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duncan
07-14-2010, 12:22
Guys, I want options.

Have an Asus netbook - hardware is fine.

But Win 7 starter is a closed minded OS. Can't even modify your desktop without a lot of work.

Have XP SP2 licensed versions and can certainly use a flash drive to install Ubuntu Netbook Version 10.4.

If I want to run XP, I'll need a USB portable external CD drive. Might as well have a unit that can play DVDs as well as help install CD software.

Any cheap afforable portable USB drives I could score locally at Best Buy or online?

Help me out - those rip from the user is just killing me.

duncan
07-14-2010, 12:34
Would this work?

Velocity Micro - VMdrive Pro 8x External USB 2.0 DVD±RW/±R/CD-RW Drive
$67 Best Buy

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Velocity+Micro+-+VMdrive+Pro+8x+External+USB+2.0+DVD%26%23177%3BRW/%26%23177%3BR/CD-RW+Drive/9522536.p?id=1218118661209&skuId=9522536&st=usb%20external%20dvd%20drive&cp=2&lp=4

Or anyone have one that they are running with their ASUS netbook 1005?

Pierre!
07-14-2010, 13:26
Keep in mind that yesterday was the *last* batch of Win XP Service Pack 2 updates to be issued by MS... Win 2000 will no longer be patches either.

Get it up to SP3, and you should have some more life left in the patches though!

HTH

GIockGuy24
07-14-2010, 13:31
My experience with netbooks has been that full size desktop type extrenal CD/DVD drives won't boot a netbook. If the netbook is up and running an operationg system they can usually use that type of drive but to boot the system to install an operating system on a netbbook a "portable" USB cd/DVD drive is required. There are two types. One with a double USB cable that runs from power through 2 USB ports because netbooks don't have enough power on one USB port alone or the type that has an additional A/C power adapter and usually only include a single USB. the most reliable for installing is using an A/C power adapter but you usually won't get a double USB cable to use the drive when A/C power isn't available. Not a big deal if at home or office. If you ever want to use the drive with a battery power then a double USB cable is normally required, especially with netbooks. It does depend on the netbook and the drive but buying cheap, go for a drive that includes an A/C adapter. You can always add a double USB cable later if you want to use the drive with only battery power from the netbook.

GIockGuy24
07-14-2010, 13:45
Would this work?

Velocity Micro - VMdrive Pro 8x External USB 2.0 DVD±RW/±R/CD-RW Drive
$67 Best Buy

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Velocity+Micro+-+VMdrive+Pro+8x+External+USB+2.0+DVD%26%23177%3BRW/%26%23177%3BR/CD-RW+Drive/9522536.p?id=1218118661209&skuId=9522536&st=usb%20external%20dvd%20drive&cp=2&lp=4

Or anyone have one that they are running with their ASUS netbook 1005?

Notice that one says two USB cables and doesn't mention an A/C power adapter / power supply.

GIockGuy24
07-14-2010, 13:55
This is the one I have I think. Includes A/C adapter.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Pioneer+-+Slim+Portable+8x+External+USB+2.0+Double-Layer+DVD%26%23177%3BRW/CD-RW+Drive/9402041.p?id=1218099650459&skuId=9402041

This one is the same brand but doesn't mention an A/C power adapter so I don't think it's not included.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Pioneer+-+Slim+Portable+8x+External+USB+2.0+Double-Layer+DVD%26%23177%3BRW/CD-RW+Drive/9402041.p?id=1218099650459&skuId=9402041

Mine only came with a single USB cable but I had a USB Y cable from an external 2.5 inch hard drive that works for battery power with the CD drive.

edit,

Something strange with Best Buy's website. The links go to the same drive without an A/C adapter but I'm looking a page that says A/C adapter included and it has a higher price. Search the Best Buy website for Pioneer drive with A/C adapter. Price is $104.99, on sale for $94.49

The one without an A/C adapter that keeps coming up when I try to link the other is $69.99 on sale for $62.99. The difference is the A/C adapter.

GIockGuy24
07-14-2010, 14:04
This is the one I have I think. Includes A/C adapter.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Pioneer+-+Slim+Portable+8x+External+USB+2.0+Double-Layer+DVD%26%23177%3BRW/CD-RW+Drive/9402041.p?id=1218099650459&skuId=9402096

This one is the same brand but doesn't mention an A/C power adapter so I don't think it's not included.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Pioneer+-+Slim+Portable+8x+External+USB+2.0+Double-Layer+DVD%26%23177%3BRW/CD-RW+Drive/9402041.p?id=1218099650459&skuId=9402041

Mine only came with a single USB cable but I had a USB Y cable from an external 2.5 inch hard drive that works for battery power with the CD drive.

Edit the link keeps going to wrong one. Search Best Buy's website for the Pioneer drive with A/C adapter. The price is $104.99, on sale for $94.49. SKU number: 9402096

The drive without an A/C adapter is $69.99, on sale for $62.99. The difference is the A/C adapter.
SKU number: 9402041

GIockGuy24
07-15-2010, 13:26
If you went all Linux you could just use a flash drive to install it. You could install Linux on half of the hard drive you have now. It would resize the Windows partition and Windows 7 would still be usable and able to share files with Linux.

duncan
07-16-2010, 00:01
If you went all Linux you could just use a flash drive to install it. You could install Linux on half of the hard drive you have now. It would resize the Windows partition and Windows 7 would still be usable and able to share files with Linux.

Funny, I have Ubuntu Netbook version on a USB drive and Xubuntu on my 4gb flash drive. Been playing with it for two years now on two different systems.

If I did that, would my startup screen then ask me if I want Windows 5, Expressgate (ASUS Splashtop mini-Linux), or Ubuntu Netbook?

GIockGuy24
07-16-2010, 11:51
Funny, I have Ubuntu Netbook version on a USB drive and Xubuntu on my 4gb flash drive. Been playing with it for two years now on two different systems.

If I did that, would my startup screen then ask me if I want Windows 5, Expressgate (ASUS Splashtop mini-Linux), or Ubuntu Netbook?

Yes, it would replace the Windows master boot record with Grub 2 bootloader. It will have a list of operating systems. To choose one high light it by using the keyboard down arrow and then press the Enter key. It only gives you a few seconds to choose and if you don't, it will automatically boot Linux. Windows is usually at the bottom of the list after several boot options.

Drjones
07-16-2010, 12:13
Most modern computers - especially netbooks - can boot from a USB memory stick.

The program WinToFlash can create a bootable USB stick for you and MS released their own tool for this purpose, though I think it only works with a Windows 7 DVD or .ISO file - won't work with XP, IIRC: http://store.microsoft.com/Help/ISO-Tool

You can get a copy of Win7 for under $100 on Amazon.

GIockGuy24
07-16-2010, 12:26
I think he has Windows 7 Starter now and he doesn't like it.

Drjones
07-16-2010, 12:28
Microsoft Windows 7 Anytime Upgrade (Starter to Home Premium) - $65.00 (http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Anytime-Upgrade-Starter/dp/B002K7C1HG/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1279304862&sr=8-11)

duncan
07-16-2010, 14:27
I CAN run Win 7 home premium on a netbook with a maxed out RAM of 2gb?

Anyone running it?

GIockGuy24
07-16-2010, 14:37
I just added Linux to the installed Windows and I don't use Windows often. After adding memory, buying a CD drive and then buying another version of Windows, the cost of a netbook can get pricey.

Drjones
07-16-2010, 14:45
I CAN run Win 7 home premium on a netbook with a maxed out RAM of 2gb?

Anyone running it?


Absolutely. I put Win7 Ultimate on my netbook - Acer 751, Atom proc., 2GB RAM and it ran fine. Sure didn't win any speed records, but that's due to the hardware, not the OS.

My primary PC is actually an OLD Dell laptop, P4 w/2GB RAM and it too runs Win7 just fine.

duncan
07-24-2010, 19:38
So I could just use the USB live version to install Ubuntu or Ubuntu Netbook on this netbook and just have it be dual boot?

What size partition should I run for linux?

250gb on the hdd

IndyGunFreak
07-24-2010, 19:49
So I could just use the USB live version to install Ubuntu or Ubuntu Netbook on this netbook and just have it be dual boot?

What size partition should I run for linux?

250gb on the hdd

Where have you been the last 2yrs? :)

What makes you think you couldn't? It's virtually the same as installing from a CD(if you've ever set up a dual boot machine from CD before).. Not hard at all, just pay attention. 1.5-2gig swap, and about a 12-15gig data partition should be plenty

IGF

GIockGuy24
07-24-2010, 21:57
250 GB is huge for a netbook. Considering you can't even watch DVD's on it or play big games.

Now for really easy Linux installing, upgrading and reinstalling and such, you can first choose about 2 GB for Linux swap partition. 1.5 GB is usually all any computer except maybe larger servers need but since hard drives are so large these days most people now recommend 2 GB of swap. Now for the programs/apps, they can go in the "root" partition which is labeled by "/* without the quotes. so it would be the / partition and you'll see that on the installer as a partition. Normally 6 GB to maybe 8 GB is plenty but since hard drives have become so large 10 GB has become common for the root partition. Then form a "home" partition labeled "/home" by the partitioning tool in the Linux installer and this where your storage is for storing files such as images, PDF's, etc. With that large a hard drive maybe make it as large as 10 GB to 50 GB. The reason I recommend this is, you can install Linux again by just formatting the root partition leaving the swap and home partitions alone to reuse them and it won't destroy any files saved in the home partition.

Linux partitions will look something like this,

root ) / 10 GB

swap) Linux swap 2 GB

home) /home 10 GB to 50 GB

The rest of your hard drive will be the Windows partition and most likely a Windows recovery partition that is already there. The Windows master boot record will be replaced by the Linux boot loader Grub 2 which should have Windows 7 at the bottom of it's menu and it will also list the Windows recovery partition as bootable. Usually it's best not to boot the recovery partition unless needed. Use the up/down arrow keys on the keyboard to highlight which OS you want to boot and then press the Enter key.

GIockGuy24
07-24-2010, 22:03
When installing Linux, DO NOT choose "use whole drive". Choose resize Windows. There is automatic partitioning and there is custom partitioning which allows you to choose how you want the partitions. The automatic partitioning may allow you to resize the Windows partition and use the rest but I don't exactly remember how it looks or what it says. Until you finalize it you can cancel with no changes so you can look at custom and I think automatic to see what they would do, I usually choose custom partitioning so I forget how automatic looks or how "automatic" it really is, and what choices, if any , it has.

IndyGunFreak
07-25-2010, 02:41
I think Ubuntu actually calls it "Guided" partitioning. It'll let you basically say "I want this much space for Ubuntu"... If you give it 20gigs, it will set that 20gigs up appropriately. Usually it just assigns a swap and a / and the default filesystem(ext4). I've personally never bothered putting home on a separate partition, but I know a lot of folks do.

Then they have the Full install, which automatically partitions and sets up the entire drive w/ ext4

Manual Install... You pretty much do everything including setting the partition types, their sizes, and choosing from a variety of filesystems.

GIockGuy24
07-26-2010, 02:13
Okay I only researched it briefly so far but depending how you made your USB drive it may or may not include the hard drive installer. Ubuntu has a CD iso image noted by ".iso" and Ubuntu has a USB image noted by ".img". I don'y know if your USB installation includes a hard drive installer but it can be added or modified to to do it I think.

IndyGunFreak
07-26-2010, 03:56
The USB image (.img) has an installer as well as being a "Live" disk.

IGF

Slug71
07-26-2010, 10:23
This;
http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook/get-ubuntu/download

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