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frank4570
07-24-2010, 09:48
I know what I want. I want a normal size gun with a lot of power, just for fun.

NO comp or ported barrel. And more power than the 10mm. I think the 45 Super is pretty close to the 10mm.
So, I think that only leaves the LAR grizzly which is no longer produced.
Desert Eagle and Wildey are both huge. And the 460 Rowland is strictly a comped affair.
Have I missed anything?

Feel free to chime in, I'm just bouncing around ideas.

Snapper2
07-24-2010, 10:26
A friend of mine has an AMT 45 win mag thats very fun to shoot. I believe he had it ported though.

frank4570
07-24-2010, 10:39
A friend of mine has an AMT 45 win mag thats very fun to shoot. I believe he had it ported though.

How did you like the trigger on that? I assume it is a single action?
It's a shame they don't make them anymore.

Snapper2
07-24-2010, 11:17
How did you like the trigger on that? I assume it is a single action?
It's a shame they don't make them anymore.

Very nice trigger from what I remember(S/A). Lots of power too! He paid $600 I believe and had a gunsmith to drill a few ports in the barrel, replace a few springs. Very nice looking gun. Pretty cool for woods carry.:cool:

481
07-24-2010, 11:56
I know what I want. I want a normal size gun with a lot of power, just for fun.

NO comp or ported barrel. And more power than the 10mm. I think the 45 Super is pretty close to the 10mm.
So, I think that only leaves the LAR grizzly which is no longer produced.
Desert Eagle and Wildey are both huge. And the 460 Rowland is strictly a comped affair.
Have I missed anything?

Feel free to chime in, I'm just bouncing around ideas.


"Normal size" and "lots of power" are rather ambiguous qualities and likely mutually exclusive.

MSgt Dotson
07-24-2010, 12:03
Wilson COmbat offers the 1911 in a heavy barrel/bushingless (and comp-less) 5.5" pistol in .460....

frank4570
07-24-2010, 12:22
Wilson COmbat offers the 1911 in a heavy barrel/bushingless (and comp-less) 5.5" pistol in .460....

Oh, wow. That sounds about right.

frank4570
07-24-2010, 12:29
Wilson COmbat offers the 1911 in a heavy barrel/bushingless (and comp-less) 5.5" pistol in .460....

Holy crap! Well, I never said anything about price.

Base Price Starting At

$3,650.00

dosei
07-24-2010, 14:08
Holy crap! Well, I never said anything about price.

Base Price Starting At

$3,650.00

...were you actually under the delusion that a "normal sized" handgun chambered in a caliber that is abnormally large & powerful for normal sized handguns would actually be affordable???

:rofl:

frank4570
07-24-2010, 14:43
...were you actually under the delusion that a "normal sized" handgun chambered in a caliber that is abnormally large & powerful for normal sized handguns would actually be affordable???

:rofl:

Clearly.

I guess it's made of magic metal.

Probably comes in a cardboard box, though.

_The_Shadow
07-24-2010, 15:01
I'd say pull you head out the sand and be satisfied with a 10mm pistol, more than enough power for what needs to be shot. If you feel the need for that much power go get a rifle, big bore hand gun to satifiy your urges for power.

Real world semi autos like the 10mm pack quite a punch, it is what I carry and I don't feel the need for more power inside a 100yards.

mickdundie
07-24-2010, 15:21
How about the 44MAG 'AUTOMAG' Dirty Harry's gun in the later movie's

I;m pretty sure I know a place that has one. Can't remember the price...I believe it was around a $1000 NIB Chromed too, just like Harry's

Mick:thumbsup:

Free Radical
07-24-2010, 15:25
Frank, what do you have against revolvers?

walt cowan
07-24-2010, 15:40
what about 30 carbine?

frank4570
07-24-2010, 15:48
Frank, what do you have against revolvers?

The thing I don't like about revolvers is the horrendous blast that comes out at the cylinder gap.
I couple years back I had been carrying my 10mm for quite a while. Had done lots of cool stuff with it. Killed foxes, deer, shot competition, all kinds of stuff. But I decided to try a Smith 41 mag. So I got one, and loaded up some mid range ammo that roughly duplicated the top end stuff in my 10mm. I shot it for a while and liked it a lot. Then I realized at some point I was going to have to shoot this thing without hearing protection eventually, when dogs are attacking my livestock I'm not walking back to the house for ear plugs.
I took it out back and fired ONE shot with no protection. It about wiped my ears off my head. I've never done that again. My 10mm auto never caused such noise to hit me.
Never again. No more revolvers for me.

frank4570
07-24-2010, 15:50
Have you been paying attention? Try reading everything again.

I'd say pull you head out the sand and be satisfied with a 10mm pistol, more than enough power for what needs to be shot. If you feel the need for that much power go get a rifle, big bore hand gun to satifiy your urges for power.

Real world semi autos like the 10mm pack quite a punch, it is what I carry and I don't feel the need for more power inside a 100yards.

frank4570
07-24-2010, 15:56
I've never put my hands on an automag. But I would honestly be afraid to fire one. Because if something broke or wore out, there are not replacement parts to be had. I'd look at them if they still made them.

IHow about the 44MAG 'AUTOMAG' Dirty Harry's gun in the later movie's

I;m pretty sure I know a place that has one. Can't remember the price...I believe it was around a $1000 NIB Chromed too, just like Harry's

Mick:thumbsup:

walt cowan
07-24-2010, 15:57
what about 30 carbine?

amt made one on a 1911 platform. bet glock could do the same on a 20.

frank4570
07-24-2010, 16:08
amt made one on a 1911 platform. bet glock could do the same on a 20.

I read about the 30 carbine a long time ago. I had thought they said they were only good for varmint hunting, very light bullets going moderately fast. It was a long time ago.

walt cowan
07-24-2010, 16:25
I read about the 30 carbine a long time ago. I had thought they said they were only good for varmint hunting, very light bullets going moderately fast. It was a long time ago.

at 100 yards or so, yes. at handgun ranges of 75 feet or less, does a bit better.

frank4570
07-24-2010, 16:49
at 100 yards or so, yes. at handgun ranges of 75 feet or less, does a bit better.

I'll look into it. Thanks!

_The_Shadow
07-24-2010, 18:55
Frank, I know what you are saying, so I don't have to re-read anything you stated...What you ask for doesn't exist in normal sized semiauto period! The closest thing would be the 10mm Magnum and there or a few to be had, but try to find commercial ammo, you would be rolling your on here.

But if you did deep into your pocket and pull out enough money you could get a good gunsmith to play around and produce you something that might fill your desire. 1911 in 50AE caliber may be to your liking!

But here are the problems, longer cartridges, longer grip handle front to back, Longer travel of the slide, Slide with more mass to accomadate the extra energy, hence gas operated operations, bigger diameter cartridges single stack or wider grip handle, used in the big semiautos, Magazines would need to be specially custom made, this surely doesn't fit most hands and the weight becomes cumbersome at best. What you're thinking of would be custom designed, limited parts, possibly one of a kind because of limited marketing.
Also to get the top performance you would need a longer barrel to facilitate better accuracy, and higher velocity to provide performance.

Basicly what you seek power wise maybe done in a carbine rifle.

Best regards

Berto
07-24-2010, 19:12
I'd just do a super conversion on a 1911.

frank4570
07-24-2010, 19:39
.460 Rowland - 185 grain jacketed hollow point at 1550 fps, a 200 grain jacketed hollow point at 1450 fps, and a 230 grain jacketed hollow point at 1340 fps. That's hot. And it's in a normal 1911 size pistol.
I'm just too cheap to spend the $4000.00 to buy it.

dougader
07-24-2010, 19:53
Aside from a 460 Roland, and seeing as you don't want a revolver... then I guess you're stuck with a single shot handgun like the TC Contender or Encore.

Grab one of those handcanons from JD Jones in his 375 JDJ. :wow:

uz2bUSMC
07-24-2010, 19:54
Frank,

Google "45-08". Not the .460, but close.

j-glock22
07-24-2010, 19:59
I guess you didn't mention any price caps in your original post....

ldrichard
07-24-2010, 20:20
.50GI made by Guncrafters Industries.

http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/model1_50gi.shtml

frank4570
07-24-2010, 21:08
Ah, I've got one of those. My big barrel is a 45-70. You would be surprised how light that thing is once the barrel is bored out big enough for the 45-70. Only gun that has tore the skin off my hand just from the friction. Definitely too much of a good thing.

Aside from a 460 Roland, and seeing as you don't want a revolver... then I guess you're stuck with a single shot handgun like the TC Contender or Encore.

Grab one of those handcanons from JD Jones in his 375 JDJ. :wow:

frank4570
07-24-2010, 21:11
Frank,

Google "45-08". Not the .460, but close.

You know, I have read up on that thing. I'm not sure what to make of it. I tried to contact the guy a while back to get some ready made brass. But this really is "flying by the seat of your pants" stuff.

uz2bUSMC
07-24-2010, 21:51
You know, I have read up on that thing. I'm not sure what to make of it. I tried to contact the guy a while back to get some ready made brass. But this really is "flying by the seat of your pants" stuff.

You been around for awhile, I'm sure you could figure it out.:supergrin:

Eye pro, kevlar gloves, mouthpiece... all set.

mickdundie
07-25-2010, 05:59
Ah, I've got one of those. My big barrel is a 45-70. You would be surprised how light that thing is once the barrel is bored out big enough for the 45-70. Only gun that has tore the skin off my hand just from the friction. Definitely too much of a good thing.

That should be in the dictionary as the definition of: TOO MUCH OF A GOOD THING:rofl:

frank4570
07-25-2010, 08:03
You been around for awhile, I'm sure you could figure it out.:supergrin:

Eye pro, kevlar gloves, mouthpiece... all set.

Good lord. Sounds like a an exciting day at the range.:rofl:

Glock1911
07-25-2010, 12:17
I'm not convinced that the 45-08 is any better than the .45 Super.

uz2bUSMC
07-25-2010, 19:08
I'm not convinced that the 45-08 is any better than the .45 Super.

I'm guessing then that you have not taken a look at it. The 10mm actually puts out more horsepower than the .45 sup, the .45-08 sits in the .44 mag department. It's kinda like this, there is no SAAMI limit for the .45 sup but the brass can only handle so much... there's no SAAMI for the .45-08 but the brass can handle much more.

uz2bUSMC
07-25-2010, 19:12
Good lord. Sounds like a an exciting day at the range.:rofl:

Eh man, you said you're after the real deal Holyfield in autos, whatya want? Load it up, pucker up, pull the trigger.:supergrin:

DonD
07-25-2010, 19:26
The thing I don't like about revolvers is the horrendous blast that comes out at the cylinder gap.
I couple years back I had been carrying my 10mm for quite a while. Had done lots of cool stuff with it. Killed foxes, deer, shot competition, all kinds of stuff. But I decided to try a Smith 41 mag. So I got one, and loaded up some mid range ammo that roughly duplicated the top end stuff in my 10mm. I shot it for a while and liked it a lot. Then I realized at some point I was going to have to shoot this thing without hearing protection eventually, when dogs are attacking my livestock I'm not walking back to the house for ear plugs.
I took it out back and fired ONE shot with no protection. It about wiped my ears off my head. I've never done that again. My 10mm auto never caused such noise to hit me.
Never again. No more revolvers for me.

I've been shooting S&W .500 Mags for over 7yrs now. There is plenty of muzzle blast but you never notice the blast from the barrel/cylinder gap.

Shooting w/o hearing protection? That's not smart with any centerfire handgun, probably not a good idea even with a .22LR. Your call. Don

gatorboy
07-26-2010, 08:19
I know you said the DE is huge and it is. I have thought of converting a 357mag slide and barrel to 10mm Magnum but makes no sense with me having a 6.5" 610. Very cheap conversion there. Not sure what it could do the 10mm could'nt w/o some excellent, LR target sights or scope and a very steady hand anyway.

Could 460 rowland not be shot in a Glock 21 with a 24 pound recoil spring? LWD makes 6" 45ACP slides that have plenty of weight to help with slide velocity and you're not wasting much with the 6" barrel. Minor reaming with an aftermarket barrel should be all that's needed. Hey, a Seattle Slug will give you a few more ounces behind the mag well and put a nice buffer between your hand and those 40k mini-kegs if worse comes to worse!

You might look at 45super velocities from a 6" tube, they may do something for you.

gatorboy
07-26-2010, 08:29
You been around for awhile, I'm sure you could figure it out.:supergrin:

Eye pro, kevlar gloves, mouthpiece... all set.

:rofl: you forgot the kevlar bib and full-face motorcycle helmet! :rofl:

DonD
07-26-2010, 08:50
Personally, although I hardly consider myself a 1911 guru, I'm skeptical of the durability of that platform when subjected to cartridge energies nearly triple what the hardball ammo it was originally designed for develop.

Adding slide mass, increasing recoil spring weights and other addons simply seem to delay an inevitable rapid wear of the basic gun.

That contrasts with things like the X Frame S&W mags that were designed from the grip forward to handle extreme performance rounds. Don

frank4570
07-26-2010, 18:22
180grains at 1800fps, 200gr at 1500fps. That's the 40 Super. Unfortunately, it never got off the ground. CZ was going to produce pistols for this round before they backed out. It was a 45 Win mag case cut down and bottle necked to .40 caliber. I tried to put one together but I couldn't get parts.

bagballa
07-27-2010, 15:21
They are expensive. Grab a .460 PCenter and call it good.. 4inch barrel. Its gonna be loud witha comp but hard without plus you can shoot weaker for practice/comfort?

Theres krinkov pistols and vector.

Glock1911
07-27-2010, 15:34
I'm guessing then that you have not taken a look at it. The 10mm actually puts out more horsepower than the .45 sup, the .45-08 sits in the .44 mag department. It's kinda like this, there is no SAAMI limit for the .45 sup but the brass can only handle so much... there's no SAAMI for the .45-08 but the brass can handle much more.

No, I took a fairly close look at the 45-08 before I made that statement. The .45 Super can be loaded up to within 50fps of the loads listed for the 45-08, according to the data I read. I looked long and hard at the .45 Super and decided that the 10mm made more sense. But, the .45 Super makes more sense than the .45-08 given the problems of making the brass, or trying to easily locate the ammo. That's without even taking into consideration the extra wear and tear on the gun.
I'll stick with my G20 loaded with 230 gr. Double Tap ammo. Of course, I use a 22 lb. spring in that gun.

If I feel the need for anything bigger, I'll drag out my .454 Casull.

frank4570
07-27-2010, 16:24
Looks like you went down the same road I did, and came to the same place.


But I will say, that brass made from a .308 case "should" withstand a crap load more pressure than the 45 super.
Were talking brass built for over 60,000cup.
No, I took a fairly close look at the 45-08 before I made that statement. The .45 Super can be loaded up to within 50fps of the loads listed for the 45-08, according to the data I read. I looked long and hard at the .45 Super and decided that the 10mm made more sense. But, the .45 Super makes more sense than the .45-08 given the problems of making the brass, or trying to easily locate the ammo. That's without even taking into consideration the extra wear and tear on the gun.
I'll stick with my G20 loaded with 230 gr. Double Tap ammo. Of course, I use a 22 lb. spring in that gun.

If I feel the need for anything bigger, I'll drag out my .454 Casull.

Glockdude1
07-27-2010, 16:33
I know what I want. I want a normal size gun with a lot of power, just for fun.

NO comp or ported barrel. And more power than the 10mm. I think the 45 Super is pretty close to the 10mm.
So, I think that only leaves the LAR grizzly which is no longer produced.
Desert Eagle and Wildey are both huge. And the 460 Rowland is strictly a comped affair.
Have I missed anything?

Feel free to chime in, I'm just bouncing around ideas.

9x25 Dillon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9x25_Dillon

:supergrin:

frank4570
07-28-2010, 06:07
I just got my answer.I just got an email form the fellow who makes the 460 rowland. He said he makes a unit for my springfield XD, and he said I can get it without a comp if I want. At that point it is just a matter of deciding how much power I can handle.
185 grain bullet at 1550 fps 200 grain bullet at 1450 fps 230 grain bullet at 1340 fps

Glock1911
07-28-2010, 06:10
Rowland is working on a conversion for the Glock, also. Whenever it hits the market, I'll own one. Makes more sense than any of the other .45 hot rods, IMO.

frank4570
07-28-2010, 09:14
Rowland is working on a conversion for the Glock, also. Whenever it hits the market, I'll own one. Makes more sense than any of the other .45 hot rods, IMO.

Only problem is you can't run 45ACP in the same barrel. I'm thinking maybe the Rowland conversion with a 45ACP chamber then........back to the 45-08. As I understand it the only reason for the slight extra length of the rowland cartridge is to make sure those hot rounds can't be put into a regular 45 acp chamber. Cartridge OAL is still the same. It's just with the rowland the brass comes a little further up the outside of the bullet. The inside volume is still the same.

frank_drebin
07-28-2010, 09:28
I would love to convert one of my 45's to a .50 GI. That's a really cool round.

07 LMB Z06
07-28-2010, 15:37
.50GI made by Guncrafters Industries.

http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/model1_50gi.shtml

For "seriously powerful" a .50 GI is going to be a step down from 10mm, which the OP has already stated is not enough. The .50 GI is a big bullet moving at ~.45 ACP velocities (at least from what I remember during my short period of research).

I would love to convert one of my 45's to a .50 GI. That's a really cool round.

Power-wise I'm unimpressed. As far as bullet design goes I am intrigued. I am very curious about the performance of the all-copper .50 GI hollow points with the 4 large petals. They look pretty nasty. I wouldn't want one of those ninja stars cutting through me.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg264/crahockey11/balistics4.jpg

This potential .460 conversion for Glocks has also caught my interest. I hadn't heard about the round until reading this thread, but reading some of the posted stats it sounds bad ass. OP, if you do the conversion for your XD start a thread about it. I'd love to know how it all works out; I'm sure a Glock conversion for the same caliber would have very similar results.

frank4570
07-28-2010, 20:13
I'll tell you. I've killed deer with 180grain bullets from a 10mm at the same velocity. And I am totally confident with my opinion that flat point bullets are good for going deep AND cutting big holes. And that hollow points are good for avoiding over penetration. 1350fps.

uz2bUSMC
07-30-2010, 06:47
No, I took a fairly close look at the 45-08 before I made that statement. The .45 Super can be loaded up to within 50fps of the loads listed for the 45-08, according to the data I read. I looked long and hard at the .45 Super and decided that the 10mm made more sense. But, the .45 Super makes more sense than the .45-08 given the problems of making the brass, or trying to easily locate the ammo. That's without even taking into consideration the extra wear and tear on the gun.
I'll stick with my G20 loaded with 230 gr. Double Tap ammo. Of course, I use a 22 lb. spring in that gun.

If I feel the need for anything bigger, I'll drag out my .454 Casull.

If I'm not mistaken, I've seen .45-08 at about 1100ft.lbs. That should be a good bit more than you can get outta the super. Do you remember where you had seen your data?

Glock1911
07-30-2010, 07:15
Here's one link with some .45 Super load data:
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=45%20Super&Weight=All&type=Handgun&Order=Powder&Source=

Glock1911
07-30-2010, 07:26
Here's another link (scroll all the way to near the bottom):
http://ammoguide.com/cgi-bin/ai.cgi?sn=VCwesnFdbh&catid=239 (http://ammoguide.com/cgi-bin/ai.cgi?sn=VCwesnFbh&catid=239)

Here's some data for the .460 Rowland:
http://ammoguide.com/cgi-bin/ai.cgi?sn=VCwesnFdbh&catid=373

I've not located anything else for the 45-08, yet.

uz2bUSMC
07-30-2010, 09:59
Here's another link (scroll all the way to near the bottom):
http://ammoguide.com/cgi-bin/ai.cgi?sn=VCwesnFdbh&catid=239 (http://ammoguide.com/cgi-bin/ai.cgi?sn=VCwesnFbh&catid=239)

Here's some data for the .460 Rowland:
http://ammoguide.com/cgi-bin/ai.cgi?sn=VCwesnFdbh&catid=373

I've not located anything else for the 45-08, yet.

The data I had seen was on a forum somewhere. I believe it was from the guy who started the .45-08 (not in concept but rather in name). The loads he had were actually hotter than the Rowland loads you've linked to. I'm wanting to say he was comfortably in the 900ftlb range without stressing the brass. Now the gun on the other hand, you're right there, it's gonna take a beating. I'll see if I can find that info and link it.

uz2bUSMC
07-30-2010, 10:21
Alright, this is close enough to what I was lookin' for, it's like the 2nd or 3rd to last post.

http://www.thehighroad.us/archive/index.php/t-384638.html

grizman
07-30-2010, 14:05
What about this.
230 grn 45 cal gold dot at 1810 fps out of my carry Grizzly but its a 6.5" tube.
Here it is in action. Factory loads are weak! Roll your own and it's near the 454 casual in bullet weights up to around 300grns.

IndianaMatt
07-30-2010, 14:23
Colt Delta Elite 10mm. I am so wanting to pick one of these up. Colt just re-introduced them this year. SO AWESOME!

http://www.felandgunsmith.com/images/3/ColtDeltaElite10m_DS25236_1.jpg

Glock1911
07-30-2010, 14:52
What about this.
230 grn 45 cal gold dot at 1810 fps out of my carry Grizzly but its a 6.5" tube.
Here it is in action. Factory loads are weak! Roll your own and it's near the 454 casual in bullet weights up to around 300grns.

Since, the Grizzly was designed for the .45 Win mag I'm not surprised that it could take the abuse of that kind of .45 loading. Heavy beast of a gun, though.
Where do you find your 300 grain bullets?

grizman
07-30-2010, 15:46
I use Hornaday XTP for the 300 grn stuff. The most effective load I have found for whitetail is the same load I carry.
230 Grn GD over 25.5grns of VV N110. Absolute max load!
I have cut down and reamed out 308 and 30 06 cases before and went heavier but its ABUSIVE to all involved.
Fact is the Grizzly isn't all that heavy for the power it has. Fully load with 8 hot nasty 45 win mag rounds it still weighs less than a 44 mag DE empty at 67oz's! The 50 DE empty is 72oz's! Along the line of 52/53 oz loaded on the griz.
The weight isn't all that bad. Compared to a Glock yeah it weighs a ton.

Take the 230 grn GD load and use a FMJ 230 and it develops a odd trait, at 100 yards it will defeat a IIIA vest!

A normal 1911 weighs 38/40 oz empty, the power level is like 4x at the muzzle! Huge diff!
The original adds were correct. Take one to the range and you will see that "When the Bear Roars People take notice" is true! I can make the muzzle loader guys shut down to come over and see whats makin' all the noise!

Have seen one human shot with one of the Gold Dot hot loads, coroner thought it was a 12ga deer slug wound till he checked the size of perm wound cavity. It was larger than a 12ga slug.
Those that say a handgun caliber is no way a 1 shot stop has never seen one of these in action. This was not a heart shot, vic was struck 3/8" below the sternum. The lower lungs, bottom of the heart liver and pancreas were mush! Corner said vic was dead before he realized he was hit. The shooter, a off duty LEO and myself can testify the vic did not stand still and drop the guy was off his feet and falling back and away. Not a hollywood blowum away but more than a crumple and fall.
I have taken many deer and wild hog/boar with mine and it is a sledgehammer!
I dropped a berzerk angus bull at my buddies farm last fall with one shot between the eyes. It weighed 1782# at the processing place!
Loaded properly these things are hand held howitzers!
Hands down the best overall package when it comes to hand cannon!

uz2bUSMC
07-30-2010, 16:02
What about this.
230 grn 45 cal gold dot at 1810 fps out of my carry Grizzly but its a 6.5" tube.
Here it is in action. Factory loads are weak! Roll your own and it's near the 454 casual in bullet weights up to around 300grns.

That's your carry piece? Nice!

Glock1911
07-31-2010, 16:14
Out mans me for sure!

I thought I was practicing overkill packin' a Ruger Alaskan for CCW last year. :alex: Gotta be prepared for whatever might rear it's ugly head, ya know.:supergrin:

bac1023
07-31-2010, 23:45
Holy crap! Well, I never said anything about price.

Base Price Starting At

$3,650.00

Well, it is a Wilson.

grizman
08-02-2010, 09:17
That's your carry piece? Nice!

Sometimes! When I do pack it I carry 4 spare mags.
1762 ftlbs of muzzle energy.
416.3 power factor.
Can put 8 rounds into a 8" circle at 100yrds in just over 6 seconds.
Can put 8 rounds into C O M on a b27 at 25 yrds in under 3 seconds.
Slow fire can do 5 shots at 25yrds int a 1.3" group.
100 yrd slow fire 5 shots 3.5".

Just for reference purposes.
A 168 grn .308 rifle generates 2800+ ftlbs of muzzle energy in a 20" barrel.
5.56 55grn nato produces 1280+ ftlbs of muzzle energy in a 16" barrel.

I am in process of having a 11.5" SBR built for this cartridge by Rmw Extreme. Uses M1 carbine mags, lower rec block by Rmw. Should make one @zz kicking entry carbine!LOL

grizman
08-02-2010, 09:21
Out mans me for sure!

I thought I was practicing overkill packin' a Ruger Alaskan for CCW last year. :alex: Gotta be prepared for whatever might rear it's ugly head, ya know.:supergrin:

I would hate to have to shoot something and it suffer!LOL :shame:

I have 4 Grizzlies in my collection, Did carry two of them at the same time to the 1500 show once. The IPD officer at the check in table bout fell off his chair. They were produced from 1984 to 1997 and according to LAR there were less than 10k produced and distrib'd world wide. Can't go by highest serial # to get total production. Some blocks of Serial #'s were "reserved" and never used.

walt cowan
08-03-2010, 05:52
Out mans me for sure!

I thought I was practicing overkill packin' a Ruger Alaskan for CCW last year. :alex: Gotta be prepared for whatever might rear it's ugly head, ya know.:supergrin:

thats my next wish list gun!:wavey::supergrin:

Glock1911
08-05-2010, 08:19
I wish I had kept that Alaskan, Walt.

walt cowan
08-05-2010, 11:03
damm sorry about that. hope you can get another one soon. did you shoot any full house 45 longs through it?

ArmyCop
08-05-2010, 11:49
Can't find the link but several months ago I read where someone had a kit to convert one of the Glock models over to a .50 Cal

Glock1911
08-07-2010, 08:42
damm sorry about that. hope you can get another one soon. did you shoot any full house 45 longs through it?

I shot some 335gr. +P Double Tap .45 LC through it, along with a number of different .454 loads including the Double Tap 400 gr. hard cast load. I've shot those same loads through a 6 1/2" .454 Taurus Raging Bull, also. I prefer the way the Alaskan handles those loads. Of course, the shorter barrel probably doesn't allow those loads to develop their full potential velocity wise.

Glock1911
08-07-2010, 08:45
Can't find the link but several months ago I read where someone had a kit to convert one of the Glock models over to a .50 Cal

That would be Guncrafter Industries.
http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/sneakpreview.shtml

The .50 GI doesn't really develop any more velocity than a .45 ACP. It just punches a bigger hole.

grizman
08-07-2010, 08:49
Can't find the link but several months ago I read where someone had a kit to convert one of the Glock models over to a .50 Cal

Guncrafter Industries make the 50GI conversion. It is not a hi powered cartridge. The 50GI is a bigger heavier slower moving 45 is all. No where a magnum power level.

frank4570
08-07-2010, 12:33
What about this.
230 grn 45 cal gold dot at 1810 fps out of my carry Grizzly but its a 6.5" tube.
Here it is in action. Factory loads are weak! Roll your own and it's near the 454 casual in bullet weights up to around 300grns.

It's a great gun. I wish they still made them.

Chonny
08-09-2010, 07:39
Everyone needs a good revolver. A .41 mag would spoil my experience. Youre shooting loud ass magnum rounds all the time. A .357 has the option of .38 and both come in a huge variety of ammo.

grizman
08-09-2010, 08:24
It's a great gun. I wish they still made them.

Well, Perry Arnett, the designer/inventor of the grizzly always has held the patent rights to the pistol and design. LAR produced them under lic from Mr Arnett. I am sure if the opertuninty arises to lic a new manufacterer Perry will do so.
This is why LAR doesn't make parts for them! Maybe someone will step up and put them out again!

frank4570
08-16-2010, 18:43
Well, Perry Arnett, the designer/inventor of the grizzly always has held the patent rights to the pistol and design. LAR produced them under lic from Mr Arnett. I am sure if the opertuninty arises to lic a new manufacterer Perry will do so.
This is why LAR doesn't make parts for them! Maybe someone will step up and put them out again!

I guess there just aren't enough potential customers to roll with it.

agtman
08-21-2010, 19:35
This...
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/am_other-10mm-1.jpg

... plus this ...
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/800px-10MM_AUTO_-_FMJ_-_1.jpg

... equals this ...
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/nuke-it-from-orbit.jpg

:cool:

NonPCnraRN
08-23-2010, 23:42
How about a Double Tap 230 gr 10mm WFNGC at 1120 fps mv out of a G20? The hardcast bullet has a meplat of 0.32 inches and will still be doing 1008 fps at 100 yds. The Beartooth Permanent Wound calculator indicates a wound channel of 0.806 inches in diameter at 1008 fps. That is a pretty big hole, probably through and through. http://www.beartoothbullets.com/rescources/calculators/php/wound.htm?v2=1008&v1=.320

Matthew Courtney
08-24-2010, 17:20
A couple of years ago, Louisiana Shooters Unlimited developed the Fahrenheit .451 - a cartridge that fired a .451 diameter 160 grain Barnes XPB all copper hollow point at 1700-1800 fps from a case that fit into guns with standard .45 ACP chamber specs. A few months after we began marketing it, Barnes stopped making the .451 XPB 160 grain bullet in favor of their M/LE tac xp.

While we were trying to redevelop a load using the new Barnes bullet or a 165 grain all copper hollow point Mag tech bullet, other components became scarce and the project was put on the backburner.

We used .45 Super brass from starline. Pressures ran in the low 40,000's. Numerous spring changes in a gun were required and only a few production .45's were compatible, mostly all steel full length 1911's with full length guide rods and Springfield XD's.

frank4570
09-02-2010, 17:54
@Matthew Courtney
So it was a .45 super. With a light bullet.
Right?

Matthew Courtney
09-03-2010, 04:54
@Matthew Courtney
So it was a .45 super. With a light bullet.
Right?

Essentially, yes. Because the term ".45 Super" is under copyright, we named it the "Fahrenheit .451". Another difference is the use of all copper hollow points, which do not fragment, allowing them to penetrate quite well.

frank4570
09-03-2010, 13:05
Essentially, yes. Because the term ".45 Super" is under copyright, we named it the "Fahrenheit .451". Another difference is the use of all copper hollow points, which do not fragment, allowing them to penetrate quite well.

Ok, I get it. I forgot they had copyrighted the name.

.45Super-Man
09-04-2010, 02:51
The 10mm is still the go to round if you want real magnum performance in a service size auto. The .45 Super is definitely worth looking into, IF you have a .45acp that can easily adapt to it without changing major components.

frank4570
09-06-2010, 21:41
And the .460 Rowland is the round for maximum damage.

The 10mm is still the go to round if you want real magnum performance in a service size auto. The .45 Super is definitely worth looking into, IF you have a .45acp that can easily adapt to it without changing major components.

ronin.45
09-06-2010, 22:44
The 10mm/45Super/460Rowland are about the biggest, most powerful rounds you are going to squueze into a normal sized gun. You should be able to get them comped or not. I like the 45Super because all it really needs is a spring. I like it for my 625s though where no mods are necessary.

cowboy1964
09-07-2010, 06:53
the vic did not stand still and drop the guy was off his feet and falling back and away. Not a hollywood blowum away but more than a crumple and fall.

That means excessive recoil for the shooter then too. Equal and opposite reaction and all that.

Glock1911
09-12-2010, 19:12
How about a Double Tap 230 gr 10mm WFNGC at 1120 fps mv out of a G20? The hardcast bullet has a meplat of 0.32 inches and will still be doing 1008 fps at 100 yds. The Beartooth Permanent Wound calculator indicates a wound channel of 0.806 inches in diameter at 1008 fps. That is a pretty big hole, probably through and through. http://www.beartoothbullets.com/rescources/calculators/php/wound.htm?v2=1008&v1=.320

That's currently my woods carry gun, and load. At least, when I feel that my 44 mag. isn't going to have enough follow up rounds.