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agent00
08-05-2010, 15:33
Hi, it's me again with a new question. I am looking for an good defense l oad for my glock 19. Since 2008 the silly non jhp ban for handguns has finally lightend here in austria. And as I am in an shooting club, I can get the evil jhp rounds. Here in Austria i can get the winchester silvertips, speer goldots and the the federal classic 9mm jhps.


and some magtech jhps

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=989888

It would be also possible to get some remington +p 115 grain jhps.

Witch of these rounds would you rocomend for sd or would you recomend something else.?



I would be pleasesd hearing some answers.

Greetings from austria.

JBP55
08-05-2010, 15:35
Gold Dot.

1SGMP
08-05-2010, 15:42
Hi, it's me again with a new question. I am looking for an good defense l oad for my glock 19. Since 2008 the silly non jhp ban for handguns has finally lightend here in austria. And as I am in an shooting club, I can get the evil jhp rounds. Here in Austria i can get the winchester silvertips, speer goldots and the the federal classic 9mm jhps.


and some magtech jhps

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=989888

It would be also possible to get some remington +p 115 grain jhps.

Witch of these rounds would you rocomend for sd or would you recomend something else.?



I would be pleasesd hearing some answers.

Greetings from austria.
Hi
the 7th largest army in the world (NYPD) uses the speer GDHP 124 grain +P with great sucess. The Illoinis State police were one of the First Police depts in this country to use the 9mm, in the 115 +P+ configuration with great success also. The US Border patrol used the 115 grain +P+ and they were happy with that round. In fact the Border patrol has more Officer Involved shootings than ANY dept in the country. either round is good for your 9mm, shot placement and a sharp tactical mind will win the fight. Personally I carry the GDHP in my G-19 G-26 and my Sig 228.
Hope this helps

1SG
Out

IndyGunFreak
08-05-2010, 15:43
Any of them are probably good. I'm assuming you're looking at target shooting, and not self defense/ccw... does Austria have CCW?

I like the Gold Dots.

agent00
08-05-2010, 15:48
Thx for the answers. @indygunFreak Well with an special document, it is allowed to carry, but since 20 years it is very hard to get this special permition. For fun/target shooting I use s&b 115 grain fmjs rounds. I am looking for an decent short range home defense load.

James Dean
08-05-2010, 16:14
I use 124gr Gold Dots

rome2240sw
08-05-2010, 17:07
i always liked the gold dots when it comes to .380's and 9mm's. I also have heard great things about Federal HSTs for the 9mm.

ColCol
08-05-2010, 17:15
As soon as my guy gets another supply in, I'm going to try the Federal 9BPLE. I think it was among the first to really get the ball rolling for the 9mm and has a good track record..

DRT
08-05-2010, 18:51
If those are the only loads you can buy, better learn how to use your pistol like a club.

:supergrin:

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DonGlock26
08-06-2010, 05:41
I'd use the Speer 124+P GD. I believe French police agencies are using it, too.

http://www.yourdefencenews.com/news_item.php?newsID=34324

Jim Watson
08-06-2010, 08:48
I have long used the Federal 9BP, 115 grain standard velocity hollowpoint.
It may not be the newest, fastest, and most expansive, but I have found that it feeds reliably and shoots accurately in my guns. It would take a lot of time and money to test another load as thoroughly.

ColCol
08-06-2010, 11:59
I have long used the Federal 9BP, 115 grain standard velocity hollowpoint.
It may not be the newest, fastest, and most expansive, but I have found that it feeds reliably and shoots accurately in my guns. It would take a lot of time and money to test another load as thoroughly.


That was and still is a good load. somewhere in my magazine archives is an article Mas Ayoob did on 9mm ammo back in the '90's, best I recall. He was attending an autopsy and the coroner exclaimed something to the effect that, "What sort of bullet was this? It looks like a rotary rooter went through this guy." Not an exact quote but he did mention "rotary rooter" I recall.

tx787
08-06-2010, 12:18
Are you able to use deadly force to protect yourself in Austria, if not why bother getting JHP's?

vanilla_gorilla
08-06-2010, 15:31
Gold Dot.

This.

mastrbloata
08-06-2010, 17:29
The "Gold Dots."

packinaglock
08-06-2010, 17:37
Out of those, it would be Gold Dots.

Berto
08-06-2010, 19:30
The Gold Dots have a good reputation for performing well under a wide spectrum of velocities and circumstances, I'd choose them, in 124gr.

TheGrimReaper
08-06-2010, 23:10
Gold Dots all the way. That or some HST's!!!

agent00
08-07-2010, 01:06
tx787 yes it allowed to use a handgun for self defense.

@all thx for your answers. Then I will buy some gold dots.

ps: would you recomend the standard velocity 124 grain or the +p load?

mastrbloata
08-07-2010, 05:16
I use the +P in the Speer Gold Dots for my G-17 but I'd use the standard pressure as well. So, either for me. As an aside, what was the reason that the government there got their panties in a wad over JHP ammunition pre 2008, anyhow?

BadAndy
08-07-2010, 09:17
Go with +P. They perform really well.

Zombie Steve
08-07-2010, 10:22
Another vote for Gold Dots.

Tschuss!

cole
08-07-2010, 12:38
Another vote for Gold Dots.

Tschuss!

Ditto. But, I'd take almost any major maker (in 147gr).

mastrbloata
08-07-2010, 14:31
That was and still is a good load. somewhere in my magazine archives is an article Mas Ayoob did on 9mm ammo back in the '90's, best I recall. He was attending an autopsy and the coroner exclaimed something to the effect that, "What sort of bullet was this? It looks like a rotary rooter went through this guy." Not an exact quote but he did mention "rotary rooter" I recall."Roto tiller."

Retseh
08-07-2010, 21:32
Gold Dot 124gr +p

glock031
08-07-2010, 22:48
I'd feel comfortable with (no special order) ranger talons LE 127 +p+, HST LE 124 +P or 147+p, Gold dot LE 124+p and PDX1 124+p. Although the most recoil i ever felt in my G19 came from shooting corbon 115+p.

Darkangel1846
08-08-2010, 12:27
Hi, it's me again with a new question. I am looking for an good defense l oad for my glock 19. Since 2008 the silly non jhp ban for handguns has finally lightend here in austria. And as I am in an shooting club, I can get the evil jhp rounds. Here in Austria i can get the winchester silvertips, speer goldots and the the federal classic 9mm jhps.


and some magtech jhps

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=989888

It would be also possible to get some remington +p 115 grain jhps.

Witch of these rounds would you rocomend for sd or would you recomend something else.?



I would be pleasesd hearing some answers.

Greetings from austria.

Any good brand of SD ammo is ok, avoid new fantastic stuff on the market until proven.:wavey:

BrokenArrow
08-13-2010, 10:15
Magtech First Defense 92.6g SCHP (solid copper hollow point)
Barnes 115g XPB (CorBon and Black Hills)
124 std/+P/+P+ from Speer, Federal, Remington, Winchester
147 Ditto.

From above, get what you like, or flip a coin and like what you get. :supergrin:

Clay1
08-13-2010, 11:11
Someone here mentioned the the 147 grain loads. Most use the 115 or 124s. Here is something to consider. I remember someone on this board, a Dr, who shot a rotty, with those very hot 95 grain cor-bons. Dog dropped, with a close to spine shot, but recovered and lived. Lots of shock at the entry wound, but little penetration.

In Wiscsonsin in the winter time, many wear HEAVY layers of clothing. I shoot the 147s in my self defense 9 mm. I think it does better through vehicle doors, vehicle glass and through heavy clothing. In the summer time when everyone is in a T shirt the auto penetration still interests me.

Take a heavy man with a thick shirt, sweater and a big jacket and you just are not going to get the same kind of penetration with a lighter bullet as you would with a heavier one.

Just one guys opinion.

mitchshrader
08-13-2010, 11:18
Penetration and shot placement. I prefer anybody's +P, heavy for caliber (in modern commercial ammo).. which for 9mm translates to 147gr +P. In .38/.357 I use 158 gr +P .38's or .357 158s..

There is no way to compensate for penetration and the best way to get there is a heavy bullet. In Mag-Tech, you can get a 147 gr SOFT point, no hollow point, that will be very sturdy from pistol caliber carbines, Hi Point to Berreta Storm to Sub 2000 and they get near-rifle performance from a near pistol size weapon.

For full size service weapons (5"+ barrel) the facts still apply, just less so. Longer the barrel, more likely a heavy bullet makes sense.

agent00
08-13-2010, 12:30
thx for the infos concerning the 147 grain loads. I will check out which 147 grain loads are availalby. IN winter it wouldn't be a bad idea to use an heavy bullet for getting through thick clothing.

BrokenArrow
08-13-2010, 13:30
Through 4 layers of denim into gel, avg of 5 shots:

Speer 115 +P+ GD 15.9/.53
Speer 124 GD 16.6/.51
Speer 124 GD +P 15.9/.56
Speer 147 GD 16.9/.54

As usual, your gun, ammo, gel, and bad guy may vary. :supergrin: