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Palouse
07-21-2010, 12:14
I do not own a 1911 and would like to. I'm considering an R1, but in doing so I would like to add some things like a better hammer, beaver tail grip-safety and better sights. Nothing grand, but I would like it for carry IWB. In budgeting for this, I'm trying to get a ballpark figure of what a simple upgrade like that would add to the pistol. Also, am I missing anything? Any help is appreciated.

MD357
07-21-2010, 12:32
Personally, I'd go with a Springfield Mil-spec if I was going to do those mods.

zhix
07-21-2010, 14:22
Wouldn't it be more expensive to replace sights on the Mil.pec. or am I thinking of the wrong model? The R1 already has dovetail cuts in it. Your costs of the modifications would depend a lot on what parts you get; similar parts from different manufacturers differ considerably in price.

IMO I like the sights that are already on the R1, unless you wanted night sights or something, and although the SA Mil. Spec is said to be the best base gun for builds, I personally would take a cast US frame over a Brazil forged frame.
And if you get one in stainless be sure to look at the slab sides to see if they're straight and someone wasn't careless in polishing & made a big hump on it like one I looked at recently.

Jason D
07-21-2010, 18:10
It would be easier to work on a Springfield with it's series 70 type system.
The Remington is a series 80 type.

MD357
07-21-2010, 22:14
To be clear I'm talking about the Mil-spec not the "GI" which have the same sight cuts as the Remmington. The reason I suggested it is because the springer is one of the better base guns out there.

Those that are somewhat knowledgable in steel realize that brazillian forgings are excellent. On top of that.... do "we" even know where Remmy gets their castings?

Black Cloud
07-21-2010, 22:22
I think it would be cheaper to buy a Kimber Custom II or a Loaded.
There are other manufactures around with those features already added at a lower price (RIA for example).
Don't forget you need to refinish the pistol after installation of a beavertail, and an extended thumb safety feels a lot better than the standard.

Black Cloud
07-21-2010, 22:42
I do not own a 1911 and would like to. I'm considering an R1, but in doing so I would like to add some things like a better hammer, beaver tail grip-safety and better sights. Nothing grand, but I would like it for carry IWB. In budgeting for this, I'm trying to get a ballpark figure of what a simple upgrade like that would add to the pistol. Also, am I missing anything? Any help is appreciated.

R1 base 550 - 625
Springfield Mil. Spec. 475 - 700 (preferred)

Hammer 25+
15+ installed

Sight set 75+
30+ to cut the front dovetail, 15+ depending on drifting or dovetail rear

Beavertail safety 35+
30+ installation, and 50+ to park slide only.

With parts and labor you are looking at around 260.

You can easily get a Kimber Custom II or Springfield loaded NIB w/ns for 700 -825

zhix
07-22-2010, 07:48
To be clear I'm talking about the Mil-spec not the "GI" which have the same sight cuts as the Remmington. The reason I suggested it is because the springer is one of the better base guns out there.

Those that are somewhat knowledgable in steel realize that brazillian forgings are excellent. On top of that.... do "we" even know where Remmy gets their castings?



Yes, I was thinking of the GI. As far as the frame, I know that the Brazil Frames are known to be quality forgings, what I am saying is that I prefer to have guns that don't say MADE IN BRAZIL on them.

Taurus uses forged brazilian frames in their 1911s as well, so an excellent Brazillian forging alone doesn't exactly make a 1911 high quality.

MD357
07-22-2010, 08:45
Yes, I was thinking of the GI. As far as the frame, I know that the Brazil Frames are known to be quality forgings, what I am saying is that I prefer to have guns that don't say MADE IN BRAZIL on them.


I'm pretty sure the newer Mil specs aren't stamped on the outside like they used to be. Your comments were ambiguous so if a stamp is your only criticism then I can live with that. Again, so can many pistolsmiths out there. :cool:

Taurus uses forged brazilian frames in their 1911s as well, so an excellent Brazillian forging alone doesn't exactly make a 1911 high quality

Lets not go the strawman argument route here. I was talking about Springfield, NOT taurus and neither gun is "high" quality especially the Remy.

Quack
07-22-2010, 09:25
the choice is your's. i feel that the R1 is put together better than the Mil-spec or GI. that's why it took my ~8 months to find a project gun (R1). with a firends mil-spec, we had to give the trigger quite a bit of loving, and replaced the loose barrel bushing with an Ed Brown. The slide on the mil-spec felt gritty when hand cycling it, where the R1 was smooth. the downsides to the R1 is 80 series and the roll-mark, but no big deal.

accuracy would go to the R1 as well, which shot better out of box than the mil-spec.

Palouse
07-22-2010, 10:18
Thanks for all the replies, gents.

I was at my local hardware store (only place that sells guns in town) last night, and they quoted me $620 on the R1.

However, they also have a Springfield Tactical TPS under the glass that caught my eye. They've had it for awhile, and one of the employees told me the owner is afraid it's going to gather dust, and I'm trying to work them down on price. Currently, it's at $1575, which is too high. The manager quoted me $1400 for it, but my neighbor works at the counter part time, and he said the owner talked to him about maybe letting it go for $1200. Twice the cost of an R1, but I presume I wouldn't have to do anything to it.

Palouse
07-22-2010, 10:19
IMO I like the sights that are already on the R1....

I assumed that the sights on the R1 would be like those on the Spgfld GI, but now that I've seen photos, I probably wouldn't replace the sights on the R1 if I went that route.

Quack
07-22-2010, 10:46
$1200 for a TRP is a great price.

FWIW, the R1 front sight is dovetailed, while the Springfield is staked on. this would make sight changes on the R1 easier.

here's some 1911 porn for you

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_3093.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_2239.jpg

zhix
07-22-2010, 11:11
IMO $620 is high for the R1 unless that price is OTD. I can get one for $569 + tx. I'm not saying you should get a TRP but if its 1200 NIB that would be an outstanding deal if you like it.

Palouse
07-22-2010, 11:41
IMO $620 is high for the R1 unless that price is OTD. I can get one for $569 + tx. I'm not saying you should get a TRP but if its 1200 NIB that would be an outstanding deal if you like it.

No, it was $620+7.8% sales tax, so almost $670 OTD. They're the only place in town, and they're relatively new at it. If I buy an R1, I'll buy from an out-of-state dealer on Gunbroker and transfer it.

The guy at the counter told me this morning that the wholesale cost on the TRP that they paid was "about" $1350, so I'm not sure what will happen. I gave him my name and phone number and asked that he speak to the store owner about what he'll let the pistol go for and then let me know. The more I think about it, the less I'm holding my breath that I'll hear "$1,200" over the phone. I'm not going to pay $1400 plus tax on the TRP.

Quack
07-22-2010, 12:51
Bud's had them for ~$586

Palouse
07-22-2010, 13:15
Bud's had them for ~$586

Good to know.

What triggers do you have on the pistols in the photo above?

Quack
07-22-2010, 13:17
i think they are the 10-8 triggers. i use either the 10-8 or Wilson flat triggers in my 1911's, with the exception of the Infinity ITS on the STI.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/Guns/DSC_2487.jpg