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JayAlonG2910mm
07-30-2010, 01:30
I am looking to change my SD load, after seeing how much flash 800x has.


I would like to use a bullet around 165g to 180g Do they still make black Tallon/Ranger bullets in .400? Other considerations are Silver tips and XTPs. Golden dots are my go to round in .40cal but I am not sure how well they would hold up in 10mm.

Universal seems to have very low flash, so does AA#9. Any others to consider?

I use Starline brass.

As for primers, I use CCI 300 and CCI 350 mag. but with all things I am open to suggestions.

I don't want to exceed 1350fps unless the bullet was designed for those velocities.

I can handle hard recoil. but I would like something that will let me get back on target for followups.

Aloxite
07-30-2010, 07:47
From your screen name I'm going to assume you are loading for a G29.

Looking at McNett's gel tests of 10mm ammo it appears that not only do the 180 grain Gold dots hold up, they make an ideal bullet for the velocities you can get out of a G29. He posted G29 specific info on one of the later pages but if I remember correctly the recovered diameter was 0.98 inches with something like 15+ inches penetration. The real interesting thing was the same load had slightly less of both when fired from a G20.

As for low flash powder I'd have to go with AA-9. I can't really see universal being considered for a high power load with a heavy bullet.

jeffreybehr
07-30-2010, 11:10
First, hi power and lo recoil are opposites. The faster the bullet, the greater the recoil. You really will have to pick somewhere on that long line from slow/mild to fast/heavy after shooting a bunch.

Second, the XTP is my favorite bullet available to reloaders for its combination of expansion, staying together, and relatively low price. Gold Dots are also excellent.

Third, I'd start with Accurate #7 for its slightly lower MF--see http://jeffreybehr.zenfolio.com/p548446203 --and because you won't be trying to achieve maximum velocities with this load. I agree with Aloxite that Universal is too fast for the 10 and 165g. or 180g. bullets. Another candidate I'm researching is SR4756. The preliminary loads I fotografed were quite low-flash...
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/jeffreybehr/Muzzleflash/10mm47562_2000wwtext_1280w.jpg
...but they were unintentinally loaded to too-low velocities. More info soon.

Use magnum primers only if the manual you're following uses them. See http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1243118 , post #12.

MinervaDoe
07-30-2010, 19:16
First, hi power and lo recoil are opposites. The faster the bullets, the greater the recoil. You really will have to pick somewhere on that long line from slow/mild to fast/heavy after shooting a bunch.

Second, the XTP is my favorite bullet available to reloaders for its combination of expansion, staying together, and relatively low price. Gold Dots are also excellent.

Third, I'd start with Accurate #7 for its slightly lower MF--see http://jeffreybehr.zenfolio.com/p548446203 --and because you won't be trying to achieve maximum velocities with this load. I agree with Aloxite that Universal is too fast for the 10 and 165g. or 180g. bullets. Another candidate I'm researching is SR4656. The preliminary loads I fotografed were quite low-flash...
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k220/jeffreybehr/Muzzleflash/10mm47562_2000wwtext_1280w.jpg
...but they were unintentinally loaded to too-low velocities. More info soon.

Use magnum primers only if the manual you're following uses them. See http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1243118 , post #12.

:notworthy: Impressive. :notworthy::perfect10:

jeffreybehr
07-30-2010, 22:56
Why...thank you very much, Minerva. :embarassed:

MakeMineA10mm
07-31-2010, 22:08
I like 165s. Nothing wrong with Gold Dots and they're relatively inexpensive. I've found that XTPs are more of a hunting bullet and open slower in human tissue simulations than some other designs.

If you're specifically looking for low-flash, I'd use Ramshot Silhouette powder as it is specifically formulated for this. (From the Ramshot website: "Silhouette is a double based, modified (flattened) spherical powder that performs well in medium sized handgun cases. Silhouette's low flash signature, high velocity, and clean burning properties make it a perfect choice for indoor ranges and law enforcement applications."

This powder is the same as Winchester's old WAP powder (Winchester Action Pistol), which only lasted a few years under the Win. label. (Ramshot supplied the powder to Winchester, who packaged and distributed it.)