Finally some pics of Cimarron's new 1911... [Archive] - Glock Talk

PDA

View Full Version : Finally some pics of Cimarron's new 1911...


bac1023
07-21-2010, 15:06
Well guys, I had to grab one of these because I was so darn curious about them. While I said I would wait a while to get my last three 1911s of the year, I decided to get this one right away so people (including me) could see what it was. :supergrin:

Its built by Armscor, but the frame was left in the original 1911 style, instead of the A1. According to Cimarron, they tried to keep the gun as close to 1918 spec as possible.

The differences at first glance include an ejection port that's at half mast, though not completely lowered, a trigger that's slightly shorter than 1918 spec, yet not A1 length, and, obviously, the magazine.

Here are some pics. I actually think the Colt-style roll markings were a nice idea. Its even got a horse.

...a Cimarron horse that is. :embarassed:


Enjoy the pics.


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/002-11.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/003-9.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/005-9.jpg

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/007-2.jpg

bac1023
07-21-2010, 15:06
Obviously, its going to be very similar to the RIA Government model, as they're both Armscor built and USGI style. However, there are just enough differences to give the Cimarron its own personality.

These include...

- The RIA has a flared ejection port
- The RIA uses a 1911A1 frame, while the Cimarron's is 1911 spec.
- The RIA has no lanyard loop, while the Cimarron does.
- The RIA has a serrated main spring housing, while the Cimarron's, in true 1911 fashion, is smooth.
- The RIA has a beveled magwell, while the Cimarron does not.

Other than the grips and roll markings being totally different, that's about it. The grips are a bit thinner on the Cimarron, for what its worth. The Cimarron's trigger does feel noticeably heavier, but that can vary from gun to gun with 1911s in this price range.


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_2039.jpg



I really like Armscor built 1911s and I own several by different companies. I haven't shot this yet, but I certainly like what I'm seeing so far. Its really the only 1918 styled replica on the market today, as I believe Colt is done production of theirs. The only other one I'm aware of is USFA, but they're sort of a hybrid, a very beautifully done hybrid I may add. ;) More on them later...

Anyway, this is one of the three remaining 1911s, actually three remaining firearms, I plan to pick up this year. The other two are the Morris that I'm waiting for and the EMF Hartford that's at my shop waiting for me. :)

Any thoughts on my new Cimarron? The curious thing about it is why they have 1911A1 stamped on the right side of the frame, when clearly their intentions were replicating an earlier model. Not a big deal, but odd. :headscratch:

Of course Cimarron is new to all this. ;)

Trey83
07-21-2010, 15:13
Looks like another great way to enter the wonderful world of 1911's. What does this one sell for?

Tactical black
07-21-2010, 15:13
It looks decent for the money congrats!

bac1023
07-21-2010, 15:48
Looks like another great way to enter the wonderful world of 1911's. What does this one sell for?

I got it a little over $500. They aren't as low as I would have liked. They run about $75 more than the RIA Government for whatever reason.

Considering the Springfield GI is the same price, it may be tough. However, I got it for something different.

1918 replicas are not common at all.

jrs93accord
07-21-2010, 16:40
Darn it Brian, you beat me to it. :supergrin:

I will have pics of my Cimarron 1911 and the EMF Hartford 1911A1 posted on Saturday, if all goes well. I am excited about getting mine. I do like the darker grips you have on your Cimarron.

faawrenchbndr
07-21-2010, 17:16
You BOTH are frickin killin me! :faint:

rsxr22
07-21-2010, 17:37
I think it is a good looking gun! I love seeing the old styled classics.

KillStick
07-21-2010, 17:41
Darn it Brian, you beat me to it. :supergrin:

I will have pics of my Cimarron 1911 and the EMF Hartford 1911A1 posted on Saturday, if all goes well. I am excited about getting mine. I do like the darker grips you have on your Cimarron.


Are you guys neighbors:rofl: Congrats back I do like how it looks, I haven't seen one around my neck of the woods yet.

bac1023
07-21-2010, 17:50
Darn it Brian, you beat me to it. :supergrin:

I will have pics of my Cimarron 1911 and the EMF Hartford 1911A1 posted on Saturday, if all goes well. I am excited about getting mine. I do like the darker grips you have on your Cimarron.


Yeah James, I saw your boxes packed up and ready to be shipped while I was there. Fred was dropping them off this afternoon, so you should have them by Friday or Saturday. :thumbsup:

You will be getting the EMF long before me. I held both of mine trying to decide which to pick up first and went with the Cimarron, since there aren't really any pics of them anywhere. ;)

...the grips on yours are a bit lighter, but also look nice. You can always darken them up.

ctfireman
07-21-2010, 17:52
Nice addition! You're my hero. lol

bac1023
07-21-2010, 18:00
Are you guys neighbors:rofl: Congrats back I do like how it looks, I haven't seen one around my neck of the woods yet.

No we're about 1100 miles apart. I just have James hooked up with my dealer.

He's been ordering two of everything instead of one. :rofl:

James actually initiated this order, but my dealer knew I had been talking about them, so he ordered two. :animlol:

bac1023
07-21-2010, 18:15
You BOTH are frickin killin me! :faint:

:rofl:

Yeah, it has been nuts. :embarassed:

Anyway, my 1911 purchases, and likely all firearm purchases, for the rest of year are the Morris Custom that's already paid for and the EMF Hartford at my shop. That will then be a total of 57 in my collection. I'm stopping at 60, so it will leave three for 2011 or 2012. After that, there are several other hanguns I'm looking to pick up in the non-1911 catagory. In fact, I'll probably pick up some of them long before completing my 1911 collection.

After talking to James, I believe he is also going to stop at 60. However, I would like him to get to 58 this year, so I can post a big CONGRATULATIONS! :supergrin:

jrs93accord
07-21-2010, 18:31
:rofl:

Yeah, it has been nuts. :embarassed:

Anyway, my 1911 purchases, and likely all firearm purchases, for the rest of year are the Morris Custom that's already paid for and the EMF Hartford at my shop. That will then be a total of 57 in my collection. I'm stopping at 60, so it will leave three for 2011 or 2012. After that, there are several other hanguns I'm looking to pick up in the non-1911 catagory. In fact, I'll probably pick up some of them long before completing my 1911 collection.

After talking to James, I believe he is also going to stop at 60. However, I would like him to get to 58 this year, so I can post a big CONGRATULATIONS! :supergrin:

Stopping at 60 is my plan as well. I need to refocus my attention towards my WWII collection as well as a couple more areas.

38 Super Fan
07-21-2010, 18:47
That magazine seems kind of out of place, other than that its very nice, thanks for posting.

bac1023
07-21-2010, 18:53
That magazine seems kind of out of place, other than that its very nice, thanks for posting.

Well, that's easily remedied.

Those ACT-MAGS are pretty much what all the Armscor built 1911s come with.

It just looks out of place on this.

bac1023
07-21-2010, 18:56
Stopping at 60 is my plan as well. I need to refocus my attention towards my WWII collection as well as a couple more areas.

No doubt.

I have a list of about 20 other autos I want, not counting the last three 1911s.

One of them is that unfired FEG GKK-45 I was telling you about. I looked at it again today. Its beautiful. The bluing is very nice. :)

BOGE
07-21-2010, 18:57
Bac, how about some close ups of that Roscoe? Especially the slide legend. BTW, is it a cast frame and/or MIM? I know little about the Phil. guns.

bac1023
07-21-2010, 19:05
Bac, how about some close ups of that Roscoe? Especially the slide legend. BTW, is it a cast frame and/or MIM? I know little about the Phil. guns.

The frames are cast, BOGE.

I'll try to get some close ups of the slide tomorrow. :)

I do like the roll marking. I think its in good taste how they decided to do it, especially with all the ridiculous roll marking on some of these new models lately. :upeyes:

jrs93accord
07-21-2010, 19:19
Well, that's easily remedied.

Those ACT-MAGS are pretty much what all the Armscor built 1911s come with.

It just looks out of place on this.

We have a gunshow coming up near the end of August. There is usually a guy there that sells some USGI equipment. I am going to see if I can find a tinned magazine for it. If not, a plain USGI magazine will suffice. The magazine the Cimarron comes with is definitely out of place.

joecoastie
07-21-2010, 20:35
I was perfectly happy with my one and only 1911, until I started reading threads here in the 1911 forum! Now I NEED a Kimber Custom Carry, a Remington R1, and now one of these Cimarron 1911s. I have somewhat of a WWII handgun collection that I have going and just to keep things within my budget for the time being I am including replicas as well as originals. Would the Cimarron be the same configuration as a WWII era 1911?

BayouGlocker
07-21-2010, 20:46
GAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just when I get settled on a Kimber Pro Carry, you go posting pics of full sized steel framed guns!!!!!!!!! Now I gotta go look at that stainless steel Springfield Armory GI tomorrow!!! :crying:

Oh well, we'll see. I'll hold out as long as possible, but it's not easy wit all these nice pics being posted...

Very nice gun though. :supergrin:

HAIL CAESAR
07-21-2010, 20:58
Bac, how about some close ups of that Roscoe? Especially the slide legend. BTW, is it a cast frame and/or MIM? I know little about the Phil. guns.

Count me in for wanting to see the slide markings of the Roscoe!

Taroman
07-21-2010, 21:09
Would the Cimarron be the same configuration as a WWII era 1911?


Joe, I feel your pain. My new Remington R1 is great. And a Cimmaron would be nice, too.

That said, many years ago I purchased a WW2 era 1911 from a fellow soldier who had gotten it straight from DCM back in the day. It was stamped AA, which IIRC, denoted an Augusta Arsenal rebuild. It was parkerized overall, and had been fitted with 1911A1 MSH, grip safety, hammer(?), trigger and plastic grip panels. Still had the tiny WW1 sights, however. It seemed arsenal fresh. I took it to the qualification range at Ft. Stewart and easily shot expert with it. MUCH tighter and nicer that the old arms room beaters we normally used. Sadly, I sold it when I retired and moved overseas.

http://www.hverovhe.com/army_lg.png

joecoastie
07-21-2010, 21:26
Joe, I feel your pain. My new Remington R1 is great. And a Cimmaron would be nice, too.

That said, many years ago I purchased a WW2 era 1911 from a fellow soldier who had gotten it straight from DCM back in the day. It was stamped AA, which IIRC, denoted an Augusta Arsenal rebuild. It was parkerized overall, and had been fitted with 1911A1 MSH, grip safety, hammer(?), trigger and plastic grip panels. Still had the tiny WW1 sights, however. It seemed arsenal fresh. I took it to the qualification range at Ft. Stewart and easily shot expert with it. MUCH tighter and nicer that the old arms room beaters we normally used. Sadly, I sold it when I retired and moved overseas.

http://www.hverovhe.com/army_lg.png

That's good to hear about the Remington, haven't seen one in person yet, but I haven't heard anything bad either. Cool story about your 1911, I bet you miss it!

Taroman
07-21-2010, 21:36
Over 1000 rounds through the R1 so far, every type weight and shape zero malfunctions.

Shoots 1 hole groups with everything. I did swap for a long trigger and blued bushing.

http://www.hverovhe.com/1911r1.jpg

Sure like to see a range report on the Cimmaron. Have a S&W M&P that I'd trade in a heartbeat if the Cimmaron is a shooter.

http://www.hverovhe.com/army_lg.png

bac1023
07-21-2010, 21:38
I was perfectly happy with my one and only 1911, until I started reading threads here in the 1911 forum! Now I NEED a Kimber Custom Carry, a Remington R1, and now one of these Cimarron 1911s. I have somewhat of a WWII handgun collection that I have going and just to keep things within my budget for the time being I am including replicas as well as originals. Would the Cimarron be the same configuration as a WWII era 1911?

Joe, the Cimarron is supposed to simulate a WWI 1911, not WWII. :)

WWII 1911s are different.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/034.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/041.jpg

Taroman
07-21-2010, 21:48
That's a 1911A1. There were 1911s still in service and/or rearsenaled in WW2. They would have had the A1 parts added when overhauled.

joecoastie
07-21-2010, 21:48
Joe, the Cimarron is supposed to simulate a WWI 1911, not WWII. :)

WWII 1911s are different.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/034.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/041.jpg
Very Nice!

I wondered if that wasn't the case. If I wanted a WWII replica what be some models to look at? Preferably in the sub 1K range if that is realistic.

bac1023
07-21-2010, 21:52
That's a 1911A1. There were 1911s still in service and/or rearsenaled in WW2. They would have had the A1 parts added when overhauled.

Oh yeah. I was speaking about the Cimarron. The Remington Rand I just posted was built during WWII.

bac1023
07-21-2010, 21:54
Very Nice!

I wondered if that wasn't the case. If I wanted a WWII replica what be some models to look at? Preferably in the sub 1K range if that is realistic.

Joe, all the USGI replicas built these days are based on WWII 1911A1s.

That's why I was saying the Cimarron is different. :)

lawdog734
07-21-2010, 21:58
Congrats on yet another nice gun.

joecoastie
07-21-2010, 22:19
Joe, all the USGI replicas built these days are based on WWII 1911A1s.

That's why I was saying the Cimarron is different. :)

Good to know! Now in addition to the Pro Carry, R1, and Cimarron I need a USGI. :supergrin: Oh, and apologies for the thread hijacking.

jrs93accord
07-22-2010, 01:49
I was perfectly happy with my one and only 1911, until I started reading threads here in the 1911 forum! Now I NEED a Kimber Custom Carry, a Remington R1, and now one of these Cimarron 1911s. I have somewhat of a WWII handgun collection that I have going and just to keep things within my budget for the time being I am including replicas as well as originals. Would the Cimarron be the same configuration as a WWII era 1911?

The Cimarron is more of a 1911 replica. It closely resembles the 1918 Colt 1911. WWII era pistols are 1911A1s.

1918 Colt 1911
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/DSC00741.jpg

joecoastie
07-22-2010, 10:31
The Cimarron is more of a 1911 replica. It closely resembles the 1918 Colt 1911. WWII era pistols are 1911A1s.

1918 Colt 1911
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/DSC00741.jpg

Wow, that's cool! Something about an older gun that has obviously been used and carried, it really gives you a sense of history.

bac1023
07-22-2010, 14:30
The Cimarron is more of a 1911 replica. It closely resembles the 1918 Colt 1911. WWII era pistols are 1911A1s.

1918 Colt 1911
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/DSC00741.jpg

James, when you get your Cimarron, maybe one of your pics could include that Colt for comparison. :)

jrs93accord
07-22-2010, 14:40
That is a great idea. Sounds like a plan.

bac1023
07-22-2010, 15:05
Bac, how about some close ups of that Roscoe? Especially the slide legend.

Count me in for wanting to see the slide markings of the Roscoe!


I'll try to get some close ups of the slide tomorrow. :)

I do like the roll marking. I think its in good taste how they decided to do it, especially with all the ridiculous roll marking on some of these new models lately. :upeyes:


As promised guys. :)

I believe the marking left of the logo is the same as Colt's to the letter (or number :)).


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/003-13.jpg

BOGE
07-22-2010, 16:11
Thanks Bac, very subtle & tasteful legend on that piece.

bac1023
07-22-2010, 17:55
Thanks Bac, very subtle & tasteful legend on that piece.

Thanks BOGE.

I agree they did a nice job with it.

KalashniKEV
07-23-2010, 21:23
Looks good, but I think it would have been better executed without the circle on the horsey... perhaps if they just had the 2 lines of text and swapped Colt for Cinnabun...

eddief4
07-23-2010, 21:56
Hey Brian, is it me or does the Cimarron look a little....Used?:headscratch:

it might just be me mistaking gun oil for finish wear though:dunno:

bac1023
07-24-2010, 04:50
Hey Brian, is it me or does the Cimarron look a little....Used?:headscratch:

it might just be me mistaking gun oil for finish wear though:dunno:

Armscor guns are always packed in a lot of oil. Those blotches are caused by me not wiping the gun down enough.

Gary1911A1
07-24-2010, 09:57
Very nice. If I had the money I'd try one as a shooter. If I see one in a shop and it looks good I might have to buy it.

eddief4
07-24-2010, 18:36
Armscor guns are always packed in a lot of oil. Those blotches are caused by me not wiping the gun down enough.



ooh ok Brian. guess i was just looking to much into it is all:supergrin:


congrats buddy!:wavey:

bac1023
07-24-2010, 19:23
ooh ok Brian. guess i was just looking to much into it is all:supergrin:


congrats buddy!:wavey:

Thanks Eddie :)

Cobra64
07-24-2010, 19:31
I like the Cimarron. It's simple and all business looking.

Congrats Brian.

bac1023
07-24-2010, 19:32
I like the Cimarron. It's simple and all business looking.

Congrats Brian.

Thanks Mark.

There's a whole bunch of new 1911s for you to see on your next trip up my way. :)

Cobra64
07-24-2010, 19:41
I think it is a good looking gun! I love seeing the old styled classics.

That's why 1911s shouldn't have fricken tac rails on 'em.

bac1023
07-24-2010, 19:45
That's why 1911s shouldn't have fricken tac rails on 'em.

:agree:

Cobra64
07-24-2010, 19:51
Thanks Mark.

There's a whole bunch of new 1911s for you to see on your next trip up my way. :)

:cool:

Karen and I are looking forward to it.

Since she saw (part) of your collection, she leaves me alone when I'm thinking of buying more guns.

She told the kids about the first time we visited of seeing 30+ 1911s on the dining room table, and when we got to talking about Korths, Walthers, HKs, Sigs, Bren Ten, Coonan, Desert Eagle... you just said, "I'll go upstairs and bring that down..." She said that I must have worn you out having you go upstairs retrieving more pistols. :rofl:

It's a great story. :supergrin:

bac1023
07-24-2010, 19:57
:cool:

Karen and I are looking forward to it.

Since she saw (part) of your collection, she leaves me alone when I'm thinking of buying more guns.

She told the kids about the first time we visited of seeing 30+ 1911s on the dining room table, and when we got to talking about Korths, Walthers, HKs, Sigs, Bren Ten, Coonan, Desert Eagle... you just said, "I'll go upstairs and bring that down..." She said that I must have worn you out having you go upstairs retrieving more pistols. :rofl:

It's a great story. :supergrin:


That's cool Mark. Glad to hear.

Hopefully, I'll have my new Morris by the time you two get back to PA. I should have it in a month or so, I'd imagine. It went out for hard chrome finishing last week. Mark Morris said they usually run 2-3 weeks at the vender. After that, he needs to reassemble and test fire it.

Should be a beauty. :)

Cobra64
07-24-2010, 22:07
That's cool Mark. Glad to hear.

Hopefully, I'll have my new Morris by the time you two get back to PA. I should have it in a month or so, I'd imagine. It went out for hard chrome finishing last week. Mark Morris said they usually run 2-3 weeks at the vender. After that, he needs to reassemble and test fire it.

Should be a beauty. :)

Can't wait to see your latest! Send pictures.

We're leaving for Europe in a few weeks, won't be back in the States until mid-September, and don't know when we'll be travelling by your house on the way up to NY again.

bac1023
07-25-2010, 08:18
Sounds like a great trip Mark. :wavey: