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duncan
07-13-2010, 13:33
Funny but with our Glocks, we slingshot the slide all of the way back and let it go forward stripping around form the magazine and going into full battery.

BUT

With our Kahrs, we're supposed to drop the slide with the slide lock lever to do the same thing.

Are you dropping your slide lock or slingshotting?

I've had a few feed ramp hangups slingshotting.

How do you get ready to rock?

got_metal
07-13-2010, 14:08
One should be equally skilled at both. If you're in a situation where the offhand is not able to grip the slide firm enough for slingshotting due to injury and such, the next best thing is to release the slide lock single handed. I do both when at the range.

js0ne
07-13-2010, 15:52
Kahr recommends the slide lock release to chamber because it is a more reliable way to feed. When new, Kahrs are very sensitive to those who "ride the slide" as it is feeding which may lead to the round hanging up in the feed ramp.

My PM9 has over 500 rounds through it, and I operate it in the exact manner I operate my Glocks without any problems. (slingshot)

the perfesser
07-13-2010, 19:00
Some folks can slingshot reliably. Some cannot. I'm in the latter group, so I almost always load my PM9 from slidelock.

Maybe I'll be able to join the first group someday, but until then I'll do what the manual says.

Linux3
07-13-2010, 20:22
PM9 with around 3,000 rounds through it. I can slingshot it but it takes practice and a well broken in Kahr. Many shooters do not let go of the slide 'cleanly'. If you drag the slide past your fingers, even a little, it will not chamber.

However, my TP9 is very easy to slingshot. Bigger, longer pistol I guess.

Look, jack the slide to slide lock.
Pop in a mag.
Release the slide.
Carry with confidence.
Easy and why debate it?

duncan
07-13-2010, 23:10
Well, I spoke to Kahr tech support and they did recommend the slide lock release. Wetsanded with Breakfree and 600 grit paper lightly then Flitz metal polished to a mirror reflection. Slide lock released fine with longer 147 grain Hydrashoks.

Gloc_K_ahr
07-13-2010, 23:34
I slingshot the TP-9 and slidelock my glock. I still need to polish up the kahr like I did the glock to get that easier slide release. Right now it is still too stiff when slingshoting is so much easier. Now that I think about it, tomorrow is the day to break out the dremel and the flitz.

ripley16
07-14-2010, 04:34
Are you dropping your slide lock or slingshotting?
Both methods work
I've had a few feed ramp hangups slingshotting.
This is the reason Kahr recommends using the slide release lever
How do you get ready to rock?
If the gun is empty and needs to be loaded at the range I will slingshot 9 out of 10 times, thereafter when inserting a fresh mag from slide lock, I will use the lever.

FLSlim
07-14-2010, 07:23
On my CW9, both, but mainly using the slide lock release. Never a problem either way.

Bronson
07-14-2010, 09:15
Look, jack the slide to slide lock.
Pop in a mag.
Release the slide.
Carry with confidence.
Easy and why debate it?

Because all of the accepted techniques for clearing a malfunction use the slingshot method to return the gun to battery. This is the one reason I've stopped carrying my Kahr as my primary. I can normally slingshot it back to service but it isn't reliable and has to be done with a lot of snap. All of my other carry autos I can just pull the slide back and let it go and it will return to battery every time with any ammo I've run through them.

Bronson

the perfesser
07-14-2010, 18:02
Because all of the accepted techniques for clearing a malfunction use the slingshot method to return the gun to battery.

Much as I hate to acknowledge it, Bronson has identified the one scenario that has vexed me in this matter. As my post #4 above says, the load-by-slidelock method is the one I use; I pray that, in case of a malfunction in a serious confrontation, I will have the time to drop the mag, clear any obstruction, lock slide back, reinsert mag (old or reload), drop slidelock and charge chamber. Or that I get lucky -- my slingshotting success increases as cartridge capacity decreases.

Maybe that's why the snubbie gets carried more, or that I contemplate the "New York reload" method (i.e., carry two small guns).

KCTanfoglio
07-23-2010, 21:21
I'm feeling like Bronson & Perfesser. A lot of people don't like to carry around a piece with one in the chamber. I'm not one of them, but when the time comes, that's a lot of gymnastics to get ready for a quick confrontation.

I've studied this process with all 3 of my Kahrs and there are so many variables in play it's hard to point to one that makes slide lock release chambering necessary. But once in, it keeps on firing. It is the only autoloader manufacturer that acts like this, and I owned most of them, from time to time. When you have to clear a FTF, it can be daunting unless you're Chuck Norris or Superman..... I still love these guns and carry one everyday, all day.

fullhouse
08-09-2010, 09:11
I just use the slide release. Sometimes I have bad luck with the sling hot method.

revel8
08-09-2010, 19:26
Well, I spoke to Kahr tech support and they did recommend the slide lock release. Wetsanded with Breakfree and 600 grit paper lightly then Flitz metal polished to a mirror reflection. Slide lock released fine with longer 147 grain Hydrashoks.

What did you polish?

Scamp
08-10-2010, 03:18
I use the slide release, but I can't help but to try the sling shot method while at the range a few times anyway, and I'm starting to get it to work most times!

bean66
08-25-2010, 17:11
I slingshot mine reliably every time, but Its also done with "purpose" and no riding the rail, the slide is literally stipped from my hand during the process. Left hand moves back and right hand punches forward no letting go early!!! I've never had an issue with failure to feed.

I find the slide lock release method cumbersome and difficult under stress.

PhantomF4E
09-09-2010, 19:05
Practice, practice, practice, whatever you prefer. Works for me flawlessly either way... I for one can't see why one would carry without one in the chamber, but to each his own. Racking the slide is intimidating, but when fractions of a second are riding on it. I don't wanna have to worry about it. One thing you can try, and I use this in my Uncle Mikes #3. Use the little plastic trigger locks that ship with the Kahr. I use the left hand part of the lock in the trigger housing. It makes the trigger ummovable. Practice ejecting the block on the draw with your trigger finger. I do it without thinking now. Never had it come out of place, in pocket or in holster. It is absolutley positive and totally eliminates the unlikely trigger snag on a draw, adjustment,etc. Just a thought, works for me. I even ordered a spare just in case I ever loose one.

mitchg233
09-10-2010, 11:18
Having to use the slide lock eliminates the simple smack rack bang ftf solution, and is a liability. Fortunately, all the Kahrs I have used loosen up to reliably rack or (aggressively) slingshot in time.

nraman
09-16-2010, 23:22
I slingshot my PM9 and just about everything else.
Is it OK to use +P+ ammo in the PM9?

bean66
09-19-2010, 14:50
I too carry with a round chambered. No need to dink with slide locking when the time is needed to draw the weapon. I for one don't want to have to take the extra time to chamber a round while under stress. But then again, I really don't ever want to have to draw the weapon in the first place.

the perfesser
09-20-2010, 18:58
I too carry with a round chambered. No need to dink with slide locking when the time is needed to draw the weapon. I for one don't want to have to take the extra time to chamber a round while under stress.

When I first learned that Kahr recommended loading the PM9 only from slidelock, I said to my companion "Well, that means it has to be carried always in Condition One."

gb6491
09-20-2010, 21:54
I wonder if the whole "use the slide stop a chamber a round" wasn't driven by Kahr customer service in response to end user complaints? The smaller size of these guns and their powerful recoil springs probably caused some problems with new users pulling the slide fully reward to slingshot the slide.
FWIW: Older Kahr instruction manuals (available here (Kahr K, T, P, & PM series Operating Instructions)) describe a slingshot method as the way to chamber a round:
"Insert the magazine into the
magazine well at the base of
the grip until the magazine
catch engages full.

Pull the slide fully to the rear
and allow it to spring for-
ward into the locked position.
Do not impede the forward
travel of the slide or attempt
to ease the slide forward.
The full spring tension of the
recoil spring is required to
assure proper feeding of the
round from the magazine." (http://i52.tinypic.com/eqrv4i.jpg)

It's been my experience that the above procedure is perfectly adequate to chamber rounds in my CW45.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45CfcRIlDto

Regards,
Greg