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glockfan9
07-14-2010, 10:54
alright well i realized that all 1911s are'nt thousands of dollars and im excited.. now i love the Pro carry just as it is for about $750, I like the SA champion GI but for sure needs grips and beavertail, hammer, maybe trigger. same thing with the RIA compact except its much cheaper.
- should I wait to just get a kimber
- should I get the SA and swap grips for now and slowly do the rest as time goes on?
- should I get the RIA compact for $350 and get as many mods done now as possible.
-Ive also been reading about a "tactical" version of the RIA? anyone have info on that? and do they make a 4' version?

Tactical black
07-14-2010, 11:21
-Ive also been reading about a "tactical" version of the RIA? anyone have info on that? and do they make a 4' version?


The tactical seems to be pretty nice for the money all tough they don't have a four foot version. :tongueout::supergrin:

They only make that in a 5" gun.

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 11:44
lol ya either 4ft or 4in. whatever is easier to conceal :p
- but that sucks, im hesitant on 4" so no way im going full size.

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 11:52
- supposedly there is an RIA compact tactical..
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AC-RI1911-CS.aspx

brzusa.1911
07-14-2010, 12:09
I personally stay away from Kimbers, they are nice guns but I personally don't like the fpb. SA will give you lifetime warranty, excellent customer service (based on other's reviews) and a series 70 1911. I have no experience with RIA but some seem pleased with them.

Tactical black
07-14-2010, 13:00
- supposedly there is an RIA compact tactical..
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AC-RI1911-CS.aspx

If you're fine with a 3.5" barrel that one would probably work. I'm pretty tall and I find the 5" guns petty easy to conceal and they tend to be more reliable then the micro guns.

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 13:07
well i wasnt planning on going anything smaller than 4" but it seems like most companies don't have problems with the smaller. even the kimber ultra series is fine now for the most part. but the 3.5 is literally a halfway point. but i cant find a lot of info on RIA. seems like everyone that has one loves it but not many people have them.
-would it be a good choice for my first 1911?
- also noticed its parkerized?? can that be refinished later on?

Tactical black
07-14-2010, 13:14
well i wasnt planning on going anything smaller than 4" but it seems like most companies don't have problems with the smaller. even the kimber ultra series is fine now for the most part. but the 3.5 is literally a halfway point. but i cant find a lot of info on RIA. seems like everyone that has one loves it but not many people have them.
-would it be a good choice for my first 1911?
- also noticed its parkerized?? can that be refinished later on?

You can always have it refinished later I don't own any micro guns I think A lot of people have had good success with them but they tend to be the ones that have problems the most if I ever do get a micro 1911 I think it will be a EMP. I had a Kimber Pro for a while it was a 100% reliable. As for a first 1911 I would go with a 4" or a 5" gun something with a full size frame at least they are much easier to shoot and get use to imo so for a first that's what I would stick with.

jrs93accord
07-14-2010, 13:43
well i wasnt planning on going anything smaller than 4" but it seems like most companies don't have problems with the smaller. even the kimber ultra series is fine now for the most part. but the 3.5 is literally a halfway point. but i cant find a lot of info on RIA. seems like everyone that has one loves it but not many people have them.
-would it be a good choice for my first 1911?
- also noticed its parkerized?? can that be refinished later on?

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/DSC00703.jpg
(RIA 1911-A1 Compact, RIA 1911-A1, RIA 1911-A1 Tactical)

There are many RIA owners out there. I am a multiple RIA owner myself. RIAs are fantastic 1911s for the money. As for being "refinished", you can have anything done to them that you can do to any other 1911.

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 13:58
^ sweet thanks for your input, just out of curiousity how do you like the compact? any issues? also whats the wieght on it? i cant find much info

jrs93accord
07-14-2010, 14:24
^ sweet thanks for your input, just out of curiousity how do you like the compact? any issues? also whats the wieght on it? i cant find much info

The Compact weighs about 2 lbs. I have only shot my Compact a couple times, so I cannot give a really good report from myself. The couple times that I have shot it, I was very pleased with the experience. It is a rock-solid pistol. My little brother has a Compact as well and he shoots the heck out of it. As a matter of fact, he owns two RIAs. I would recommend the RIA Compact to anyone.

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 14:43
so it wouldnt be much heavier if any than a kimber pro carry. thats about 30oz empty and im comfortable with that.
- im not a huge fan of the prkerized finish but i can always get it refinished.. however much that costs???
- seems like an all around great choice though. i dont see any point in spending $800 on a kimber for my first 1911 if i can get this and mod it as I please.

Hokie1911
07-14-2010, 14:51
Honestly, from what you're saying in your posts....I would jump all over the RIA. Inexpensive to get into and a really good value for the price. Get a feel for the platform. I don't know how much I would invest in modding a RIA, but just enjoy it and put money away for something a little nicer down the road.

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 14:56
^ well honestly the only thing i would do to the RIA would be grips, and maybe sights ( depending on what it comes with) and down the road maybe a refinish because i dont like the parkerized too much.

Hokie1911
07-14-2010, 15:15
^ well honestly the only thing i would do to the RIA would be grips, and maybe sights ( depending on what it comes with) and down the road maybe a refinish because i dont like the parkerized too much.

Have you priced out those mods? Not trying to talk you out of it by any means. It's your pistola, do what you want with it.

Grips... $30-130+ depending on what you want.
Sights...$100+ and install costs possibly
Refinish...Several hundred+ depending on what you go with.

Again....once you start adding that stuff onto a $450 RIA, pretty quickly your are in a price bracket that gets you a much nicer gun up front.

jrs93accord
07-14-2010, 15:18
^ well honestly the only thing i would do to the RIA would be grips, and maybe sights ( depending on what it comes with) and down the road maybe a refinish because i dont like the parkerized too much.

All I have done to my RIAs is to change the grips. That is it. The sights work just fine.

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 15:27
well all i want for grips are the black rubber ones like on the pro carry and im not really worried about sights too much, and refinish would be way down the line after its worn for a while.
- i plan on getting the compact cs or csp ( tactical) and it has everything i want on it.

bac1023
07-14-2010, 15:29
All I have done to my RIAs is to change the grips. That is it. The sights work just fine.

The small sights don't bother me either. :)

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 15:51
^ heyy its Bac.
-soo would you approve of a RIA compact tac for my first 1911?
- also should add that my buddy wants to buy my g19 for $450 so that pays for the RIA.

glock2740
07-14-2010, 16:20
I have several Kimber Pro models and a RIA Compact. The RIA is hard to beat for the money, but it needs better sights IMO. The Kimbers have everything you need, especially if you get one with night sights. And the kimber has better fit and finish and looks better IMO also. You won't go wrong with either though.

bac1023
07-14-2010, 16:24
^ heyy its Bac.
-soo would you approve of a RIA compact tac for my first 1911?
- also should add that my buddy wants to buy my g19 for $450 so that pays for the RIA.

I only buy 1911s with full size frames. However, I do like RIA quite a bit and have heard great things about the compact model. :)

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 16:36
Hmmm well sounds like it might be a win. For my first 1911 it seems like i cant beat it. Would it be a good decision to pretty much trade a g19 for the compact?

jrs93accord
07-14-2010, 16:40
Hmmm well sounds like it might be a win. For my first 1911 it seems like i cant beat it. Would it be a good decision to pretty much trade a g19 for the compact?

If your buddy wants to buy the G19 for $450, I would go that route. It is unlikely that you would get that much on trade.

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 16:44
Ya its only 600rds used

Ol'Slabsides
07-14-2010, 16:49
The one gun I still get all emotional over (having sold) is the Kimber Pro Carry HD II. Sold it to my best friend, who lets me know from time to time that he's never gonna sell it back to me, lol. Bought the HD version specifically to bobtail it:

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj170/timothyefleming/IMG_1479.jpg

Hokie1911
07-14-2010, 17:02
If your buddy wants to buy the G19 for $450, I would go that route. It is unlikely that you would get that much on trade.

I would do that deal in a heartbeat too. Keep in mind your ammo costs on the RIA will be double too.

Hokie1911
07-14-2010, 17:04
The one gun I still get all emotional over (having sold) is the Kimber Pro Carry HD II. Sold it to my best friend, who lets me know from time to time that he's never gonna sell it back to me, lol. Bought the HD version specifically to bobtail it:

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj170/timothyefleming/IMG_1479.jpg

Nice! Looks like a KBOB. :rofl:

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 17:07
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AC-RI1911-CS.aspx

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 17:11
I would do that deal in a heartbeat too. Keep in mind your ammo costs on the RIA will be double too.

Well at walmart wwb 100rd is $24 and wwb .45 is $31 not too bad

Hokie1911
07-14-2010, 17:21
Well at walmart wwb 100rd is $24 and wwb .45 is $31 not too bad

Ahhh, I shoot 9mm Federal FMJ for like $9/50.

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 17:40
lol nice ya i can never find those.
- does anybody know if the RIA has any issues with HP defense ammo? i havent heard anything bad elsewhere.

Hokie1911
07-14-2010, 17:44
lol nice ya i can never find those.
- does anybody know if the RIA has any issues with HP defense ammo? i havent heard anything bad elsewhere.

My WM always has TONS of Federal and WWB 9mm & .40, but never .45. I just finally got WWB .45 there for the first time in a year. They ONLY stocked 6 boxes. Let me buy 2.

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 17:49
thats sweet.
- hey anyone kno what the barrel is made out of on the RIA. i cant find it?

bac1023
07-14-2010, 18:43
The one gun I still get all emotional over (having sold) is the Kimber Pro Carry HD II. Sold it to my best friend, who lets me know from time to time that he's never gonna sell it back to me, lol. Bought the HD version specifically to bobtail it:

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj170/timothyefleming/IMG_1479.jpg

That was nice.

Quack
07-14-2010, 18:55
if yo uare on a budget, get the RIA Tactical.

also look at the Citadel, which is the same as the RIA Tactical.
here's my friends after it's second outing, which was a pistol class that we did in the rain and put 500rds through it that day. with no malfunctions.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/LMI%20Fighting%20Pistol%201/DSC_2068.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/LMI%20Fighting%20Pistol%201/DSC_2071.jpg

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 19:40
Is that citadel stock? Trigger and everything?

jrs93accord
07-14-2010, 19:46
if yo uare on a budget, get the RIA Tactical.

also look at the Citadel, which is the same as the RIA Tactical.
here's my friends after it's second outing, which was a pistol class that we did in the rain and put 500rds through it that day. with no malfunctions.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/LMI%20Fighting%20Pistol%201/DSC_2068.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/LMI%20Fighting%20Pistol%201/DSC_2071.jpg

I bought one of these a few months ago. Nicely outfitted pistol for the money. Like you said, it is essentially a RIA Tactical with a different name on it.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/jamesrea10/004-2.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/jamesrea10/005-2.jpg

Quack
07-14-2010, 19:48
stock except the trigger, swapped the stocker out for one of my Loaded triggers.
The stock trigger bow was parkerized and caused binding.
by just changing the trigger, it went form 4.5# down to 2.5#.
i adjusted the springs to bring it up to ~4#

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 20:05
how hard is it to do that kinda stuff? to change grips and trigger? and how much is a trigger?
- and is that barrel polished?
-what the RIA barrel made out of anyways

Quack
07-14-2010, 20:08
how hard is it to do that kinda stuff? to change grips and trigger? and how much is a trigger?
- and is that barrel polished?
-what the RIA barrel made out of anyways

not hard, if you are slightly mechanically inclined. trigger was a take off of my loaded.

it wasn't polished on my friends

it's made of Jello :rofl:

samuse
07-14-2010, 20:11
Whatever you do, keep your Glock 19. 1911s are cool and all, but honestly, a cheap ass officer is not likely to be something I'd trust my life with. If you just want something to tinker with as a little hobby, cheap 1911s are fine. If you want something you can trust for those bumps in the night, you need somethin' solid. I love 1911s and have had a bunch of 'em, from Para to Les Baer, I'm having a retro built on a Les Baer right now, but when I need a gun for a serious situation, I'll always grab a Glock or a S&W or Ruger revolver.

bac1023
07-14-2010, 20:19
not hard, if you are slightly mechanically inclined. trigger was a take off of my loaded.

it wasn't polished on my friends

it's made of Jello :rofl:

:rofl:

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 20:26
Whatever you do, keep your Glock 19. 1911s are cool and all, but honestly, a cheap ass officer is not likely to be something I'd trust my life with. If you just want something to tinker with as a little hobby, cheap 1911s are fine. If you want something you can trust for those bumps in the night, you need somethin' solid. I love 1911s and have had a bunch of 'em, from Para to Les Baer, I'm having a retro built on a Les Baer right now, but when I need a gun for a serious situation, I'll always grab a Glock or a S&W or Ruger revolver.
:faint:????

bac1023
07-14-2010, 21:51
Whatever you do, keep your Glock 19. 1911s are cool and all, but honestly, a cheap ass officer is not likely to be something I'd trust my life with. If you just want something to tinker with as a little hobby, cheap 1911s are fine. If you want something you can trust for those bumps in the night, you need somethin' solid. I love 1911s and have had a bunch of 'em, from Para to Les Baer, I'm having a retro built on a Les Baer right now, but when I need a gun for a serious situation, I'll always grab a Glock or a S&W or Ruger revolver.

I disagree.

I don't buy officers models, but 1911s today are just as reliable as anything on the market.

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 22:03
ugghhh idk what to do guys.. i can potentially sell the glock tomorrow for $450 but i dont wanna make a bad decision..

Hokie1911
07-14-2010, 22:14
ugghhh idk what to do guys.. i can potentially sell the glock tomorrow for $450 but i dont wanna make a bad decision..

Selling a used Glock for $450 is a score my friend. Do it if you have someone willing. Get the RIA and see how you like the platform. If not, you will easily be able to sell that RIA to one of the crackheads on here and you can get a NEW Glock19 (Gen3 or 4) for $450 out the door through GSSF if you want to go back.

samuse
07-14-2010, 22:17
I disagree.

I don't buy officers models, but 1911s today are just as reliable as anything on the market.

So you really think that a bottom of the barrel, Phillipine 1911 is as likely to be as reliable as a Glock 19. Even for an inexperienced shooter? Straight out of the box? With the stock mags and any ammo, from Russian steel cased fmj to Winchester Ranger?

bac1023
07-14-2010, 22:23
So you really think that a bottom of the barrel, Phillipine 1911 is as likely to be as reliable as a Glock 19. Even for an inexperienced shooter? Straight out of the box? With the stock mags and any ammo, from Russian steel cased fmj to Winchester Ranger?

They're good quality guns, not bottom of the barrel anything. You call them "cheap ass", but they aren't as cheap ass as your G19.

I can't comment on the compact, but my full size RIA is has been every bit as reliable as my Glocks.

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 22:26
Selling a used Glock for $450 is a score my friend. Do it if you have someone willing. Get the RIA and see how you like the platform. If not, you will easily be able to sell that RIA to one of the crackheads on here and you can get a NEW Glock19 (Gen3 or 4) for $450 out the door through GSSF if you want to go back.
ok well i dont wanna buy something and then not like it and have to get something else. im hesitant on the RIA because they are not very popular and well known and not very pretty, that finish is a bigg turn off. i just dont know what to do :dunno:

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 22:28
bac- i dont mean to start a glock vs 1911 battle..

bac1023
07-14-2010, 22:28
ok well i dont wanna buy something and then not like it and have to get something else. im hesitant on the RIA because they are not very popular and well known and not very pretty, that finish is a bigg turn off. i just dont know what to do :dunno:

They aren't popular?

Armscor sells a ton of RIA 1911s.

Hokie1911
07-14-2010, 22:28
ok well i dont wanna buy something and then not like it and have to get something else. im hesitant on the RIA because they are not very popular and well known and not very pretty, that finish is a bigg turn off. i just dont know what to do :dunno:

And you thought a pignose RTF2 with gills was "pretty"? :whistling:

bac1023
07-14-2010, 22:30
And you thought a pignose RTF2 with gills was "pretty"? :whistling:

Good point

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 22:31
lol you guys are killin me.
-and my gills and barrel are the only thing i think is pretty.
- bac are there any other options in that price range that may serve better?

bac1023
07-14-2010, 22:34
- bac are there any other options in that price range that may serve better?

Are you dead set on a compact?

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 22:38
compact being 3" no? but i would say no to anything over 4". i think full size is just too much

bac1023
07-14-2010, 22:39
compact being 3" no? but i would say no to anything over 4". i think full size is just too much

I was actually referring to the frame.

A commander has a 4.25" barrel on a full size frame. :)

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 22:42
hmm is the kimber pro carry considered a full size frame? cuz im comfortable with that..

Hokie1911
07-14-2010, 22:48
compact being 3" no? but i would say no to anything over 4". i think full size is just too much

4" or Commander (4.25") are more or less the same. Full size frame, shorter slide.

samuse
07-14-2010, 22:53
They're good quality guns, not bottom of the barrel anything. You call them "cheap ass", but they aren't as cheap ass as your G19.

I can't comment on the compact, but my full size RIA is has been every bit as reliable as my Glocks.

I'm sure that your RIA has been as reliable as your Glocks, but how much have you actually shot each one of them and under what conditions? The OP wants to get into 1911s and that's a good thing, it'll stimulate the economy, but I don't think it would be wise for him to sell a pistol that he already owns and has proven reliable, to purchase an "entry level" 1911. The grass is always greener and 1911s look better, feel better, have a better trigger, and are considered to be classier than a Glock, but bottom line, dollar for dollar, 9.5 times out of 10, a Glock will get more lead downrange with less problems than a 1911.

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 22:53
hookie-any specific makes and models? $500 range? i would rather new.
- if not something good then tell me the truth, if nows not the time be honest.

Hokie1911
07-14-2010, 23:02
I bought one of these a few months ago. Nicely outfitted pistol for the money. Like you said, it is essentially a RIA Tactical with a different name on it.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/jamesrea10/004-2.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/jamesrea10/005-2.jpg

Under $5hundy this would be where I'd put my money if you twisted my arm. But then again, I'd offload the G19, save for another couple of months and get a ProCarry2, but that's just me.

glockfan9
07-14-2010, 23:13
alright well thats a possibility.. my birthday is in 3 weeks so im hoping my buddy can hang on for a little and keep his $450 offer and if i get some money for BDay ill get PC2

BayouGlocker
07-15-2010, 01:10
Maybe someone should merge the two threads? :wavey:

Anyways, the thing that turns me on to the Kimber Pro Carry is the alloy frame. Carrying a polymer framed handgun, I'm pretty spoiled compared to those who carry steel framed full size hand guns.

For a gun you carry on your belt all day every day (except when in class and other "illegal venues") weight matters.

jrs93accord
07-15-2010, 01:54
ok well i dont wanna buy something and then not like it and have to get something else. im hesitant on the RIA because they are not very popular and well known and not very pretty, that finish is a bigg turn off. i just dont know what to do :dunno:

After all of the discussion that has been presented here, you think that the RIAs are not popular. Additionally, there is nothing wrong with their finish. It is very durable. My advice, keep your G19 and forget about buying a 1911.

bac1023
07-15-2010, 05:41
I'm sure that your RIA has been as reliable as your Glocks, but how much have you actually shot each one of them and under what conditions? The OP wants to get into 1911s and that's a good thing, it'll stimulate the economy, but I don't think it would be wise for him to sell a pistol that he already owns and has proven reliable, to purchase an "entry level" 1911. The grass is always greener and 1911s look better, feel better, have a better trigger, and are considered to be classier than a Glock, but bottom line, dollar for dollar, 9.5 times out of 10, a Glock will get more lead downrange with less problems than a 1911.

These "conditions" are ridiculously overblown on this forum. Not everyone is open carrying in a dust storm or wading through swamps.

I'm used to carrying a 1911, so I feel more comfortable with it.

Hokie1911
07-15-2010, 07:46
These "conditions" are ridiculously overblown on this forum. Not everyone is open carrying in a dust storm or wading through swamps.

I'm used to carrying a 1911, so I feel more comfortable with it.

I'm always amused by these so-called torture tests. There was a thread a while back in the HK forum about a dude that buried his P30 in a bucket of sand and then went on a rant about how much it sucked when it misfired. What did he expect?

:dunno:

BayouGlocker
07-15-2010, 07:57
At the end of the day, the decision we make to purchase something is based on whether or not we think we want it. If I can find a Kimber Pro Carry II within my price range, I think I'm leaning towards it because it will be slightly lighter than a steel framed 1911, and will not "need" the after market grip safety, extended thumb safety, larger sights, trigger, and the list goes on....

Eventually, I still want to build a SA GI, but on my budget the Kimber seems to fufill the stuff I'd want in an every day carry gun. Plus, the finish on them is pretty compared to a "drab" parkerized gun.

Figure out what you want, and figure out which handgun most closely matches it. I've got a buyer for my Glock 31, to help me finance my 1911 craving. The 31 is a great handgun, but I've got my 19 for EDC, .357 ammo is expensive, and I REALLY want a 1911. :supergrin:

But, I would not sell my G 19 to get one. If you want to transition to a 1911, shoot one BEFORE selling your Glock. You wont regret trying it out beforehand.

chakup
07-15-2010, 08:11
I'm a die hard Springfield 1911 fan, but I like the RIA's. They really are good little guns for the $$.

You have to decide what you want/need. You can modify any 1911, just $$$. You can find used Springfield Loadeds for close to your price if you shop around. Full lifetime warranty, etc. In 1911's you can always add a couple hundred to your budget for more features, but eventually your $500 gun is now $2K.

bac1023
07-15-2010, 08:21
I'm always amused by these so-called torture tests. There was a thread a while back in the HK forum about a dude that buried his P30 in a bucket of sand and then went on a rant about how much it sucked when it misfired. What did he expect?

:dunno:

What a dope. :rofl:

:brickwall:

Hokie1911
07-15-2010, 08:36
Hahahaha. Found the YouTube link. This tool is money. He's got a $900 HK P30, easily one of the best polymer pistols available....and he's got a $20 laser mounted on it, and this knob is burying it in sand. Dumbass.

I especially like his tacticool gloves.....while wearing flipflops. Always a good look. :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uORhTcKe8Ms

bac1023
07-15-2010, 08:58
Hahahaha. Found the YouTube link. This tool is money. He's got a $900 HK P30, easily one of the best polymer pistols available....and he's got a $20 laser mounted on it, and this knob is burying it in sand. Dumbass.

I especially like his tacticool gloves.....while wearing flipflops. Always a good look. :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uORhTcKe8Ms

Yep, its possibly the best polymer on the market today.

What an idiot. :upeyes:

Hokie1911
07-15-2010, 09:02
Yep, its possibly the best polymer on the market today.

What an idiot. :upeyes:

No argument here. If (when) I get another polymer pistola... it will be a 9mm P30S, well....if they ever come out. :whistling:

bac1023
07-15-2010, 09:10
bac- i dont mean to start a glock vs 1911 battle..

No big deal my friend :)

If you don't feel comfortable selling your Glock, keep it. You can always get a 1911 down the road.

I own Glocks myself and do like them. I just don't buy into all their virtues. I feel they're average as far as polymers go and I'm not a huge polymer fan to begin with.

bac1023
07-15-2010, 09:10
No argument here. If (when) I get another polymer pistola... it will be a 9mm P30S, well....if they ever come out. :whistling:

I was actually thinking of the P30L myself. :)

samuse
07-15-2010, 09:19
At the end of the day, the decision we make to purchase something is based on whether or not we think we want it.Figure out what you want, and figure out which handgun most closely matches it.
but I've got my 19 for EDC,:supergrin:

But, I would not sell my G 19 to get one. If you want to transition to a 1911, shoot one BEFORE selling your Glock. You wont regret trying it out beforehand.

This is what I was gettin' at. I'm not trying to open up the Glock vs. 1911 debate either, but the OP is debating selling a Glock to fund a 1911. I have carried and shot Glocks and 1911s in wet, humid and dusty conditions all over Texas and had good results with both, doing whatever is necessary to to keep 'em in good working order.

Hokie1911
07-15-2010, 09:47
I was actually thinking of the P30L myself. :)

I like the P30S for Condition1. :thumbsup:

I almost got a .40 P30S instead of the Kimber. Came close. Wanted a 9mm but got tired of waiting for it to be released.

glockfan9
07-15-2010, 10:56
alright guys well i kno im just arguing with myself now. i love my g19 but i think ist ugly, its bulky and not something i would want to carry. i probably should have just got the PCII in the first place but i bought into all the glock hype and went with that. i realized that my hands need a full size grip and finger notches dont work well with me. I have big fingers and on the 19 they just sit ontop of the ridges instead of in the grooves. i didnt think of this before.
- I would sell the glock to buy a kimber in a heartbeat but im iffy on selling it to buy a basic GI setup 1911. ya the springfield and RIA are great guns but the PCII is amazing, and beautiful looking. so i feel like if i sold the glock to buy a $500 1911 then i would be settling for what i really want.
- im going to my local shop today to see what the owner can do on a PCII and get his opinion on the matter.
- I really appreciate all the help and input you guys have contributed. so thankyou

Hokie1911
07-15-2010, 11:24
Good luck. Nothing wrong with a Glock19. It's a great value for what it is. Same thing with a $500 1911, just a matter of fit and finish vs more expensive < $1k 1911s. Best price you're probably going to see on a new PC2 is going to be $750ish.

bac1023
07-15-2010, 12:05
Good luck. Nothing wrong with a Glock19. It's a great value for what it is. Same thing with a $500 1911, just a matter of fit and finish vs more expensive < $1k 1911s. Best price you're probably going to see on a new PC2 is going to be $750ish.

:agree:

glockfan9
07-15-2010, 14:28
Im gettin the RIA :)
- drove to the other side of town to hold one and i love it. they didnt have the tactical in stock but my local dealer can have one in a week. $550 OTD after tax and everything. thats the tactical one.
- buddy is buying G19 tonight for $475 with box,papers, cheap little cleaning kit and 16 gold dots. :)
- the parkerized finish is actually really nice, and the wood grips arent too bad at all. im super excited and cant thank you guys enough for your help ;)

bac1023
07-15-2010, 14:50
Congrats! :cool:

Looking forward to pics. :)

glockfan9
07-15-2010, 14:53
thanks! i really hope i made the right decision. :p you 1911 guys are pretty convincing though lol
- now i gotta find grips, are they standard sized 1911 grips? will any fit?

bac1023
07-15-2010, 15:07
thanks! i really hope i made the right decision. :p you 1911 guys are pretty convincing though lol
- now i gotta find grips, are they standard sized 1911 grips? will any fit?

If you got the full size tactical, then yes. :)

jrs93accord
07-15-2010, 15:31
thanks! i really hope i made the right decision. :p you 1911 guys are pretty convincing though lol
- now i gotta find grips, are they standard sized 1911 grips? will any fit?

If you are getting the Compact Tactical, then you will need "Officer" model grips. For full-size Tactical model, any "Government" model grips will fit. You will enjoy the RIA. Trust us. :supergrin:

flynlead
07-15-2010, 16:04
congrats, you got a good deal on your glock and if you decide you want another one you will probably find one cheaper than what you sold yours for.

Hokie1911
07-15-2010, 16:30
congrats, you got a good deal on your glock and if you decide you want another one you will probably find one cheaper than what you sold yours for.

Exactly. I'd collect that $475 as fast as possible. :whistling:

glockfan9
07-15-2010, 16:34
Exactly. I'd collect that $475 as fast as possible. :whistling:
lol thats what im doing.
- these are the grips I had in mind? http://www.kimberamerica.com/shop/product.php?xProd=136&xSec=18
-im ordering the compact tac.

Hokie1911
07-15-2010, 16:38
lol thats what im doing.
- these are the grips I had in mind? http://www.kimberamerica.com/shop/product.php?xProd=136&xSec=18
-im ordering the compact tac.

I like the stock Kimber rubber grips. Plenty grippy.

jrs93accord
07-15-2010, 16:57
lol thats what im doing.
- these are the grips I had in mind? http://www.kimberamerica.com/shop/product.php?xProd=136&xSec=18
-im ordering the compact tac.

Those are the same Kimber grips I have on my full-size Tactical. You will like them.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/DSC00703.jpg

glockfan9
07-15-2010, 17:03
Those are the same Kimber grips I have on my full-size Tactical. You will like them.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/DSC00703.jpg

ya that looks clean. i like those, is the link I posted the correct size?
-do stock ones just unscrew and i screw on the new ones?
- just outta curiousity how much is a new trigger? idk what to look for but im interested in a skelationized silver one.

Hokie1911
07-15-2010, 17:24
ya that looks clean. i like those, is the link I posted the correct size?
-do stock ones just unscrew and i screw on the new ones?
- just outta curiousity how much is a new trigger? idk what to look for but im interested in a skelationized silver one.

Grip screws...depends on the gun. Most are hex screws.

http://www.brownells.com/
http://www.topgunsupply.com/

glockfan9
07-15-2010, 17:32
cool thanks.. guess i should get the gun first :p

jrs93accord
07-15-2010, 18:14
ya that looks clean. i like those, is the link I posted the correct size?
-do stock ones just unscrew and i screw on the new ones?
- just outta curiousity how much is a new trigger? idk what to look for but im interested in a skelationized silver one.

The link you posted is for the correct size.

BayouGlocker
07-15-2010, 18:41
Congrats bro. In the future, it might be a good idea to check out the full sized Glocks. Some people think the finger grooves fit their hands better than the compact and subs.

I stopped by Clarks Custom Guns and talked to the people there. They are the closest Kimber dealers to my area. They can get me a new PCII for $815 (dunno what it will be OTD, prolly should have asked...), but Kimber says there is a 4 to 6 month wait!!! But, I could make the $100 deposit, and spend the next couple months getting my finances together....

I can't find a dealer for a Springfield Loaded... :(

I did look at a mini RIA, and it feels like it's well worth the money... but for my needs I want a 4-4.5" barrel. The SA Champion GI would be neat, but I know that I'd end up spending a lot more to make it into what I think I want. I'd save money getting what I guess I'd call a "factory-custom" gun.

The last option would be to order online, and have it shipped through a local FFL? I simply don't know the right way to go about doing this, nor where I could find the gun models I'd like. Advice?

(BTW, the saving money for 4 months to get the PCII, actually seems like a smart idea to me.... But that might be because I've really liked the Kimber's I've seen lately.)

Hokie1911
07-15-2010, 19:08
Check GB. You can get them for way less than $815+tax locally...even with shipping and FFL.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=179391927
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=178968514
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=178303419

glockfan9
07-15-2010, 19:12
The last option would be to order online, and have it shipped through a local FFL? I simply don't know the right way to go about doing this, nor where I could find the gun models I'd like. Advice?

(BTW, the saving money for 4 months to get the PCII, actually seems like a smart idea to me.... But that might be because I've really liked the Kimber's I've seen lately.)
- not quite sure about how to do the shipping but cant be too hard and i imagine any FL dealer would have a quick answer. as far as i know its someting like shipping costs and a $30ish transfer fee.
- I considered saving for a few months to buy the kimber but it just didnt make sense. It is my first 1911 and there was no reason to shoot straight to the top. not that its a bad thing but i much rather learn a new style and face what could possibly happen as dropping it, scratching it on a $500 gun that does everything a kimber will do. sure it may not be as pretty stock but if i wanted it to it could be close.

Hokie1911
07-15-2010, 19:19
- not quite sure about how to do the shipping but cant be too hard

Gunbroker works like eBay more or less. Shipping will be listed on the auction by the seller. Keep an eye on the price, as typically sellers add 3% for credit cards. Prices generally reflect cash price, which is fine if you want to send a MO or check. No big deal. Same thing with an online dealer like Buds or TopGunSupply. Doesn't really matter where you buy online. Honestly, if you really want a Kimber PC, check out the stainless PC2 for $800 at JetGuns. GREAT deal.

Look up a local FFL for you here....
http://www.gunbroker.com/FFL/DealerNetwork.aspx

FFL transfer fees are usually $20-30. So you can get a NIB pistola for much less (usually) online, and pay $50-60 shipping/FFL and still come out ahead. Or try haggling with a local dealer. YMMV on that.

Hokie1911
07-15-2010, 19:29
I stopped by Clarks Custom Guns and talked to the people there. They are the closest Kimber dealers to my area. They can get me a new PCII for $815 (dunno what it will be OTD, prolly should have asked...), but Kimber says there is a 4 to 6 month wait!!! But, I could make the $100 deposit, and spend the next couple months getting my finances together....



Seriously?

glockfan9
07-15-2010, 19:32
^ ya i heard the same thing too?? my local shooting range had em on sale for $730 and said thats all they got and my local shop said its gunna be a few month wait?? thought that was wierd.

Hokie1911
07-15-2010, 19:36
You can EASILY find a standard ProCarry2 on Gunbroker for $750-800 and stainless for $800-850. They are on there all the time.

BayouGlocker
07-15-2010, 22:34
:shocked: Wow...! A stainless PCII for $800. And I was getting mentally prepared to spend more than that on a blued model... Now I've got to hurry up and get my Glock 31 sold to help me finance it. I like the blued, but love SS.

And yes, a 4-6 month wait is what Kimber told Clarks Custom Guns. But, the lady who looked up the price for me said she'd ordered a SS PCII wit night sights for a guy, and it showed up after only 2 months.

glockfan9
07-18-2010, 22:59
- so i couldnt get the money last week as planned
- but I got it tonight, sad to see the glock go but then i remember that ive joined the dark side and can't look back lol
- goin in first thing in the morning to order my RIA tactical, should be here by the end of the week. soo excited :)

BayouGlocker
07-18-2010, 23:15
http://www.jetguns.com/product_info.php?products_id=284

Last chance to change your mind. 4" SA Champion Operator with night sights and a rail.

I've decided I want the PCII in stainless because I like stainless.... And it has the alloy frame. Plus, Bac carries Kimber. :whistling:

thecableguy
07-18-2010, 23:26
http://www.jetguns.com/product_info.php?products_id=284

Last chance to change your mind. 4" SA Champion Operator with night sights and a rail.

I've decided I want the PCII in stainless because I like stainless.... And it has the alloy frame. Plus, Bac carries Kimber. :whistling:

Thats probably the only gun that I would sell my SA loaded 9mm for. I don't know why but the gun does it for me.:supergrin:

glockfan9
07-18-2010, 23:35
http://www.jetguns.com/product_info.php?products_id=284

Last chance to change your mind. 4" SA Champion Operator with night sights and a rail.

I've decided I want the PCII in stainless because I like stainless.... And it has the alloy frame. Plus, Bac carries Kimber. :whistling:

lol if i was gunna spend that money id get a PCII and have no problem. the RIA is only $550 OTD

glockfan9
07-22-2010, 09:46
My ria should be ready for pickup tomorrow :) super excited. Whats some cheap .45 range ammo? Are there any i shouldnt shoot at all ( rrmember my glock would eat anything lol)

Quack
07-22-2010, 09:47
the cheapest that i bought was Blazer $13.99/50rds

glockfan9
07-22-2010, 10:13
Thats not too bad at all. So its only a few bucks more per box. Even the remington 9mm was like $13/50. Is there anything i should never shoot throigh it?

Trey83
07-22-2010, 10:38
Thats not too bad at all. So its only a few bucks more per box. Even the remington 9mm was like $13/50. Is there anything i should never shoot throigh it?

Congrats on the new pistola.

Walmart has the cheapest ammo if they have any. Mine hasn't had ANY .45 ACP for a very long time. The local Wally World by my friends house (an hour north) always has it. I just ordered 500 rounds through Georgia Arms and have had great luck with them. At 17.50/50 they are a great value http://georgia-arms.com/45acp.aspx .

glockfan9
07-22-2010, 10:50
Cool thanks! Ill prob run by walmart today abd check some prices

glockfan9
07-23-2010, 20:02
:( im sad lol. Gun wasnt delivered today... Now i gotta wait till money. That also means i have time to find some grips :)

g36user
07-23-2010, 21:07
That's what's called a "long-weekend" in the 1911 world.

Congrats on your choice. Looking forward to a report.

g

glockfan9
07-23-2010, 21:51
Lol it sucks but will for sure have pics and a report. Might even go out and put a hundred or two through it. Really wanna get grips first though. Dont know exactly i need and what screws though..

samuse
07-25-2010, 10:10
The screws that are on it will work. I prefer flathead screws. Look good and you can use a case rim to turn 'em in a pinch. If you want thin grips, you have to change bushings. Do some research on that before you strip out your frame.

glockfan9
07-25-2010, 12:31
ya i will prob just grab some allen key screws for looks, couldnt find any kimber grips yesterday, the rubber kimber grips arent slim grips right? just want to make sure :dunno:
- but the gun should finally be here tomorrow, supposed to be here by friday but didnt make it, if its not there tomorrow im not gunna be happy :steamed:
-then off to find grips, i also cant figure out how to field strip it, i kno the kimbers use that little (paperclip like) tool but idk what i will do?

samuse
07-26-2010, 22:15
Yeah, the Kimber rubber grips will work. You got an officer size? If so, I don't know what you'll need for takedown, I only have experience with the G.I. setup in a 5". Hope it comes in, I'm ready for a RANGE REPORT ALREADY!!:rofl:

glockfan9
07-26-2010, 22:47
Lol ya it came today. I made a thread about ria compact. I actually just broke it down with no problem. I just lined up the slide lock and pulled it out. Then took spring assembly out with ease. I really want to polish the rest of the barrel though