, 19:44
Remington Golden Sabers,

124Grn. +P Works so well in my G-26, And Browning HP,s No need to try anything else, Dont care about groups @25Yrds, Just SD.

cowboy1964
07-11-2010, 19:52
This ammo gets high marks from a number of different GT members, one of my favorite bullets to load in .38Super because its velocity window can be pushed and it'll still perform very well.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=212747


I would never use the Winchester White Box JHPs. Here's one reason why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G45AQwzqaas

cowboy1964
07-11-2010, 19:55
The 124gr Gold Dot was deemed a caliber failure by NYSP, but NYCPD has stayed with it. 6 well placed shots on two felons, they continue giving return fire killing a State Trooper; and both felons survive.

Actually the NYC PD uses the 124+P. That round has an excellent record.

17119jfkioe
07-11-2010, 20:04
Actually the NYC PD uses the 124+P. That round has an excellent record.

I thought the GD's had an excellent record. I was confused by cowboys post.

Pardoner
07-11-2010, 20:53
I thought the GD's had an excellent record. I was confused by cowboys post.

+1... I'll put my trust in either of the 124 grn gold dot loadings.

They have been around a long time for a reason.

HWA GLOCKER
07-11-2010, 22:59
147 Hst, but my night stand gun is a g21sf with 230gr HST's

Glolt20-91
07-12-2010, 00:45
Actually the NYC PD uses the 124+P. That round has an excellent record.

http://www.gunweek.com/2007/feature0410.html

The Glock 17 9mm pistol used by Sperr has a reputation as a reliable handgun. The pistol is simple to use and maintain and has proven reliable in service. But the caliber has been controversial. The 9mm is often referred to as enough “given good shot placement,” but the reality is that the 9mm has given mixed results, and some of the results are very poor. The 9mm relies upon an expanding bullet for effect. When the felon is wearing clothing such as heavy down that impedes the expansion of a hollowpoint bullet poor results are predictable. The NYSP moved to adopt a more powerful handgun, but were willing to do so only if a pistol of equal accuracy could be adopted.


The caliber trend in law enforcement has been moving away from 9mm for some time now. NYSP changed to the .45GAP;

NYSP spokesman Sgt. Kern Swoboda said that the new pistol was chosen in part to increase “immediate incapacitation” and “maximize safety.”

http://www.troopers.state.ny.us/Public_Information/2006_News_Releases/11-09-06_New_York_State_Police_to%20Purchase_New_Glock_Pistol.cfm

124gr Gold Dot at +P velocity;

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/At%20the%20range/124GD1268fps003.jpg

Same test, 327 Federal Mag 115gr Gold Dot;

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/At%20the%20range/327FedMag115grGoldDot003.jpg

147gr Win JHP pushed to mid 1100s held together, retained its weight and mushroomed nicely;

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/At%20the%20range/147grWinJHPnotched1150fps004.jpg

147gr Golden Sabers mid 1100s, don't give me much confidence:

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/At%20the%20range/147grRemGoldenSabers1160fps008.jpg

Bob

cowboy1964
07-12-2010, 09:09
Clogged hollow points are not unique to the 9mm. Yeah an unexpanded .45 is bigger than an unexpanded 9mm, we all know that. But placement and penetration trump expansion all day long. If shots don't hit the right parts four .45 slugs won't stop a felon any faster than a 9mm.

I have yet to see any details on exactly what wounds those two shooters in the NY SP case received. All I know is 4 hits to one guy, 1 wound (in the back) to the other.

NY loves 10 round magazines. I wonder if that was factor in choosing the 37. Otherwise why not .357SIG? Superior barrier penetration and 30% more rounds and, arguably, slightly better stopping power.

GunFighter45ACP
07-12-2010, 10:31
I like +p+ in 9mms w/a 4" or greater length barrel. I've currently got Win 127 +p+ loaded in my 9mm, but wouldn't hesitate to go the Fed 115 +p+ route if I could get my hands on them as well.

Glolt20-91
07-12-2010, 16:45
Actually the NYC PD uses the 124+P. That round has an excellent record.

However, in high risk situations, the first ballistic shield entry officer carries .357mag.

Given the OP's premise for engaging home invasion felon/s . . . there are much better choices.

Bob :cowboy:

novaDAK
07-14-2010, 18:26
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#9mm

any of these


Barnes XPB 115gr HP (35515) loaded by Cor-Bon (DPX09115)
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Winchester Partition Gold 124gr JHP (RA91P)
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Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
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Winchester Ranger-T 127gr JHP +P+ (RA9TA)
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Winchester Ranger-T 147gr JHP (RA9T)
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Winchester Bonded 147gr JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
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Speer Gold Dot 124gr JHP +P (53617)
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Speer Gold Dot 147gr JHP (53619)
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Remington Golden Saber 147gr JHP (GS9MMC)
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Federal Tactical 124gr JHP (LE9T1)
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Federal Tactical 135gr JHP +P (LE9T5)
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Federal HST 147gr JHP (P9HST2)