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FiremanMike
08-03-2010, 10:52
Some of my 9mm brass is getting up to around 5-6 reloads. I'm habitually checking each case now to make sure there's no cracking, but how long can I keep this going? I tend to stay on the low end of load data, and my recoil is relatively light, but I've never chrono'd my rounds so I really have no idea exactly where I'm at in terms of velocity/pressure..

How long can I keep using this brass?

TORCHRIDER
08-03-2010, 10:59
I have been reloading 9mm forever. I have loaded and shot somewhere north of 30k rounds conservatively at this point. I load at the low end. I only throw brass away when I notice splits which is very rare. I have never had a head seperation or other catastrophic failure.

Yea, should also add that I have had a few loose primers over the years as well.

DoctaGlockta
08-03-2010, 11:02
I've only been reloading for a year but I don't keep track of my # of reloads for each piece of brass.

Keep on keeping on. Sounds like you do a good job of QC so I wouldn't worry about it unless you see defects or primers are falling out of the pocket.

Zombie Steve
08-03-2010, 11:07
Load them until they split or the primer pockets get too loose.

GioaJack
08-03-2010, 11:17
WHAT? I thought you were supposed to load 'em once and throw 'em away. Man, I've gone through over four thousand .380's just this year!

Wish you guys had mentioned this earlier. Next you're gonna tell me that some people actually reload magazines too. HA... I'm too smart to fall for that one.


Jack

FiremanMike
08-03-2010, 11:48
I can't seem to get any pictures to capture what I'm talking about, but out of my last batch of rounds before and after the tumbler, I've pulled about 20 rounds that have, for lack of a better term, spidering along the outer case wall. If you can imagine the spidering of a windshield, it kinda looks like that, numerous little scratches all interconnected.

Has anyone seen this before? Are these ok or should I dump them?

woncrzymof0
08-03-2010, 11:50
I reload til I see a crack, or until I pick up a piece of brass off the ground and it is either bent or there is no primer in it.

GioaJack
08-03-2010, 12:02
I can't seem to get any pictures to capture what I'm talking about, but out of my last batch of rounds before and after the tumbler, I've pulled about 20 rounds that have, for lack of a better term, spidering along the outer case wall. If you can imagine the spidering of a windshield, it kinda looks like that, numerous little scratches all interconnected.

Has anyone seen this before? Are these ok or should I dump them?


Do a thumbnail test on them. If you don't feel any indentations along the marks, (snagging with your nail), they are most likely purely cosmetic and will have no effect on the brass.

If, on the other hand they are actual scratches then you need to track down the cause. It may be as simple as a dirty sizing die that needs to be cleaned to a chamber in a particular gun that needs attention.

It's also possible that your tumbling media has become contaminated and the marks are being created during the cleaning process.


Jack

fredj338
08-03-2010, 12:05
If you aren't shooting 9mm major, 10x plus is easily done. I have 45acp brass that I can't read the headstamp on, it's been reloaded so many times.

Gunnut 45/454
08-03-2010, 12:28
fredj338
I thought I was the only one that had this problem!:rofl:

OP: With out pictures I couldn't say, but it doesn't sound like a bad thing- carbon build -up on low power rounds is the norm! Yep I load them until they split or will not hold a primer!:supergrin:

fredj338
08-03-2010, 12:37
fredj338
I thought I was the only one that had this problem!:rofl:

OP: With out pictures I couldn't say, but it doesn't sound like a bad thing- carbon build -up on low power rounds is the norm! Yep I load them until they split or will not hold a primer!:supergrin:
Yeah, my buddies laugh at me when we shoot together. It's pretty easy to sort our brass!:rofl:

whatsupglock
08-03-2010, 12:42
Load them until they split or the primer pockets get too loose.

Same here.

Colorado4Wheel
08-03-2010, 12:53
I reuse them all till I use them or they split. If the primer pockets loose then I would toss it but that seldom happens.

unclebob
08-03-2010, 13:54
I have a cat litter bucket full of brass. I have gone threw it about 6 times now. I well keep going until I get quite a few slips. 4 or 5 in 400 too 500 rds. I well then get rid of that batch and start all over.
I have a mesh bag that I put the brass in at the range. I shake the bag, this gets rid of the sand and dirt, also I listen for a tinny sound. If I do, that means that I have a split case in the bag.
You well find at least I have. It does not happen all the time I think I have had one or two times where there were no splits in the case until after it was resized. Just something too look out for.

Colorado4Wheel
08-03-2010, 14:03
Fireman doesn't trust us. He posted over at Brian Enos as well. Sneaky guy even has a different screen name over there as well. I responded to his thread over there with the exact opposite advice just to screw with him.

JK

shotgunred
08-03-2010, 14:04
I am with jack. reload them once and let them fly. Problem is I have a five gallon bucket full. I can never remember which ones are new and which ones need to be tossed.

Zombie Steve
08-03-2010, 14:10
I do pay a lot more attention to rifle or magnum pistol brass.

unclebob
08-03-2010, 14:15
I am with jack. reload them once and let them fly. Problem is I have a five gallon bucket full. I can never remember which ones are new and which ones need to be tossed.

:dunno: If you let them fly? Then how do they end back up in the bucket. I know you have Jack helping you. Since you are with Jack.:whistling:

shotgunred
08-03-2010, 14:20
If you adjust your powder load just right and set the bucket 1 foot to your right they will pick themselves up, actually they land in the bucket. You might not hit your target but picking up the brass isn't an issue.
I can't believe jack didn't show you that trick. It is almost as good as putting some cornmeal in with your powder so that you clean your gun while you shoot it.

GioaJack
08-03-2010, 14:33
I can't believe jack didn't show you that trick.


Jack doesn't need to stoop to the level of mere commoners and employ cheap theatrical tricks... the butler gets paid to do the grunt work. :whistling:


Jack

Colorado4Wheel
08-03-2010, 14:35
The Brass Blanket works really well for collecting brass fired out of most Minor PF pistols.

unclebob
08-03-2010, 14:40
If you adjust your powder load just right and set the bucket 1 foot to your right they will pick themselves up, actually they land in the bucket. You might not hit your target but picking up the brass isn't an issue.
I can't believe jack didn't show you that trick. It is almost as good as putting some cornmeal in with your powder so that you clean your gun while you shoot it.


Personally I use a mesh tarp, and a Gopher, and a Nut Wizard too pick up the brass that misses the tarp. Fold up the four ends of the tarp, all the brass goes too the center of the tarp. Put the tarp on the table then put the brass in my mesh bag. That way if I try real hard I can hit the target, sometimes. And donít have too worry where the brass goes.

unclebob
08-03-2010, 14:41
Jack doesn't need to stoop to the level of mere commoners and employ cheap theatrical tricks... the butler gets paid to do the grunt work. :whistling:


Jack

I thought you fired the butler?

unclebob
08-03-2010, 14:48
I can't believe jack didn't show you that trick. It is almost as good as putting some cornmeal in with your powder so that you clean your gun while you shoot it.

What do you mean Jack showing me that trick? I taught Jack everything he knows. Now I just canít remember what I thought him.:embarassed::supergrin:

JWP
08-03-2010, 15:04
load till split/lost/head expands

shooting in fa uzi allows the head to expand and the slam action of the open bolt tends to obliterate the headstamp, so after about 5 loads it isn't capable of holding a primer

:tongueout::tongueout::tongueout:

RustyFN
08-03-2010, 16:23
I reload straight wall pistol brass until they split or won't hold a primer. They usually get lost first.

dbarry
08-03-2010, 16:34
I've reload in the garage and step outside and shoot. One afternoon I took a piece of 9mm brass and reloaded it over and over w/ 4.8gr bullseye & 115gr berry's bullet (pretty snappy load). I stopped at 15 and the brass was still good. I'll have to try the experiment again and report back.

FiremanMike
08-03-2010, 16:37
Fireman doesn't trust us. He posted over at Brian Enos as well. Sneaky guy even has a different screen name over there as well. I responded to his thread over there with the exact opposite advice just to screw with him.

JK

I don't even know what site your talking about, not me..

DoctaGlockta
08-03-2010, 16:44
I've reload in the garage and step outside and shoot. One afternoon I took a piece of 9mm brass and reloaded it over and over w/ 4.8gr bullseye & 115gr berry's bullet (pretty snappy load). I stopped at 15 and the brass was still good. I'll have to try the experiment again and report back.
Man I would love to live in a place like that.

TORCHRIDER
08-03-2010, 16:45
Man I would love to live in a place like that.

Brooklyn? :rofl:

GioaJack
08-03-2010, 16:52
Fireman doesn't trust us. He posted over at Brian Enos as well. Sneaky guy even has a different screen name over there as well. I responded to his thread over there with the exact opposite advice just to screw with him.

JK


To screw with 'im or to make sure you'd be right on at least one forum? :supergrin:


Jack

Jon_R
08-03-2010, 17:02
I really don't know. Almost all my rounds are shot in matches. I don't pick up the brass. Next month I buy clean brass from a guy who spends the time picking up the brass and cleaning it. I load it and shoot it. Repeat 3-4 times a month. I am sure I have bought the same piece of brass 10 times. :dunno:

I load any pistol brass that will load.

dbarry
08-03-2010, 18:51
Attached pics of same piece of brass fired 15x. It is more ding'd up from hitting the concrete than from being fired.

Primer still seating normally, not loose. (Using CCI 500)

I'll clean up the case and have my daughter take some pics of it w/ her macro lens. I think it is good for another 15x? I don't know. Like previous post'r said, I probably loose them long before they wear out.

PCJim
08-03-2010, 19:56
I could probably perform that same test in my backyard. I say probably, as I'm sure the neighbors would have the police here by the time I got to 15. :supergrin:

DB, great test! Thanks for that posting.

dbarry
08-03-2010, 20:37
Thanks PC. I cleaned up the brass, my daughter came home from work & I had her take some pics with her macro lens. Yikes, honest, this piece of brass doesn't look this bad w/out the camera...

dbarry
08-03-2010, 20:39
...maybe it wont be good for another 15x. (Maybe if it wasn't hitting the concrete every time)

DWARREN123
08-03-2010, 23:24
Til I do not like the way it looks anymore then I recycle it.
I use a single stage press and inspect the case/round at each step.

Hoser
08-04-2010, 06:55
I load them till I lose them.

Cant tell you how many reloads I have on some of my brass. I bet 10-15.

However I did get a batch of WCC06 9x19 brass that blew goat. One reload and it split. Must have been that green GI ammo loaded to +P+++. I leave that stuff on the ground for the brass rats.

PCJim
08-04-2010, 08:46
DB, I think you've shown that 9mm brass should have an "end of useful life" warning of about 15 reloads. As you stated, if it wasn't hitting concrete after each firing it probably would not look so bad.

Most/all of my RPU brass is obtained off a concrete floor at an outdoor range. The brass gets swept into piles before being collected. Oftentimes, the outside of the cases have a lot of scratches on them, evidence of having been swept around. I reload them just the same, although none of my reloads are what I consider pushing the envelope.

I keep all my brass in ammo cans after it is cleaned. Those cans are rotated for use, much the same as a grocer rotates his inventory. I try to spread out their usage without hitting one particular batch too hard.

FiremanMike
08-06-2010, 14:35
DB, I couldn't figure out a way to quote your pictures, but picture #4, that is exactly what several of my case walls look like. Granted my rims aren't nearly as chewed up as yours, but that scratching is what I was concerned about.

Consensus is those are still good cases? (again assuming I'm loading towards the bottom-mid of the load data)

dbarry
08-06-2010, 19:35
I may take that piece out and shoot it a few more times. Really, the pics do look horrible, but to put that piece in your hand and look at it, I wouldn't think twice about reloading it.

I'll post more pics if I shoot it more tomorrow.

dbarry
08-06-2010, 19:36
Consensus is those are still good cases? (again assuming I'm loading towards the bottom-mid of the load data)

FM, I'm weighing in that it is still good brass.

Cobra64
08-06-2010, 19:58
I reuse them all till I use them or they split.


Me too.


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Ammo/P1030950.jpg



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GioaJack
08-06-2010, 20:27
Me too.


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Ammo/P1030950.jpg



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Cobra is posting his weird pictures again, he must be bored. Probably ran out of Viagra... it's easy to do when you have to take six at a time. :whistling:


Jack

Cobra64
08-06-2010, 21:18
Cobra is posting his weird pictures again, he must be bored. Probably ran out of Viagra... it's easy to do when you have to take six at a time. :whistling:

Jack

I buy the Blue Pill by the pallet. :rofl:


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/11/30/article-1232101-0768502C000005DC-204_964x642.jpg




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PCJim
08-06-2010, 23:04
Ummm...

Cobra posts a picture of a choir's hand bell and then a warehouse full of.....blue pills? He must be up to something....:whistling:

Cobra64
08-06-2010, 23:28
Ummm...

Cobra posts a picture of a choir's hand bell and then a warehouse full of.....blue pills? He must be up to something....:whistling:

Lil Jimmy, you need to study ABCs of Reloading a little more. If you're going to get into this hobby you need to recognize brass, specifically pistol brass; in this case, .38 Super Starline brass sized in a 9mm die. :supergrin:


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Ammo/P1030947.jpg


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TheGrimReaper
08-06-2010, 23:33
Till it splits or I lose it. Usually I lose it first!

Boxerglocker
08-07-2010, 00:04
Till it splits or I lose it. Usually I lose it first!

Ditto! :supergrin:

FiremanMike
08-07-2010, 05:45
I may take that piece out and shoot it a few more times. Really, the pics do look horrible, but to put that piece in your hand and look at it, I wouldn't think twice about reloading it.

I'll post more pics if I shoot it more tomorrow.

My case rim doesn't have any extractor gouges like yours, only tiny scratches "spidering" all over the outside of the case wall..

dbarry
08-07-2010, 05:50
yeah, I dont know if that (extractor gouges) is strickly a keltec thing or not. I had my P11 on me so I used it. I may take the G19 start with a new piece and use a tarp for the next test...

dbarry
08-07-2010, 05:51
nice cool sunny morning, like to get started now, but would torque off the neighbors!

GioaJack
08-07-2010, 08:31
nice cool sunny morning, like to get started now, but would torque off the neighbors!


If you have a gun in your hand why are you worried about the neighbors? :dunno:


Jack

dbarry
08-07-2010, 09:45
If you have a gun in your hand why are you worried about the neighbors? :dunno:


Jack

...they shoot better than I do! :embarassed:

SNH Glocks
08-07-2010, 10:22
I keep using them until they split or I lose them.

PCJim
08-07-2010, 14:54
Lil Jimmy, you need to study ABCs of Reloading a little more. If you're going to get into this hobby you need to recognize brass, specifically pistol brass; in this case, .38 Super Starline brass sized in a 9mm die. :supergrin:
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Cobra, just trying to ring your bell.

On another note, since that post I have been unable to access GT from the desktop computer. Certainly didn't mean to offend anyone if that was the case.

Cobra64
08-07-2010, 15:34
Cobra, just trying to ring your bell.

On another note, since that post I have been unable to access GT from the desktop computer. Certainly didn't mean to offend anyone if that was the case.

I knew you were.


http://www.tower-bridge.org.uk/bell.jpg



:rofl:

Milltown
08-07-2010, 15:38
I'm not worried til I see a split.

dbarry
08-07-2010, 16:51
...speaking of seeing a split. I took that same 9mm piece out to see how many more reloads it would make. It lasted four more times, for a total of 19 reloads, before I noticed a split. Now, if it wasn't landing on concrete I believe it would have lasted longer than that. I think the concrete is much harder on the brass than the gun/reloading it.

I'll post pictures when my daughter (w/ her awesome camera) gets home.

dbarry
08-07-2010, 16:53
Jack: I waited till afternoon & didn't have to get into a shootout with one of the McCoy's across the road. ...i think they were out drinking tequila till late! :o)

dbarry
08-07-2010, 20:23
Here's pics after shooting the piece discussed earlier 15 times. I shot it 4 more times today (still w/ the P11) for total of 19 times. A split started that I'm not sure I would have noticed except I was checking it carefully.

GioaJack
08-07-2010, 20:25
The case head is still there... load it again!


Jack

dbarry
08-07-2010, 20:29
Jack - naw, me thinks I'll call this one retired @ 19. (too bad I'm going to have to wait till I'm 79!)

GioaJack
08-07-2010, 20:34
Jack - naw, me thinks I'll call this one retired @ 19. (too bad I'm going to have to wait till I'm 79!)


Flatland sissy. :supergrin:


Jack

PCJim
08-07-2010, 20:36
db, I take it you are referring to what appears to be a split in the extractor groove? Is that what I'm seeing there?

dbarry
08-07-2010, 20:37
Flatland sissy. :supergrin:


Jack

flat out here it is! call me a sissy again & I'll whack u w/ my purse...:supergrin:

dbarry
08-07-2010, 20:41
db, I take it you are referring to what appears to be a split in the extractor groove? Is that what I'm seeing there?

no, i think that is intact, it was @ the case mouth. It was very apparent until I resized it (doh! :homer:) The split was probably couple one hundreds of an inch, but didn't want to push my luck.

Colorado4Wheel
08-07-2010, 20:55
Here's pics after shooting the piece discussed earlier 15 times. I shot it 4 more times today (still w/ the P11) for total of 19 times. A split started that I'm not sure I would have noticed except I was checking it carefully.

I have yet to have a split case slip past me when I case gauge my ammo. But your right, it's hard to visually catch all this types of things. IF you had fired it nothing horrible would have happened.

dbarry
08-07-2010, 20:57
202188db, I take it you are referring to what appears to be a split in the extractor groove? Is that what I'm seeing there?

PC-if you are referring to "C" - no, that is just beat up from the extractor.

btwn a&b there is the split.

unclebob
08-07-2010, 20:57
no, i think that is intact, it was @ the case mouth. It was very apparent until I resized it (doh! :homer:) The split was probably couple one hundreds of an inch, but didn't want to push my luck.

It would have fired and nothen would have happened.
Case splitting is no big deal. The only thing it well do is erode you chamber. Just like when you shoot 38 in a .357 mag gun. And you have those two rings in the chamber. If you have a base and case body separation that is when you run into trouble.

unclebob
08-07-2010, 21:07
Your P11 extractor is sure hard on brass bases.

kshutt
08-08-2010, 08:39
Some of my .45 brass is as old as Jack, and I use it until it splits. :whistling:

dbarry
08-08-2010, 09:03
Your P11 extractor is sure hard on brass bases.

it is. dont know if that is normal for a p11 or not... topic for a keltec thread.