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FH Alum
07-30-2010, 11:40
Big 5 has a China clone of the 870, 6 shot tube, 18" bbl, synthetic stock, ghost rings, 2 3/4 and 3" chamber for 199.99 out the door. Model 982.

I have a $50 gift cert I need to use so this thing would cost me $150.

I searched the forum and didn't find anything so forgive me if this is a duplicate question.

1. I know it's not a true 870 and don't expect the same fit/finish.

2. I am not the type of guy who has to hang a bunch of extras on his gun. 6+1 is plenty for any social work I would ever get into. So, compatibly with aftermarket accessories is not critical. However, it does appear some Rem parts may fit with slight tweaking.

3. I'm not a mall ninja, not storming buildings etc. I have a mossy already, just thinking this would be a good way to train with the 870 platform for cheep.

However, I have had good luck with my china made SKS, so I know they can build a gun.

Anyone have any thoughts on this one? Stay away or go for it??

FH Alum
07-30-2010, 11:55
OK, I called Big 5 to see if they have on in stock. It is actually made in Turkey not China.

Does this make a big difference? I know Turkey has produced some fine side by sides over the last couple hundred years.

Let me know the opinions I plan on going over this evening to check it out.

Victoriagotagun
07-30-2010, 12:21
OK, I called Big 5 to see if they have on in stock. It is actually made in Turkey not China.

Does this make a big difference? I know Turkey has produced some fine side by sides over the last couple hundred years.

Let me know the opinions I plan on going over this evening to check it out.

They don't know what they are talking about. It is made in China by Norinco. Pretty much everything will fit from a 870 except barrels.

FH Alum
07-30-2010, 13:28
Well if it's made by Norinco that's a positive, political issues aside. The norinco SKS I have is well made.

I wondered about the Turkey thing. However I have heard some of the NEF stuff has been coming from Turkey so I didn't automatically discount it. Maybe Interstate has switched manf. I'll find out for sure this afternoon.

Do you have one? How does it hold up, function? pattern?

Seems like a steal and if it does not feel like sand is in the action I may bite for S & Grins. For $150 I am not standing to loose much.

New 870 similar setup with ghosts runs 600 around here. Mossy 590a1 was $619. So I can fluff and buff a-lot for 400+ bucks.

Very interesting that Rem parts & accessories may fit.

GOT THE NEW SCATTERGUN FEAVER!!

Victoriagotagun
07-30-2010, 14:11
I wondered about the Turkey thing. However I have heard some of the NEF stuff has been coming from Turkey so I didn't automatically discount it. Maybe Interstate has switched manf. I'll find out for sure this afternoon.

Do you have one? How does it hold up, function? pattern?

Seems like a steal and if it does not feel like sand is in the action I may bite for S & Grins. For $150 I am not standing to loose much.

New 870 similar setup with ghosts runs 600 around here. Mossy 590a1 was $619. So I can fluff and buff a-lot for 400+ bucks.

Very interesting that Rem parts & accessories may fit.

GOT THE NEW SCATTERGUN FEAVER!!

I believe the only Turkey guns NEF is importing is their semi-auto line which are Verona shotguns. Their Pardner pump is a Norinco 870 clone. I don't have one but I do know a couple of people that do and it does what its suppose to do with what they use it for.

If your paying that much for a 590A1 in your area then its time to shop around...haven't looked at new 870 prices lately.

sambeaux2249
07-30-2010, 20:53
I believe the only Turkey guns NEF is importing is their semi-auto line which are Verona shotguns. Their Pardner pump is a Norinco 870 clone. I don't have one but I do know a couple of people that do and it does what its suppose to do with what they use it for.

If your paying that much for a 590A1 in your area then its time to shop around...haven't looked at new 870 prices lately.

There are some Turkish 870 clones out there, but they are more expensive than the Interstate. I think the Hassan, Escort, etc. are Turkish. I have a couple of Chinese 870 clones and they are great. I have an Interstate and a Pardner Pump. They won't use Remington barrels, but other than that the parts interchange.

Sam

my762buzz
07-30-2010, 21:51
Big 5 has a China clone of the 870, 6 shot tube, 18" bbl, synthetic stock, ghost rings, 2 3/4 and 3" chamber for 199.99 out the door. Model 982.


That would be the first imported shot gun I have seen post 1990 that comes from the factory with a greater than 5 round mag tube. I didn't think they could be imported that way. Interesting.

my762buzz
07-30-2010, 21:54
Are you sure it holds 6 in the tube? The ad only says 6 shot capacity but that may include the one in the chamber. Remington markets the 870 marine magnum as a 7 shot repeater and the mag only holds 6.

http://big5sportinggoods.shoplocal.com/big5/default.aspx?action=detail&storeid=2503823&rapid=0&listingid=-2086429395&offerid=

IndianaMatt
07-31-2010, 23:10
Stay away. You can get a Remington 870 in one of the various combinations for around $350. There's no such thing as "cheap" and "good"- something is usually worth what you pay for it.

Aceman
08-01-2010, 06:36
I believe it is Interarms - not Interstate.

I have a friend who has one and I have shot it on a number of occasions. It is the Maverick 88 of 870's.

Solid gun, works great, cheapest 870 you'll get. Perfect if it's a just in case gun. Does it have the longevity of a Police 870? Probably not. But did I think it was sturdy and reliable - totally.

It was a little rough "working" but nothing some shooting wouldn't clear up. I like it.

teumessian_fox
08-01-2010, 21:58
3. I'm not a mall ninja, not storming buildings etc. I have a mossy already, just thinking this would be a good way to train with the 870 platform for cheep.

Anyone have any thoughts on this one? Stay away or go for it??


What does that mean? 870 "platform?" Any similarly equipped pump shotgun will give you the similarities you need.

And I'd definitely stay away from cheaply constructed imports in any configuration. If you want a 870 then buy the 870.

They've got this on Gunbroker for less than $300:

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/181772000/181772194/pix2231577984.jpg

338 lapua
08-02-2010, 03:51
FH, $150 with the coupon is a real bargain, just do it. The IAC Hawk 982 is a terrific shotgun. Period.

Btw, it's 5+1 and $150 is a heck of a lot less than spending $300 or $400.

It's pretty ridiculous when people bad mouth a gun that they've never even used - much less owned. They're just talking out of their rear-ends with pure hypothetical nonsense and BS political bias. :chatter:

I own a Hawk 982. It's great. A real workhorse tool that performs very well and a gun you don't have to worry about when it gets scratched up. Plus, the GRS works great for those longer range slug shots.

Buy it, use it, enjoy it.

And spend the money you save on ammo and more range time. Or whatever else. :cool:

KalashniKEV
08-02-2010, 07:57
I have a Hawk 88, and the extractor eventually failed. New Remington replacement parts didn't fit the Chinese BCG, so I went with a new Wingmaster BCG.

You can read about it here:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=643105

I paid $168 and I definitely think it was well worth it. There's a lot of bad info above, but for those who know and have used the Norinco shotguns (sold as Interstate Arms, Hawk, Ultracell, etc) they have proven to be pretty solid guns for the money.

External finish is superior to an Express, and you're getting a metal trigger guard. If I were going to pick up another, I'd swap the BCG right out the gate though...

KalashniKEV
08-02-2010, 08:00
OK... you know I just meant, "bolt..."

:)

BHP9
08-02-2010, 08:21
The 870 barrels won't fit this shotgun because the barrel lug is further forward on the barrel and the mag tube is longer. Norinco do the same except on their 14" barrel model.

Z71bill
08-02-2010, 09:21
My neighbor went out to buy a Mossberg Maverick - and compared the two guns (Maverick & Pardner)

He came home with the Mossberg - then went back the next day and bought the Pardner pump.

He likes both - but has zero regrets about buying the Pardner.


I wanted a Mossberg youth model 20 gauge semi auto for my wife - I searched all over and could not find one any where -

Walked into Academy Sports and they had a Hatsan Escort (made in Turkey) youth model 20 gauge on sale for under $300 out the door. Including 3 chokes.

So far it has been 100% - shooting Walmart target loads - buck shot.

The downside of a foreign made gun - if I understand the laws correctly -

You can not legally just slap on a mag tube extension - maybe someone that does understand can comment -

WoodenPlank
08-02-2010, 09:32
The downside of a foreign made gun - if I understand the laws correctly -

You can not legally just slap on a mag tube extension - maybe someone that does understand can comment -

If the issue is 922r, then I would think that using a US-made mag extension would eliminate any concerns of legality. Maybe there is some other law I am unaware of.

KalashniKEV
08-02-2010, 11:53
You can not legally just slap on a mag tube extension - maybe someone that does understand can comment -

No issue with 922(r). There's actually a guy who makes an 870 tube adapter for the Norinco shotguns on that thread I linked.

You might be thinking about import points, which is similar to the Bulgarian Maks having thumbrest grips installed for import purposes... open the box put the OEM grip back on and toss the old "sporting" one in the trash!

Z71bill
08-02-2010, 13:29
No issue with 922(r). There's actually a guy who makes an 870 tube adapter for the Norinco shotguns on that thread I linked.

You might be thinking about import points, which is similar to the Bulgarian Maks having thumbrest grips installed for import purposes... open the box put the OEM grip back on and toss the old "sporting" one in the trash!


I remember now 922r - covers SEMI AUTO shotguns - this is a pump so it does not apply.:embarassed:

I ran into this when I was considering buying a Saiga and again when I was looking for a mag extension for my Escort semi auto 20 gauge.

The regulations are a bunch of crap - but I do strive to stay on the legal side of things.

Z71bill
08-02-2010, 13:33
If the issue is 922r, then I would think that using a US-made mag extension would eliminate any concerns of legality. Maybe there is some other law I am unaware of.

IIRC - if it was a foreign made semi auto shotgun - with all foreign parts - putting a USA manufactured mag extension - so the gun will hold more than 5 rounds - would make it an illegal firearm.


Don't think anyone can explain why this is a law - other than congress is a bunch of idiots.

FH Alum
08-02-2010, 17:08
OK, went ahead and picked it up on Friday.

1. Yes, it's Chinese,
2. 5+1 18.5" barrel. This is the same as my Mossy 500. 5+1 is a plus for me. I don't like long tubes-throws off the balance making it too front end heavy.
3. Metal trigger group/guard!! (this is what sold me)
4. Surprising finish on the gun. Like said above better finish then the express by far.
5. Ghost rings are equal to the mossy sights on my 590. front post is black but has an indent to hold paint if one wants to add a dot. Guard ears on rear and is adjustable.
6. Stock is black plastic, fit is very good and it's solid. Good texture on slide and grip. It has a decent recoil pad and an insert for a sling stud that fits standard uncle mikes stud!. Not surprised at stock as China makes almost all of the world's plastic today.
7. Swung by my favorite gun shop for other items and was talking to the owner. He had me bring it into the shop to check it out. 870 side saddle fits.
8. As noted above barrel is not inter changeable with an 870, but with a bit of work could be. Will have to look further as it may be possible to but a remington bolt into this thing.
9. I had my pick of 3 and the action is quite good on mine. Other 2 on shelf were pretty good and will smooth out with approx 100 shells. Trigger is much better than expected. This thing will be pretty slick when broken in.
10. Interior of receiver does have some machine marks but not in areas that will inhibit function. same on chamber of barrel. (think = keltec)
11. mag cap is different then Remington-no detent, uses teeth to engage. However, hole in end of cap takes a uncle mikes stud and nut for sling. $2 for stud vs. $29 for a aftermarket cap.

Took it out yesterday and ran 2 boxes of target loads through it. Rack-bang, repeat 50 times. So far so good. I'll pattern it when I have more time in a couple of weeks.

This is not my only shotgun. As mentioned in other posts I am a mossy fan. Would I take this to Iraq for my primary weapon if I had a 590 A1 available?-no. But it's serviceable. For the price nothing compares. I will keep you posted. For $150 it's a hoot.

BHP9
08-03-2010, 06:55
I forgot to add that all of the internals from a Remington 870 will fit. I have mixed and matched and fired.

G23ATX
08-03-2010, 07:26
Think I'm going to pick one up this month or next if I can find one local or on the road trip the wife and I are going on.

Not looking to replace my 590 that stays in the bedroom closet with it, but should work just fine to take out and run a couple boxes through on the weekends and as a truck gun.

338 lapua
08-03-2010, 13:57
Here's a simple mod that is recommended for the 982:

The rear sight elevation set screw tends to loosen after much firing and the rear sight may slide off eventually. It's easily fixed by replacing the slotted set screw with a M4 x 5mm socket set screw (under 50 cents at Ace Hardware and tightened with a 2mm hex key) and then using blue loctite to secure the screw.

my762buzz
08-03-2010, 17:14
I remember now 922r - covers SEMI AUTO shotguns - this is a pump so it does not apply.:embarassed:
.

Not that I care what anyone else wants to do but to be techically exact
the law reads "any shotgun" and that does not confine the regulation to semiauto. Shotguns with capacities over 5 rounds are banned from import.
So technically, yeah, adding a mag extension is a legal problem. I don't think most people are worried or even care as long as getting caught is less likely.

(r) It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925 (d)(3)

FH Alum
08-03-2010, 18:59
Did you have to install a new barrel with the Wingmaster BSG? Not looking to put any $$ into this thing but just want to keep future options open. Put another 2 boxes through it today. so far so good. I also put a dot of sight paint in the hole in the front blade. Much better.

I'm going to hit the hardware store tomorrow afternoon and buy the sight screw as mentioned as a hex head is better than a slotted. After getting it dialed in the locktite was already planned.

Going to put another 100 shells through it this weekend along with 25 00 loads and 25 slugs. That will be 250 rds. a pretty good break in. This thing is really growing on me. Recoil pad works well.

my762buzz
08-04-2010, 01:21
Did you have to install a new barrel with the Wingmaster BSG?

Not sure what BSG means?

KalashniKEV
08-04-2010, 12:40
Will have to look further as it may be possible to but a remington bolt into this thing.

It fits.

I forgot to add that all of the internals from a Remington 870 will fit. I have mixed and matched and fired.

They don't all fit.

It sounds like I just contradicted myself... but I didn't... ;)

See my post w/ link to TOS.

Big_Grumpy
08-04-2010, 18:54
The only thing that'd stop me from buying it would be my conscience.

I'll TRY to stay "politically correct aside", [*bzzzzt... FAILED] Why NOT buy it? Maybe sales like this will lower our national debt? :tongueout::supergrin:

[*Ding Ding Ding] O.K... back on track. Your initial posts before you bought it implied you were going to get it, flog it, and see what you can get for $150. It's a great deal and I'd of said, "Why not? Beat a raccoon with it in the back yard if you see one too!"

Later on in the thread you're talking about mods and what not? Different bolts?? Eh... I suppose, if you can do it on the (really) cheap. First I'd see if it's worth the time. I wouldn't let your visions for the purpose of that shotgun change so soon.

If you wanted to train on an 870, I'd have gotten an 870. If you want smooth action, a USED 870 can't be beat. Is the price really that much of a factor for a shotgun that you seemingly want to tinker on anyway?

My $0.02 is to beat on the $150 shotgun, see what it can do, and if it's worthy try some mods... but wear gloves and eyes at all times and carry a backup. Have you ever seen kids toys?? :supergrin:

My 18.5" Remington 870 holds 6+1 with an easy, no thought, 2 shot extension. That alone is worth the cost difference... (semi-sarcasm) :tempted:

FH Alum
08-05-2010, 17:15
I really have no plans on replacing the parts or doing any mods, I was just curious what would be needed to do so in the future if something broke and repairs were needed. Info obtained and filed under general knowledge.

So far I have $158 bucks into this thing.

150 for the shotgun
$3 for an Uncle mikes basic sling
$5 for two sling studs and swivels.

Only other thing I have done (or ever plan on doing) is add a bit of sight paint to the front blade. Cost was $0.00 as I have 3 vials of that stuff in the safe.

Extended tubes are not an issue. I hate the balance of a longer tube, I have a 9 shot 590 A-1 and it just does not feel right. My favorite is a 18" barrel with this length tube, just feels natural and points best for me. (except for my O/U trap gun)

As far as folks saying buy a used 870, I would have if I had found one with ghost rings for $150. They don't exist in my area I have looked. And no-I won't order something from gun broker. I refuse to buy anything I have not held in my hand.

I mainly wanted to develop muscle memory on the different safety and slide release. The operation is exactly the same as the 870. As previously stated for serious work I have a safe full of other arms. And rest assured I plan to flog this sucker well and hard. :supergrin:

Chowser
03-26-2011, 21:20
Bringing a thread back from the dead :)

FH Alum, greetings!

How has the IAC been holding up for you these past few months? I am planning on purchasing 7 of these soon. It's the cheapest I can find. At $170 each, it's not bad for a new shotgun. We are planning on making these our "bean bag" shotguns. No mods to anything, we will be sticking them in the car stock and only using them if we decide we need something less lethal. (Our regular shotguns are Benelli M1 Super 90s, so for practical purposes, semi-auto = kill, pump = less lethal (and hopefully not kill) and these are cheaper than 870s)

Thanks!

FH Alum
04-07-2011, 18:10
Chowser, so far so good. I now have about 1000 shells in it and it continues to do what it was designed to. We may not want to admit it but China knows how to make a firearm. I now have shot more $$ in ammo through it than I paid for it. For the $150 I paid its been a strong value. Its best use so far has been to give to my brother in law or other friends when we go to the range or the field. This way if they put a scratch on it etc. I don't care. BIL took a smaller hog at ~75 yards with it a couple of months ago.

As far as using for serious social work like you describe not so sure. I have no doubts it will work but I think if you are going to buy that many the Remington would be better just for the support/parts down the road. Not to mention that it sounds like an agency buy so politically maybe not the best idea. I would evaluate the need for GR sights for a dedicated beanbag gun, that will save a bunch of cash and make a base 870 express or Mossy 500 closer to the price range you are looking at.

BHP9
04-07-2011, 21:51
It fits.



They don't all fit.

It sounds like I just contradicted myself... but I didn't... ;)

See my post w/ link to TOS.

I've replaced the extractor on a Norinco with the Remington 870 parts.

There may have been a production change in the last 7 years but I doubt it.

streakpi
04-25-2011, 22:20
Great thread. I was looking for a shotgun under $250 (new or used) to use as a HD weapon. No mods other than the basic sling (and paint on sight). Won't carry it in trunk, won't use it to hunt..it will go to range, take part in some HD classes, and sit quietly in my house until needed. Most of the comments and reviews (via dealer sites) are positive. No worries about buying something "made in China". I've been a Soldier for 20 years and believe I have earned the right to buy whatever serves the purpose. If our country wants to compete globally...they can make the same gun - reverse clone our own 870 :) Now I can use money saved towards fishing lures and .45 ammo :)

Thanks again for the insights and range briefs. Be safe!

BHP9
04-26-2011, 05:37
Great thread. I was looking for a shotgun under $250 (new or used) to use as a HD weapon. No mods other than the basic sling (and paint on sight). Won't carry it in trunk, won't use it to hunt..it will go to range, take part in some HD classes, and sit quietly in my house until needed. Most of the comments and reviews (via dealer sites) are positive. No worries about buying something "made in China". I've been a Soldier for 20 years and believe I have earned the right to buy whatever serves the purpose. If our country wants to compete globally...they can make the same gun - reverse clone our own 870 :) Now I can use money saved towards fishing lures and .45 ammo :)

Thanks again for the insights and range briefs. Be safe!

For your use, the sling will be useless.

Moving arouns a dark house it can catch on everything.

RMD
04-27-2011, 15:30
I've had mine since December and it's performed flawlessly. It eats everything I've fed it, it's accurate and I think it's a great value in an HD shotgun.