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chewybaca67
07-13-2010, 15:23
Back in the day, the 80s, I was to young to own a hand gun and my shootin' experience was limited to .22 cal rifles, shot guns, and on occasion an AR-15 from crazy Vietnam Vet Uncle on the Rez.

Clearly, ammo tech. has sky rocketed and there are options galore out there, producing many ammo/caliber wars and such. But what ammo options were out there back in the day. Teach us some humility Ol Timey Experienced gurus. We seek an education in this matter.

awoodpd13
07-13-2010, 16:14
Here are the Factory handgun loads I used most in the 1980's:

45ACP: Win. 185gr. STHP
9x19: Win. 115gr. STHP or Fed. 124gr. HydraShok
38SPL.: Win. 158gr. LSWCHP
.357Mag.: Win. 145gr. STHP (STILL my SD choice for this caliber!)

CanyonMan
07-13-2010, 18:49
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orangevol
07-13-2010, 19:03
The most popular hollow point I used was Win Silver-tip.

DonGlock26
07-13-2010, 19:11
I carried 115gr 9mm Silvertips in my Gen 1 G-17 on duty at the close of the 1980's. Then we went to 147gr. 9mm Hydra-shoks in an issued P228 DAO. We later switched to 147gr 9mm Golddots (great round). We replaced the P228's with P220R's. We used RangerT 230 gr and now 230gr. HST +P.:cool:

chewybaca67
07-13-2010, 19:32
WOW ! Very cool question.

I have reloaded for everything for over 40+ years. I rarely bought Factory stuff living on a ranch 5 hours from a city, and the nearest podunk town ( a looooong ways off) really did not have to much at the general store. Even in the 80's, if I recall :fred: ha. When I did buy factory stuff, (and all I shot handgun wise) in the 80's was 44mag/44sp/45/LC/357mag/38sp, much the same as now haha.

I believe Winchester and Federal and Remington were my guys for 44mag/357mag (if I bought factory ammo.. rare) and that was for every caliber above, (except for the 45LC) I never bought one factory round for this caliber, every shot from the early 60's until now, in 45LC, has been 99% hand loaded by my elders, until I was old enough to do it myself.

Man, you are bringing up some pretty old memories for me. haha.

At hired hand wages on a working ranch $300.00 a month, I did not have the luxury of going to town for anything. That is why reloading , starting in late 68/ (missing a couple three years due to some uncle same circumstances) was so important to me. But I do remember, even further back than the 80's, every now and then, getting full house loads (when had the chance to go to a town) in remington and winchester. Hey yeah, also a few federal for the 357mag.


Wow am i getting old ! Thank God I STILL reload ! :supergrin:


Cool question and thread amigo, I like it man. ;)






CanyonMan

THem kind of stories is what I like about Gun Forums.

I have 5 rounds left of 158 grain Fed. Nyclads in 357 Mag. Hell, even when I bought them in the early 90s, they been sittin' on the shelf for quite awhile.

1canvas
07-13-2010, 20:06
the four that come to my mind was a 210grn. remington .44 mag round, outstanding on deer, discontinued. second was the winchester silvertip for everything. third was a speer 200grn. 45 hollowpoint [the flying ashtray] for my combat commander which was 100% reliable with them.
there was also the first hydra shock. it looked like a hollow base wadcutter turned around with a post in the center. i think it was pure lead because it would lead up a revolver so bad it would jam.

CanyonMan
07-13-2010, 20:36
THem kind of stories is what I like about Gun Forums.

I have 5 rounds left of 158 grain Fed. Nyclads in 357 Mag. Hell, even when I bought them in the early 90s, they been sittin' on the shelf for quite awhile.



I try ! I hear ya ! ;)


Bless ya amigo !





CanyonMan

Ak.Hiker
07-14-2010, 00:42
I still had some 190 grain Super Vel JHP for my 45 acp as well as the 200 grain Speer flying ashtray. For my 44 magnum carbine it was the 240 grain JSP Norma Special Carbine load and the 180 grain Super Vel JHP. I also at times carried the Remington 240 grain JSP in the 44 Magnum. In the 357 Magnum it was the Remington 158 grain lead SWC. I saved the best for last because I still like it. 230 grain FMJ ball for ther 45 acp.

Merkavaboy
07-14-2010, 03:33
In the earily 80's the old Super Vel could still be had.

Win Silvertips were popular in the available calibers. Then there was always the Fed Hydra-Shoks.

Revolver fans always had the 357Mag and the 125JHPs were the King if you could manage the recoil and stayed away from the fireball coming from the muzzle.

The Speer 200JHP "flying ashtrays" (coined by Dean Grennell IIRC) was popular in 45ACP.

And the fast 115JHP+P+ 9mm by Fed and Win were dropping BG's exceedingly well when used by the Illinois State PD and U.S. Border Patrol.

The 38Spl 158SWCHP+P was and still is a good SD load, and the light weight 110JHP+P+ was a popular LE round (often known as the Secret Service and Calif Highway Patrol round), but the USBP found it to be an erratic performer.

The 80's was also great for all those new Wiz-Bang exotic loads like Rhino, ThunderZap, Exploders (Velex/Velet), Omnishock, Triplex, Multiplex, copper HPs by Personal Protection Systems etc, etc. (They never were effective and always expensive, but great for cartridge collectors and ammo buffs like myself).

BlutoBlutarsky
07-14-2010, 05:33
Back then the Win Silver Tip was considered the best. I carried them in my .44mag and Fed SJHP's in my .357mag. Then I found the wonderful world of reloading.

chewybaca67
02-27-2015, 09:28
Bump'it on up.

SCmasterblaster
02-27-2015, 11:07
Back in the 80's you had the big three only - Winchester, R-P, and Federal.

oddjob
02-27-2015, 13:09
Glaser Safety round....I know someone who actually shot a suspect with one. Worked as advertised.

M 7
02-27-2015, 13:40
Bump'it on up.

Bump it up? More like resurrecting the long departed. Thread's like five years old. :dunno:

chewybaca67
02-27-2015, 13:50
Bump it up? More like resurrecting the long departed. Thread's like five years old. :dunno:

You responded didn't you? Bumping up old threads is for newer members of GT.

Bren
02-27-2015, 13:54
Back in the day, the 80s, I was to young to own a hand gun and my shootin' experience was limited to .22 cal rifles, shot guns, and on occasion an AR-15 from crazy Vietnam Vet Uncle on the Rez.

Clearly, ammo tech. has sky rocketed and there are options galore out there, producing many ammo/caliber wars and such. But what ammo options were out there back in the day. Teach us some humility Ol Timey Experienced gurus. We seek an education in this matter.

Ammo tech has not skyrocketed. It is different now, but not better. If you shoot 10mm, it is considerably worse.

In the 80's, I carried a .357 magnum with Remington 125 gr. semi-jacketed hollow points. There isn't much you can carry in a semi-auto that will equal that.

Then I carred a 9mm with Federal Hydra-Shok +P+. I'm not even sure they still make it.

Then I carried Remington 10mm 165 gr. JHP in the 80's/90's full power version.

Anybody who thinks "ammo tech. has sky rocketed" since the 80's, wasn't shooting in the 80's.

chewybaca67
02-27-2015, 13:58
Ammo tech has not skyrocketed. It is different now, but not better. If you shoot 10mm, it is considerably worse.

In the 80's, I carried a .357 magnum with Remington 125 gr. semi-jacketed hollow points. There isn't much you can carry in a semi-auto that will equal that.

Then I carred a 9mm with Federal Hydra-Shok +P+. I'm not even sure they still make it.

Then I carried Remington 10mm 165 gr. JHP in the 80's/90's full power version.

Anybody who thinks "ammo tech. has sky rocketed" since the 80's, wasn't shooting in the 80's.

I wasn't shooting in the 80s. Well, just .22 rf.

JMag
02-27-2015, 16:16
Speer's "Flying Ashtray" .45 ACP was happening in late 80s, IIRC.It worked well. Norma's hot 10mm was around, too.


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Glolt20-91
02-27-2015, 18:06
Wow, this is old, but the 357mag HPs from the late 60s are just as effective today. I carried Remington 158gr SJHPs for duty, now I handload them along with Winchester/Nosler versions and the 140gr Rem SJHP.

The introduction of the Remington 158gr SJHPs in the early 70s, 125s didn't hit the market til later in the 70s, were more of a fancy gas check bullet to reduce bore leading. The Lyman manual I used for handloading, 1970, also had load data for the Speer 146gr/160gr half jacket bullets in addition to the Rem 158gr JSP. Six cast bullet weight ranged from 121grs to 190grs, cool enough, it was a M27/5" that was used for testing.

Surprisingly enough, Herco powder put up the fastest numbers for the cast bullets, but there wasn't any Herco data for the jacketed bullets. 2400 powder put up respectable numbers across the board.

In later years Lyman established 2400/17.7grs as the factory equivalent load for 125gr JHPs. Several years ago on a bright Arizona February day, I tested Lyman's data thru a M686P 4". As bright as the day was, a large fireball could be seen from behind along with radial pressure waves.

The 357mag is still a premier force to be reckoned with after all these decades. :)

banger
02-27-2015, 19:38
When you see new ammo improvements,

Think...fishing lures.

Lures are designed to catch FISHERMEN, more often than fish.

If you read about the newest level of ammo improvement, you would think we fired marshmallows at our foes in the "old days".

While improvements have certainly been made, they are probably not as profound or significant as the maker would like us to believe.

Probably the biggest difference (as has been mentioned above), there are certainly more manufacturers, and likewise more imported ammo then in by gone years.

Whether this is progress or not, is a subject for debate.

Consider, for the past century or so, countless thousands of enemies of this Republic have met their fate...Shot with what...FMJ's.

Now if you read the gun rags, this lowly ammo is barely suitable to puncture a paper target, let alone protect oneself from the enemies of civilization and law.

cowboy1964
02-28-2015, 13:43
Back in the 80's you had the big three only - Winchester, R-P, and Federal.

Was CCI/Speer part of Federal at that time? Also Cor-Bon got going in the 80s.