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drc767
07-14-2010, 11:35
I have been exchanging ideas with Alex at GCI about doing some limited run No Names and am wondering how much interest there would be in doing a couple No Names in either .38 Super or 10mm? The pistol would retain all of the features of the current .45 offering, but chambered in one of these two calibers. Any thoughts on either this idea or any other interesting ideas would be appreciated. These would not be catalogue builds, rather builds that I would have built on a very limited basis so I am open to anything. Right now I am just trying to think up some ideas that may be interesting......thoughts or ideas?

bac1023
07-14-2010, 11:54
I imagine both would have a good level of interest.

There are certainly a good deal of 10mm fans on this board. :)

Heck, the 38 Super was pretty much designed for the 1911.

drc767
07-14-2010, 11:57
I imagine both would have a good level of interest.

There are certainly a good deal of 10mm fans on this board. :)

Heck, the 38 Super was pretty much designed for the 1911.


I love shooting the Super out of the 1911 platform, but the 10mm is just way too cool! Probably my favorite pistol caliber...

bac1023
07-14-2010, 12:04
I love shooting the Super out of the 1911 platform, but the 10mm is just way too cool! Probably my favorite pistol caliber...

The 10mm is a cool caliber for sure. :cool:

I only own one and that's an original Bren Ten. I plan on getting a new remake from Vltor next year when they become available.

usurp31
07-14-2010, 12:05
10mm would be a keeper.

Rinspeed
07-14-2010, 12:06
I've never shot a 10mm but would sure like to.

drc767
07-14-2010, 12:15
I've never shot a 10mm but would sure like to.

Rin.....the 10mm in the 1911 is awesome!! I see DoubleTap has a new 10mm load in the Barnes TAC-XP Bullet that looks pretty impressive. It is a pretty light bullet for a 10mm, but it is kind of hard to ignore 1,600 fps velocity!! :)

Caliber : 10mm

Bullet : 125gr. Barnes TAC-XP

Ballistics : 125gr. @ 1600fps / 710ft/lbs- Glock 20
1450fps / 582ft lbs 50yds. Glock 20
Glock 29 - 1501fps

Tactical black
07-14-2010, 12:39
I'm hoping to get a 1911 in 10mm but if I'm getting the NN I want it in 45acp.

HAIL CAESAR
07-14-2010, 12:40
The Super would be super for me.

Glolt20-91
07-14-2010, 13:25
The 10mm is making a comeback, but it'll never be as popular as the .38Super, given the Super's international use in competition.

For the handloader, just take a look at Starline's several different brass offerings in .38Super.

I can load .357cal 125gr/140gr XTPs in .38Super (the 125gr XTP high 1400s with little recoil) for 1911s, or put 8 round moonclips on them for the scandium N-frame M327 TRR8.

I have 2 10mms, but for personal protection living in a very rural desert environment, I keep coming back to carrying the .38Super and .357mag, in part, because they both give excellent terminal performance using bullets designed for fast velocities.

In contrast, the 10mm puts up nice numbers, but you're still using bullets designed for .40S&W velocities; except for the 175gr Silvertip. The 10mm gives great results at hunting distances because bullets slow down to their design velocity range, but at personal defense distances, you'll lose penetration depth.

Since the Gold Dot design is usually equated with personal defense, here are some selected 10mm Gold Dot gel data comparisons posted by Mike McNett, using Double Tap ammunition;

Here are official gelatin results for all of the DoubleTap loads!
All of these tests were done using 10% ballistic gelatin provided by Vyse gelatin using all FBI protocols and 4 layers of denim and two layers of light cotton T-shirt in front of the gelatin.

DoubleTap .40 S&W Penetration / expansion
180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1100fps - 14.75" / .68"

DoubleTap .357 Magnum
158gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1400fps - 19.0" .56"

DoubleTap 10mm
180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1300fps - 15.25" / .96"

DoubleTap .45ACP
230gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1010fps - 15.25" / .95"



The 10mm/180gr GD was 200fps faster than the .40S&W/180gr GD, more recoil and expansion, yet only penetrated 0.5" deeper. The .45auto went heads up with the 10mm, .357mag with its high velocity design gave very deep penetration.

The .40/180gr share the same sectional density with the .45/230gr; however, the sectional density of the .357/158gr compares with .40/200gr; but, Speer does not make a 200gr Gold Dot.

You could also market 1911/.45auto with .400 Corbon barrels, as some manufacturers do.

Bob :cowboy:

Ruggles
07-14-2010, 14:01
You 10mm boys must be trying to compensate for something!

.38 Super is the man's caliber, sleek and smooth. :)

A NN in .38 should be a smooth shooting mutha! That does indeed sound interesting.

Ruggles
07-14-2010, 14:02
The Super would be super for me.

A man of class and distinction I see :)

usurp31
07-14-2010, 14:22
You 10mm boys must be trying to compensate for something!

That makes absolutely no sense at all. :tongueout: Bogie would be disappointed.

...is the man's caliber, sleek and smooth.

Who's trying to compensate? :supergrin:

Ruggles
07-14-2010, 14:34
It's that whole big and strong looking thing with the 10mm.....

Bogie was pushing 5'8"....small package with alot of WHAM...all with style....just like the .38 Super baby!

:)

Bogie was a .38 Super man fer sure.....

usurp31
07-14-2010, 14:49
It's that whole big and strong looking thing with the 10mm.....

Bogie was pushing 5'8"....small package with alot of WHAM...all with style....just like the .38 Super baby!

:)

Bogie was a .38 Super man fer sure.....

:cool: Actually Bogie was a .455 Webley man.. 11.53mm!!

drc767
07-14-2010, 14:56
As much as I love the 10mm, I would probably pick the .38 Super for EDC. I have a 125g Speer Gold Dot load that is excellent. Starline Brass, Small Pistol Mag. Primer, 10.5g of VV N105 that gives me right around 1,500 fps out of a 5" 1911. It is much more controllable than 10mm for follow up shots and is getting up there in 357 Sig Velocities.....The thing I really like is the fact that they are loaded to the same OAL as the .45, so the weapon tends to be a little more reliable. Either way, if I end up working something out with Alex, I will have one of each caliber. :)

usurp31
07-14-2010, 15:29
I will have one of each caliber. :)

And that's the way to go.

bac1023
07-14-2010, 15:30
Either way, if I end up working something out with Alex, I will have one of each caliber. :)

Very cool :thumbsup:

Ruggles
07-14-2010, 15:41
"if I end up working something out with Alex, I will have one of each caliber. "

Don't forget about the little people! Let us know I might be in for a .38!

drc767
07-14-2010, 15:57
Ruggles.....PM sent. I have some info for you if your interested in this.

bac1023
07-14-2010, 16:00
Don't forget about the little people!



:rofl::rofl:

glock2740
07-14-2010, 16:09
I've always wanted a 1911 in 10mm and couldn't think of a better platform than the NN. Hmmm.....a flush crowned, rounded butt, hardchomed NN in 10mm...:whistling: Now, fullsize or commander? :whistling:

bac1023
07-14-2010, 16:21
I've always wanted a 1911 in 10mm and couldn't think of a better platform than the NN. Hmmm.....a flush crowned, rounded butt, hardchomed NN in 10mm...:whistling: Now, fullsize or commander? :whistling:

Wow Joe, you're going to end up with quite a 1911 collection. :)

drc767
07-14-2010, 16:25
I've always wanted a 1911 in 10mm and couldn't think of a better platform than the NN. Hmmm.....a flush crowned, rounded butt, hardchomed NN in 10mm...:whistling: Now, fullsize or commander? :whistling:

I don't think I will have any Commander sized pistols built. The 10mm is not ideal in the shorter slide pistols, anyway....So there.....I just made it an easy decision for ya.....:)

glock2740
07-14-2010, 16:38
I don't think I will have any Commander sized pistols built. The 10mm is not ideal in the shorter slide pistols, anyway....So there.....I just made it an easy decision for ya.....:)
Well. Problem solved. :rofl:

glock2740
07-14-2010, 16:40
Wow Joe, you're going to end up with quite a 1911 collection. :)
Look who's talking. :supergrin: It would behoove my bank account to just go back to living vicariously through your "magic carpet collection". :rofl:

bac1023
07-14-2010, 18:22
Look who's talking. :supergrin: It would behoove my bank account to just go back to living vicariously through your "magic carpet collection". :rofl:

:animlol:

GlocksterPaulie
07-14-2010, 18:28
I would say 38 super.

Paulie

Hokie1911
07-14-2010, 18:31
Look who's talking. :supergrin: It would behoove my bank account to just go back to living vicariously through your "magic carpet collection". :rofl:

Yeah because your collection sucks. :whistling:

Rinspeed
07-14-2010, 20:50
Rin.....the 10mm in the 1911 is awesome!!




I'm quite certain you are right about that but I already reload for five calibers now and the last thing I want to do is add another. Keeping track of 15,000 pieces of brass gets very old at times.

bac1023
07-14-2010, 21:51
Yeah because your collection sucks. :whistling:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

bac1023
07-14-2010, 21:52
I'm quite certain you are right about that but I already reload for five calibers now and the last thing I want to do is add another. Keeping track of 15,000 pieces of brass gets very old at times.

I need to get back into reloading. I did it in my younger days, but haven't for years.

remat
07-16-2010, 22:47
10mm for sure. I am a huge fan of 38Super, but wow is ammo hard to get. In my area 357Sig is more available and offers similar performance (yeah yeah, I know that the COAL is awfully short). Now a 9mm/38Super combo would be interesting but not so much in a fullsize for me. Of course, a 10mm/40 fullsize is interesting too...

lawdog734
07-16-2010, 22:51
I would love a 10mm NN but I am broke for a while.

glock2740
07-16-2010, 23:01
I would love a 10mm NN but I am broke for a while.
I heard you got a hell of a deal on that NN. So cough it up for the new 10mm lawdog. :rofl:

Cobra64
07-16-2010, 23:50
I've never shot a 10mm but would sure like to.

I did.... once, and that was enough. It's too much caliber for me.

My favorite calibers are .45 and 9mm, hereas my .38 Super Performance Center is my "boutique" shooter. :supergrin:

When get down here, you can shoot it. :)


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Marks%20Performance%20Center/PCLEFT06.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Marks%20Performance%20Center/P1030857.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Marks%20Performance%20Center/P1030854.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Marks%20Performance%20Center/P1030845.jpg




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glock2740
07-17-2010, 01:25
I did.... once, and that was enough. It's too much caliber for me.

My favorite calibers are .45 and 9mm, hereas my .38 Super Performance Center is my "boutique" shooter. :supergrin:

When get down here, you can shoot it. :)


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Marks%20Performance%20Center/PCLEFT06.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Marks%20Performance%20Center/P1030857.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Marks%20Performance%20Center/P1030854.jpg



http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/1911/Marks%20Performance%20Center/P1030845.jpg




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Very nice.

Rinspeed
07-17-2010, 04:25
When get down here, you can shoot it. :)




Sounds good my friend, I look forward to it.

lawdog734
07-17-2010, 08:36
I heard you got a hell of a deal on that NN. So cough it up for the new 10mm lawdog. :rofl:
I'm not complaining:supergrin::supergrin:

jjdubious48195
07-17-2010, 11:59
A Guncrafter in 10mm, now we are talking.

Cobra64
07-17-2010, 21:07
I'm quite certain you are right about that but I already reload for five calibers now and the last thing I want to do is add another. Keeping track of 15,000 pieces of brass gets very old at times.

Piker.








:rofl:

Cobra64
07-17-2010, 21:09
I need to get back into reloading. I did it in my younger days, but haven't for years.

Younger days...?

If you were any younger, you wouldn't be old enough to drive the Lotus. :rofl:

Cerebrus
07-18-2010, 00:12
.38 super would be sweet.. then it would be next to nothing to have a 9mm barrel fitted for it.. the best of both worlds.. a hot load.. and the ability to practice with it cheaply..

BayouGlocker
07-18-2010, 01:20
One I could afford would be nice. :tongueout:

Anyways, why not both? I'm an econ student, so I understand the whole supply and demand thing. I think that there'd be a decent demand for them. Also, the more units produced, the lower fixed cost per unit. Being able to fill two niches, will hopefully expand the appeal of the NN.

Something I think would be neat tho.... A long slide 10mm. :cool:

bac1023
07-18-2010, 01:27
Younger days...?

If you were any younger, you wouldn't be old enough to drive the Lotus. :rofl:

:rofl:

Yeah, I was in my early 20's when I reloaded for a few years. :embarassed:

38 Super Fan
07-19-2010, 09:56
38 Super is a great cartridge. Very original to the 1911 platform as well. Cor-Bon loads push 125 grains at over 1400 FPS, thats 357 Magnum performance in an auto-loader. Its not 10mm strong, but it has 9mm recoil and is very powerful. People love to say "38 Super is expensive and hard to find". Hell, I see it at every gun show I go to, I usually pick up boxes of Aguila for $20, thats pretty cheap, and Aguila is good ammo. Good luck whatever you decide on.

Cobra64
07-19-2010, 19:13
38 Super is a great cartridge. Very original to the 1911 platform as well. Cor-Bon loads push 125 grains at over 1400 FPS, thats 357 Magnum performance in an auto-loader. Its not 10mm strong, but it has 9mm recoil and is very powerful. People love to say "38 Super is expensive and hard to find". Hell, I see it at every gun show I go to, I usually pick up boxes of Aguila for $20, thats pretty cheap, and Aguila is good ammo. Good luck whatever you decide on.

If you roll your own, the cost per round is the same as 9mm.

willis68
08-12-2013, 06:02
I regret selling my G20SF the 10MM is one of my favorite rounds, so I just ordered a Government model Gun Crafter No Name in 10MM, quoted 45 weeks, I am really excited to get this pistol!

surjimmy
08-12-2013, 09:33
I love them both. My EDC is a 1955 LW Commander. My Delta was done by Chuck Warner, it will be passed on to one of my Son's.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa250/surjimmy/IMG_4760.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/surjimmy/media/IMG_4760.jpg.html)
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa250/surjimmy/IMG_1965.jpg (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/surjimmy/media/IMG_1965.jpg.html)

bac1023
08-12-2013, 18:12
I regret selling my G20SF the 10MM is one of my favorite rounds, so I just ordered a Government model Gun Crafter No Name in 10MM, quoted 45 weeks, I am really excited to get this pistol!

Congrats!

You must be pretty excited to bring back a 3+ year old thread. :)

Rinspeed
08-12-2013, 19:01
If you roll your own, the cost per round is the same as 9mm.




If you roll your own 9mm the cost per round is the same as .22LR. :supergrin:

bac1023
08-12-2013, 19:10
If you roll your own 9mm the cost per round is the same as .22LR. :supergrin:

:thumbsup:

I have to get back into reloading...

glock2740
08-12-2013, 19:21
I regret selling my G20SF the 10MM is one of my favorite rounds, so I just ordered a Government model Gun Crafter No Name in 10MM, quoted 45 weeks, I am really excited to get this pistol!
Congrats! Can't wait to see it. The only one I've ever seen was a bobtailed Commander.

Steel Head
08-12-2013, 20:12
Congrats!

You must be pretty excited to bring back a 3+ year old thread. :)

:rofl:

willis68
08-14-2013, 20:31
Congrats!

You must be pretty excited to bring back a 3+ year old thread. :)


Yes indeed Brian!

garander
08-15-2013, 05:04
:thumbsup:

I have to get back into reloading...

You should! Just keep it simple and set up for 45 and at least you can crank those out:cool: