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Brooklyn123456
08-02-2010, 19:20
Trooper Shoots Sayville Man During Struggle


A New York State Trooper shot a 49-year-old Sayville man who attacked him during a struggle on the Robert Moses Causeway in West Bay Shore on Sunday morning.

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The Trooper spotted a Hyundai Sonota speeding and tried to pull the over the driver, Allen Nelson Jr., who gave chase at 7:53 a.m., police said. The chase ended when Nelsonís car incurred a flat tire at the corner of Pine
Street and Montauk Drive in Bay Shore.

Nelson got out of his vehicle, which was left in drive, and attacked the Trooper, who sustained injury to his face and neck, police said. The Trooper drew his firearm and fired his .45 GAP and shot Nelson in the shoulder, police said.

Nelson fled on foot and the Trooper lost sight of him, police said. Nelson came upon a motorcyclist on Chenango Drive, attacked the rider in an attempt to steal the motorcycle and struggle ensued, police said.

The Trooper arrived on this scene and after a struggle took Nelson into custody with the help of the motorcyclist.

All involved suffered injuries that are considered non-life threatening and were treated and released at local hospitals. The name of the motorcyclist and the Trooper were not released.

Nelson will be held arraigned at First District Court in Central Islip on Monday

Jerrylundergard
08-02-2010, 19:24
Winged him!

Even though that guy kept running, I wouldnt want to get shot in the shoulder with the fiersom 45 gap!

brausso
08-02-2010, 19:36
Do I have to say the words "shot placement"? Unless you hit the axillary/brachial artery, it really doesn't matter which caliber it is.

unit1069
08-02-2010, 20:23
After reading the story I must say this thread's headline is misleading.

fredj338
08-02-2010, 20:37
After reading the story I must say this thread's headline is misleading.
No, thought provoking. If the, sounds like not all that well trained trooper, had been shooting a 9mm, his shot placement would have been better & the lighter recoil would have allowed him at elast 3 add'l. shots.:rofl: Then again, your first thought is probably the correct one.:supergrin:

hotpig
08-02-2010, 23:45
To me 45 has less recoil than a 9mm. I shoot better and have faster follow up shots with the 45.

tx787
08-03-2010, 20:44
Trooper might not wanted to have killed the guy, it is NY we are talking about.

Anonimo
08-03-2010, 20:49
To me 45 has less recoil than a 9mm. I shoot better and have faster follow up shots with the 45.


:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Yeah, I lift 300 lbs easier and faster than 200lbs

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

fredj338
08-03-2010, 22:55
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Yeah, I lift 300 lbs easier and faster than 200lbs

In some guns, I shoot a 45 way better than 9mm. Platform has a lot to do w/ felt recoil & control.
Trooper might not wanted to have killed the guy, it is NY we are talking about.
I would like to believe that, but no. If he didn't want to kill him, he had options, like CS, stick, etc. Besides, I have rarely seen LEO that can actually call their shots. Some can, but it's pretty rare.:whistling:

ContractSoldier
08-05-2010, 02:28
Do I have to say the words "shot placement"? Unless you hit the axillary/brachial artery, it really doesn't matter which caliber it is.

Shot placement is easier said then done when your in a fight for your life. The fact that departments don't do enough force on force shooting exercises compounds everything. This officer did everything right in this shooting because the officer went home at the end of the shift.

Brucev
08-05-2010, 06:43
Don't you just love it? A officer is attacked. He shoots his assailant. He does not make a center of mass hit. He does not fire two to the chest and one to the head. He does not shoot the man with a .458 WhackAndStack so the assumption is that the assailant lived because he was shot with a .45 GAP. How bizarre! Thank God the officer did not leave the scene in a body bag. As far as caliber is concerned, no department will ever have the budget to support high level firearms training sufficient to prepare officers for every possible criminal encounter. Officers whose assignment places them in such a position as this man have to take their own steps to prepare themselves for just such a situation. They have to depend upon themselves. They can not expect anyone else to do it for them.

Glock1911
08-05-2010, 08:16
"He does not shoot the man with a .458 WhackAndStack so the assumption is that the assailant lived because he was shot with a .45 GAP. How bizarre!"

I haven't much faith in the .45 GAP and don't understand why it's carried by LEO's over the more dependable and more widely available .45 ACP.

cowboy1964
08-05-2010, 08:16
To me 45 has less recoil than a 9mm. I shoot better and have faster follow up shots with the 45.

What 9 and what 45?

hotpig
08-05-2010, 09:18
What 9 and what 45?Pretty much any platform of 9mm except a 1911. The only real reason I have any 9mm is because being a FFL there are just so many of them available and they are cheaper to shoot.

I do carry a G17 to work (Arson Investigator)because it will not have to be cleaned every day or multiple times a day like a 1911.

MudMarine
08-05-2010, 09:30
Do I have to say the words "shot placement"? Unless you hit the axillary/brachial artery, it really doesn't matter which caliber it is.

Hydrostatic shock from a .50 will pop your body like a balloon. Shot placement isn't so critical.

Brucev
08-05-2010, 10:02
"He does not shoot the man with a .458 WhackAndStack so the assumption is that the assailant lived because he was shot with a .45 GAP. How bizarre!"

I haven't much faith in the .45 GAP and don't understand why it's carried by LEO's over the more dependable and more widely available .45 ACP.

Power in a handgun is relative. Compared to any shoulder weapon, power in a handgun is a myth. But realistically one can understand why those who have to carry a weapon would prefer one that is more and not less powerful. The GAP fills a need in the same way the .40 fills a need. The 10mm was simply to large a cartridge to fit a magazine tube/grip profile that would be manageable by those with less than large hands. The .40 addresses that problem. The same is true of the GAP. There are many who very much believe the .45 ACP is a superior round. The .45GAP offers .45ACP ballistics in a smaller round more compact round that can thereby be chambered for handguns that require less than large hands for easy management. Just because I have no problems using large grip pistols does not mean that everyone has no problems with them. Many people are better served with small grip handguns. The .45GAP allows them to have a powerful large bore round chambered for the handguns that best fit their needs.

FlyBoy007
08-05-2010, 19:48
The sad reality is, there is not near as much difference in the major rounds as we would like to believe. Good hits work better then bad ones, but it's still a hand gun.




Like arguing about the .270 WIN, 25-06, .308 or the 30-06 and 7mm Express.

Just not that much down range difference folks, fun hunting camp times arguing around the ol camp fire is about all.

venenoindy
08-06-2010, 13:54
:popcorn:

MTS532
08-06-2010, 19:45
I haven't much faith in the .45 GAP and don't understand why it's carried by LEO's over the more dependable and more widely available .45 ACP.

I understand that the .45 ACP is much more widely available, but given equal bullet styles and weights, how is the .45 ACP more dependable than the .45 GAP?

Glock1911
08-07-2010, 07:37
I understand that the .45 ACP is much more widely available, but given equal bullet styles and weights, how is the .45 ACP more dependable than the .45 GAP?

More dependable in knock down power. I doubt the wounded man would have had nearly the fight left in him, or the ability to use the wounded arm/shoulder. Yeah, I know the bullets are the same size, but velocity isn't.
Yeah, I know they say it's the same, or maybe even better, but I live in the "real" world.

WiskyT
08-07-2010, 09:08
Departments have all kinds of money for firearms training. The *******s who run them choose to spend it on sensativity training and other garbage. force on force training, even with airsoft pistols, is extremly valuable. Also, any active training will result in one out of a few thousand Troopers getting a hangnail and suing the department. This results in all training being consisiting of LEO's sitting in a comfy chair and watching videos. If it weren't for state manadated quals, departments wouldn't have their troops shoot at all.

To any one you paper punching internet heros, do this: Have some guy beat the crap out of you, then, make the decision to shoot the unarmed guy KNOWING you will be in front of a grand jury while he moves around real fast. Your entire world is riding on that shot, let us know what you scored.

mikegun
08-07-2010, 11:07
To me 45 has less recoil than a 9mm. I shoot better and have faster follow up shots with the 45.

I have had several Glock 38s, 45 gap and i must say i find it more accurate and with less recoil them my Glock 19 and 17 9mm, just guessing its because of the slightly heavier slide on the G38, as well as the smaller grip, they are the best shooting Glock pistols ive owned. i have read the NYSP has had several shootings with their GAP pistols and with good results...they seem to like these 45 gaps a lot..

packinaglock
08-07-2010, 12:01
More dependable in knock down power. I doubt the wounded man would have had nearly the fight left in him, or the ability to use the wounded arm/shoulder. Yeah, I know the bullets are the same size, but velocity isn't.
Yeah, I know they say it's the same, or maybe even better, but I live in the "real" world.

:rofl:

Glock1911
08-07-2010, 13:11
:rofl:

Sorry, I only drink the Kool Aid if it's a flavor I like. :upeyes:

BOGE
08-07-2010, 14:43
More dependable in knock down power. I doubt the wounded man would have had nearly the fight left in him, or the ability to use the wounded arm/shoulder. Yeah, I know the bullets are the same size, but velocity isn't.
Yeah, I know they say it's the same, or maybe even better, but I live in the "real" world.

http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo129/Boge_1960/untitled-1.jpg

There is NO difference. :upeyes:

Glock1911
08-07-2010, 15:07
So you say.

Got that number handy?:whistling:

MinervaDoe
08-07-2010, 15:14
In some guns, I shoot a 45 way better than 9mm. Platform has a lot to do w/ felt recoil & control.
I had hand surgery last February. It hurts my hand to shoot my 9mm Glock 34, but it does not hurt to shoot my G20SF or my 1911. I think the size and shape of the grip make a big difference.

My best PPC score with my G34 was a 463.

Last week, I tried my 1911 and shot a 471 (with a 48 round scoring system).