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Trey83
07-22-2010, 15:16
I went to the range today with my Trojan and had less than favorable results. I loaded my first mag and got about 6 rounds fired before.........1st FTE followed by 3-4 more. I thought maybe it was the ammo so I switched ammo only to have one FTE after another. After I went through roughly 7 more FTE's in a row I knew there was an issue other than ammo so I put the gun away . When I got home I field stripped the gun to find that the barrel link had broke in half :crying:.

http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq301/whitestang04/DSC_1743.jpg

glock2740
07-22-2010, 15:24
Sorry to hear that. That sucks. New gun? I'm eager to hear what STI says and does.

bac1023
07-22-2010, 15:25
Sorry to hear that. That sucks. New gun? I'm eager to hear what STI says and does.

Yeah, he just got it.

That's very surprising, but STI should hook you up.

Rabbit Creek
07-22-2010, 15:38
Waiting for pics, are they using MIM for barrel links? I recall a bad lot of mag catches supplied to DW

Trey83
07-22-2010, 15:53
Waiting for pics, are they using MIM for barrel links? I recall a bad lot of mag catches supplied to DW
I really don't know if the link is MIM or not :dunno:


I just got off the phone with Dave from STI. Nice guy, he gave me an RA# and said they would have it back as soon as possible. I should have it shipped out soon. I will keep you guys updated with the outcome. I am disapointed but am confident that STI will fix the gun in a timely fashion.

Jason D
07-22-2010, 15:58
Why not just have them send you a new link?

bac1023
07-22-2010, 15:58
I really don't know if the link is MIM or not :dunno:


I just got off the phone with Dave from STI. Nice guy, he gave me an RA# and said they would have it back as soon as possible. I should have it shipped out soon. I will keep you guys updated with the outcome. I am disapointed but am confident that STI will fix the gun in a timely fashion.

It is unfortunate, but it should be fixed without delay. :)

Eyescream
07-22-2010, 16:02
…are they using MIM for barrel links?

http://www.twelve56creative.com/pics/forumlulz/krazy.gif

Trey83
07-22-2010, 16:05
Why not just have them send you a new link?

That was my first thought. I am mechanically inclined and could change the link easily enough. The reason I didn't just ask them to send my a link is because I don't know if the link was causing the FTE's or if there was something else wrong that caused the link to break. If I knew it was JUST the link I would just request that they just send me a new one. If that makes any sense :dunno:

BOGE
07-22-2010, 16:07
Why not just have them send you a new link?

Because links have to be precision fitted. They are not a ¨drop in¨ part.

drc767
07-22-2010, 16:24
Nothing worse than a busted Trojan.....

Trey83
07-22-2010, 16:34
Nothing worse than a busted Trojan.....

At least this one won't result in any mini Treys running around :rofl:

FLglockdude
07-22-2010, 16:38
Nothing worse than a busted Trojan.....

:rofl:

I see what you did there.

rsxr22
07-22-2010, 16:55
sti will definitely make it right very quickly! Everytime i have had an issue or question they have always done more than needed to accomadate

samuse
07-22-2010, 17:12
Nothing worse than a busted Trojan.....


Post of the day!

samuse
07-22-2010, 17:13
I had a Springfield G.I. with a link just like that.:shocked:

Jason D
07-22-2010, 17:23
Because links have to be precision fitted. They are not a ¨drop in¨ part.

I have never seen one that wasn't a drop in part.
You'd just have to know the right length.

Trey83
07-22-2010, 17:23
I had a Springfield G.I. with a link just like that.:shocked:

How did it turn out for you? More details please.

Hokie1911
07-22-2010, 17:26
Nothing worse than a busted Trojan.....

Well played, sir. :thumbsup:

Hokie1911
07-22-2010, 17:27
I just got off the phone with Dave from STI. Nice guy, he gave me an RA# and said they would have it back as soon as possible. I should have it shipped out soon. I will keep you guys updated with the outcome. I am disapointed but am confident that STI will fix the gun in a timely fashion.

I believe that's how Mr Serva initially advised Caesar. :whistling:

98_1LE
07-22-2010, 17:30
My escort had ejection issues when new, and STI service was spectacular.

Trey83
07-22-2010, 17:37
I believe that's how Mr Serva initially advised Caesar. :whistling:
hell hath no fury like a man without his 1911. I don't share the same patience that Alan has. I would be all over them. I don't think that will be the case though. I really hope Alan's situation is taken care of soon.

My escort had ejection issues when new, and STI service was spectacular.

That is good to hear.

bac1023
07-22-2010, 18:09
Nothing worse than a busted Trojan.....

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

bac1023
07-22-2010, 18:10
hell hath no fury like a man without his 1911. I don't share the same patience that Alan has. I would be all over them. I don't think that will be the case though. I really hope Alan's situation is taken care of soon.



:agree:

That man has got to be a saint. :wow:

hackinpeat
07-22-2010, 18:11
beat me to it... I was picturing a condom customer service rep explaining that the company would not pay child support.

samuse
07-22-2010, 21:31
How did it turn out for you? More details please.

Well the link pin wasn't staked or peened on from the factory, so I went to a local guy who builds 1911s and he gave me a link that fit.

It worked for about another 600 rounds then the extractor broke. I sold it after that. I'm not knockin' the S.A. G.I., it's a good plinker, but I wouldn't carry one. I sold it because the triggerguard was thin toward the frontstrap and the barrel fit was sloppy. I got it for $475 NIB. I guess it was worth that much, but it wasn't worth fixin' up.

I hate front cocking serrations and I went through THREE Mil-Specs and that G.I. I never had one worth building, so I gave up on Springfields bottom end stuff. I still toy with the idea of getting a Springfield Custom though. They're top notch.

I bought a NRM Colt, had a few minor issues with that one, but it's tip-top now. I'm kinda picky, if a 1911 ain't almost cosmetically perfect, I won't spend a dime on it to fix it up.

GlockRik
07-22-2010, 22:00
Waiting for pics, are they using MIM for barrel links? I recall a bad lot of mag catches supplied to DW

The link should not be bearing the force of the recoil if fitted properly.

My Trojan link is not mim, but even if it was, it's the lugs that stop rear travel.

Best,
Rik

Trey83
07-22-2010, 22:17
The link should not be bearing the force of the recoil if fitted properly.

My Trojan link is not mim, but even if it was, it's the lugs that stop rear travel.

Best,
Rik

That's true if everything is fitted properly. I did a little research and found that it is possible to have the link take the force of recoil. There is a test you can perform to see if the barrel lug is locking on the link or the frame however the link has to be intact to check.

Jim S.
07-23-2010, 12:16
I have never seen one that wasn't a drop in part.
You'd just have to know the right length.

Agreed.

The picture looks like a MiM part or a really lousy casting.

BOGE
07-23-2010, 15:31
I have never seen one that wasn't a drop in part.
You'd just have to know the right length.

Agreed.

The picture looks like a MiM part or a really lousy casting.


This is assuming this person knows how to do this as well as measure PRECISELY and not with some cheap POS plastic calipers and that he can stake it as well. Just my two cents. :whistling:

Spiffums
07-23-2010, 15:49
I have never had this kinda problem with my Gloc...... err Kimber. :supergrin:

KalashniKEV
07-23-2010, 17:55
You only bust a Trojan once before you go Lifestyles "Tuxedo."

They also help with... nevermind.:supergrin:

At least busting this "Trojan" you'll still have a gun budget to speak of. And after dealing with "CS" you won't have to face the judgment of a whole pack of anti-choice GTers. :rofl:

KalashniKEV
07-23-2010, 18:04
After thinking about this for a bit I'm kind of happy that I have a GI barrel and internals in my new parts gun M1911A1... I should bookmark this thread on my phone so when I go to the range I can rant about inferior MIM parts... :supergrin:

bluelineman
07-24-2010, 08:57
My escort had ejection issues when new, and STI service was spectacular.

Escort...trojan...bunch of horny bastages over there at STI. :rofl:

BuckyP
07-24-2010, 15:31
I have never seen one that wasn't a drop in part.
You'd just have to know the right length.

This is especially important when dealing with a Trojan. :tongueout:

BTW: I've had great dealings with STI and had no doubt they'd make it right.

Jason D
07-24-2010, 16:32
This is assuming this person knows how to do this as well as measure PRECISELY and not with some cheap POS plastic calipers and that he can stake it as well. Just my two cents. :whistling:

Changing a link is easy, as is doing other little tweeks to a .45.
You are right though about being precise in your measurements.

FM12
07-25-2010, 14:27
Broken part LOOKS to be eitherpoorly cast or faulty MIM (gasp) Just saying is all.Mighty porous looking metal.

GlockRik
07-25-2010, 14:46
The link does look cast, which is kind of disappointing in a STI. replacing is easy, but it still needs to be determined that the lugs and frame are fitted correctly.

I would definitely send the gun back to STI. They will make it right. I have several 1911, including 2 that I have built. I think my 9mm Trojan is the best buy for the money (IDPA, IPSC and steel) that I have bought.

JMHO,
Rik

Trey83
07-25-2010, 19:51
After thinking about this for a bit I'm kind of happy that I have a GI barrel and internals in my new parts gun M1911A1... I should bookmark this thread on my phone so when I go to the range I can rant about inferior MIM parts... :supergrin:


Broken part LOOKS to be eitherpoorly cast or faulty MIM (gasp) Just saying is all.Mighty porous looking metal.

The link does look cast, which is kind of disappointing in a STI. replacing is easy, but it still needs to be determined that the lugs and frame are fitted correctly.

I would definitely send the gun back to STI. They will make it right. I have several 1911, including 2 that I have built. I think my 9mm Trojan is the best buy for the money (IDPA, IPSC and steel) that I have bought.

JMHO,
Rik

Guys, I don't want this to turn into a STI/MIM bashing thread. I love my STI Trojan and would have no problem buying another or recommending them so long as they resolve the problem in a reasonable amount of time. It is unrealistic to expect any mass produced product to have a flawless run and the simple fact is that STI has a GREAT reputation for building reliable products.

The reason I started this thread is to inform members of my personal experience with STI's CS. To this point they have been helpful and given me no cause for concern. I will continue to update this thread as things progress.

RH45
07-25-2010, 19:56
Hmm, I'm wondering if maybe the barrel isn't fitted properly to the frame, putting all the stress on the link::shocked:

I would think that STI will make it right.

Trey83
07-25-2010, 20:06
Hmm, I'm wondering if maybe the barrel isn't fitted properly to the frame, putting all the stress on the link::shocked:

I would think that STI will make it right.

I was wondering the same thing. That's why I was more comfortable sending it in to have them take a look at it.

bac1023
07-25-2010, 20:49
I was wondering the same thing. That's why I was more comfortable sending it in to have them take a look at it.

It should come back good as new. :)

BlayGlock
07-25-2010, 21:51
Ive had to use STI CS once. My Shadow's front sight was really dim out of the box. I called them and thier lead smith had me send it back in. I had it back within the week. No muss, no hassle.

Adionik
07-25-2010, 22:16
I thought I was in off topic and therefore expected a totally different thread.....

Trey83
08-12-2010, 19:41
I received my Trojan back from STI today and was able to get to the range. Overall every thing seems to be fine. My front sight was pushed to the right even though it hit POA/POI before I sent it out. Now it shoots a little to the right so I'm not sure why it was moved :dunno: That's an easy fix though so I'm fine with it.

When I got to the range I put 50 rounds of Federal 230 Gr. FMJ without any failures. Then I shot 100 rounds of Georgia Arms reloads also 230 Gr. FMJ and had 4 or 5 failures to fully return to battery. I don't know if this was the ammo or the gun. When I field stripped it to clean it I found what appeared to be brass shavings on the frame beneath the breach face. Is there any thing in particular I should check for?

Here is a picture of shavings on the frame.
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq301/whitestang04/DSC_1782.jpg

glock2740
08-12-2010, 19:45
Nothing worse than a busted Trojan.....
:rofl:

Trey83
08-12-2010, 20:55
I forgot to mention the work and checks that were performed by STI while they had it.

-Replaced broken link and checked barrel timing.
-Checked barrel chamber depth & ramp/throat.
-Checked extractor tension.
-Performed safety check.
-Test fired pistol with 35 rounds without any malfunctions.

Hokie1911
08-12-2010, 21:10
I forgot to mention the work and checks that were performed by STI while they had it.

-Replaced broken link and checked barrel timing.
-Checked barrel chamber depth & ramp/throat.
-Checked extractor tension.
-Performed safety check.
-Test fired pistol with 35 rounds without any malfunctions.

35 BANGS and no breakage? :rofl:

Trey83
08-12-2010, 21:20
35 BANGS and no breakage? :rofl:

That must have taken some time :rofl: