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dregotglock
07-16-2010, 07:34
I did search but could not find out specific information-

I know that all three use frames and slides from Armscorp - I also know that RIA WAS dist of Armscorp and it is now CITADEL. STI uses thier internals - and are in Tx so that is nice for me to know.

My quesiton is this - RIA, CITADEL - is there really any difference between them to justify cost difference for a compact (I have seen a 150.00 - 200.00 price difference with Citadel being more)? This is in regards to reliability and quality.

It is my understanding that Citadel is new dist for armscorp and gunbroker has several examples of each but it seems that Citadel has "upgraded features". My issue is that if both are the same then I will just get the RIA Compact - but if there is a difference I would like to know so I can make an informed decision.

RIA compact and Citadel Compact images attached for comparison



This is going to be my first 1911 in approx 15 years - any information to clarify my understanding would be greatly appreciated.

glockfan9
07-16-2010, 11:27
i was in the same position. im not sure about the company of citadel but im actually ordering an RIA compact tactical today. there is a basic compact for about $350-400 but the RIA tactical is the same thing as the citadel and what you have pictured above. the RIA tactical is only about $50-75 less than the citadel from what ive seen. but they are the same gun.

BlayGlock
07-16-2010, 12:25
I would get the Citadel just because of the sight upgrade. They are Novack cut and you can put some better sight upgrades.

jethro21
07-16-2010, 13:06
If you find the RIA tactical compact it comes with Novak "style" sights, with novak cut. I have a recent post about my new RIA compact, I really like it. Not too many rounds down it yet, but it is going to go through the paces in the coming weeks.

Both are solid guns with a lifetime warranty

glockfan9
07-16-2010, 13:20
If you find the RIA tactical compact it comes with Novak "style" sights, with novak cut.

exactly, the tactical is the same as the citadel

bac1023
07-16-2010, 17:57
Only the STI Spartan has anything to do with Armscor.

Its the best out of those three.

glockfan9
07-16-2010, 23:15
[QUOTE=bac1023;15650997]Only the STI Spartan has anything to do with Armscor.
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really?? i was told by 3 different shops that armscor made all of them?:dunno: not that i care lol. im still gettin my RIA

glock2740
07-16-2010, 23:32
Only the STI Spartan has anything to do with Armscor.

Its the best out of those three.
Exactly. The Spartan and the RIA Match are almost twins. I have the RIA Match, and it is one hell of a shooter.

glockfan9
07-16-2010, 23:40
^ i honestly have not heard one bad thing about RIA except that its not the same as a premium $1000 1911 and i can live with that.

glock2740
07-17-2010, 00:39
^ i honestly have not heard one bad thing about RIA except that its not the same as a premium $1000 1911 and i can live with that.
I have to admit, in MY hands, my RIA Match shoots almost as good as my Kimber Target that was custom built to Bullseye specs by John Vincent at Hallston Custom. No knock on John's work, because that's THE BEST shoting gun I own. But, my RIA Match shoots damn good. Enough so, that I'm eventually going to have the barrel flush crowned and have the gun hardchromed soon. With no other customizing done to it, other than maybe having the ambi swapped out for a single sided safety.

glock2740
07-17-2010, 00:54
Here's a target shot with 100 rounds, offhand at 25 yards (by me:embarassed:) with the Target II.

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/lotsofpics042.jpg

Here's a 100 round target shot offhand at 25 yards, shot with the RIA Match, (again, by me and after shooting 100 rounds in the Target II), so I'm sure there was some shooter fatigue setting in, with the RIA Match.

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/lotsofpics043.jpg

glockfan9
07-17-2010, 00:58
^ thats crazy, nice shooting. im getting the compact model but i hope to master it out to about 15 yards. ive already been able to shoot a 1911 wayy better than i could ever do with my G19.

glock2740
07-17-2010, 01:03
^ thats crazy, nice shooting. im getting the compact model but i hope to master it out to about 15 yards. ive already been able to shoot a 1911 wayy better than i could ever do with my G19.
Thanks, but if I was to shoot them off a bench rest, they'd all be in or close to the red. :supergrin: Those were shot off hand and I don't claim to be an expert shot. :supergrin:

glockfan9
07-17-2010, 01:10
ya i have never shot off a bench rest. i do pretty good 2 handed and i can even keep it on target one handed. but im hoping that the RIA will help with more accuracy just because it fits in my hands like butter :)

glock2740
07-17-2010, 01:11
Here's one that I'm pretty proud of shot by my Pro Raptor. 150 rounds offhand at 25 yards.

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/lotsofpics048.jpg

glockfan9
07-17-2010, 01:14
^ very nice

glock2740
07-17-2010, 01:20
Thanks. I should have quit after 50 rounds. Shooter fatigue sets in around 50 rounds for me and after that, my groups start to spread out.

glockfan9
07-17-2010, 01:44
"The Rock Island Armory 1911 series consists of a product line of single-action (http://www.facebook.com/pages/w/110636962292289) recoil operated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recoil_operated) semi-automatic pistol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_pistol)s. They are designed and manufactured by Armscor (http://www.facebook.com/pages/w/104098656293213) in Marikina City (http://www.facebook.com/pages/w/113590095318103), Philippines (http://www.facebook.com/pages/w/104081596294838), and distributed in the United States by Armscor USA, located in Pahrump, Nevada (http://www.facebook.com/pages/w/103950692973910)."
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glock2740
07-17-2010, 01:57
"The Rock Island Armory 1911 series consists of a product line of single-action (http://www.facebook.com/pages/w/110636962292289) recoil operated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recoil_operated) semi-automatic pistol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_pistol)s. They are designed and manufactured by Armscor (http://www.facebook.com/pages/w/104098656293213) in Marikina City (http://www.facebook.com/pages/w/113590095318103), Philippines (http://www.facebook.com/pages/w/104081596294838), and distributed in the United States by Armscor USA, located in Pahrump, Nevada (http://www.facebook.com/pages/w/103950692973910)."
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Yes. They're made in the Philippines and distributed out of Nevada. They have a pretty good gunsmith in Pahrump, named Arnel. They have excellent customer service too. You won't go wrong with a Rock Island. I have 3 of them (5" Tactical, 5" Match and 3.5" GI) and like them alot.

bac1023
07-17-2010, 04:38
really?? i was told by 3 different shops that armscor made all of them?:dunno: not that i care lol. im still gettin my RIA

I meant the only STI. The others in this thread are also Armscor. :)

glockfan9
07-17-2010, 07:19
I meant the only STI. The others in this thread are also Armscor. :)
ahhh i gotcha :wavey:
- glock2740, how do you like the 3.5" specifically?

dregotglock
07-17-2010, 08:03
Thank you all for the information -

I wanted to get into a RIA compact or Citadel compact for some time, but reviews and such on a 1911 website had me very gun shy (pun intended).

Let me ask a couple follow ups - did you have to do anything special with your RIA's for break in before you felt confident as edc? AND did you suffer many issues during the break in period?

Thanks again everyone -

glockfan9
07-17-2010, 08:19
Thank you all for the information -

I wanted to get into a RIA compact or Citadel compact for some time, but reviews and such on a 1911 website had me very gun shy (pun intended).

Let me ask a couple follow ups - did you have to do anything special with your RIA's for break in before you felt confident as edc? AND did you suffer many issues during the break in period?

Thanks again everyone -
- I do not personally have mine yet but ive been doing this same research and asked the same questions. i would probably say that i read about maybe 1-3 people that had any kind of break in issues and those were only a FTF or FTE but most blame it on shooter error.
- i have not looked at the citadel very much but that seems to be the all around response with the RIA.
- overall i would always reccomend putting at least 200-300 rounds down range with various rounds, not only to be sure that it will fire but being comfortable with the weapon itself.

dregotglock
07-17-2010, 10:45
- I do not personally have mine yet but ive been doing this same research and asked the same questions. i would probably say that i read about maybe 1-3 people that had any kind of break in issues and those were only a FTF or FTE but most blame it on shooter error.
- i have not looked at the citadel very much but that seems to be the all around response with the RIA.
- overall i would always reccomend putting at least 200-300 rounds down range with various rounds, not only to be sure that it will fire but being comfortable with the weapon itself.


Thank you - so what model are you considering at this point? Compact, Commander, FS, match? It seems that most of the issues I have read about are with the compact model - which is making the commander and the tactical seem like a good choice esp with only a 20.00 difference at centerfire.

glockfan9
07-17-2010, 10:51
IM going with the compact cs (tactical) http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AC-RI1911-CS.aspx
- If issues occour they are usually in the smaller sized 1911s but i havent seen anything serious.
- i considered the commander but they dont have a tactical verson and that has most features that im wanting, ext beavertail, sights, trigger etc..
- it will also be for CCW so i figure that extra 1/2" off each end will make it more comfortable.

dregotglock
07-18-2010, 08:42
Thanks everyone - I am going to be looking at a ria tactical tactical. Hope to find one at a gun show next week. Will report back a report at that time.