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repoman1984
08-06-2010, 19:10
Apparently I did very well on the prelim test. I dont have any specific career goals I'd like to enter in law enforcement of some kind after I exit. Knowing what you know now what job would you go for?

freedom790
08-08-2010, 01:41
There will always be a need for law enforcement because there will always be bad guys wanting to do evil, and good guys that for one reason or another are either incapable of protecting themselves or cannot protect themselves. I'm a 3p071, in AF talk it means cop. If an LE career is what you want when you get out then I suggest you use the education resources that the army provides you, get your degree, and attend as many schools as possible. I don't know about Army MPs, but here in the AF we attend schools alongside the local LE and have a joint training complex here on the base where civilian and military LE train together. FWIW, I enlisted almost 6 years ago and I have had the best time in my life!

trlcavscout
08-08-2010, 21:10
Relax and dont be nervous. The asvab is cake, the only area I studied was the ropes and pulleys. I didnt score high enough in one area to make MP when I enlisted, thats what I wanted. But any combat MOS will look good, 11B, 19D (me) etc. But there are alot of easier MOS's if you dont want to go that route. Good luck!

M1A Shooter
08-08-2010, 21:51
just got out from being a MP for 10 years. liked most of it.

the asvab is cake so i wouldnt stress it.

if you do go the MP route, try to get into schools such as SRT, PSD, Traffic, or K9. you could also go into CID and possibly be a warrant officer. thats of course if you decide to go the career route. if you just want the school to be a civilian cop once you get out, concentrate on using the college benefits. i got 12 credit hours for just going through MP school. thats most of your first year of criminal justice minus the core classes like english and math etc.

repoman1984
08-09-2010, 22:04
Got a 96 but there were no MP/Intel positions available I'm going to call up the Marine/air Force office and see whats available.

mikeflys1
08-09-2010, 22:58
No MP positions? That doesn't seem possible.

freedom790
08-10-2010, 00:22
Got a 96 but there were no MP/Intel positions available I'm going to call up the Marine/air Force office and see whats available.

They won't even put you into DEP until you get an MP slot? I know for a fact you can get into the AF as a cop, but you more than likely won't be doing any LE for a while, you'll start out on the security side. AF cops do everything from guarding money transfers and airplanes to bodyguard missions both stateside and overseas. Unfortunately we are also the red headed step children and are used for all kinds of "female dog" duty.

Whatever branch you decide to go into, I give you my thanks before-hand for having the courage to step up and do your part, especially during these times.

repoman1984
08-10-2010, 02:48
No MP positions? That doesn't seem possible.


No, even with the 96, I was offered was field medic, special forces, some kind of nuclear/bio hazard response, and frankly I don't think I'm tough enough for 18xray.

M1A Shooter
08-10-2010, 19:23
try to get them to call milpers directly and see if they can get you into MP. every unit i have ever been in was severely undermanned. there has to be a way.

JBarbaresi
08-20-2010, 20:15
good job on your asvab. i have been an army recruiter for over 5 years and mp is one of the highest demanded jobs out there. everyone and their cousins wants to be an mp, its usually not readily available past the first half of the fiscal year. if you're not in a rush to leave tell your recruiter to keep checking the system every day, the mornings are the best time for odds-and-ends jobs to be available on the system. if he's willing to put in the work make sure he can get in touch with you just in case a couple training seats do open up, they will likely be gone within 15-30 minutes. worst case scenario... the new fiscal year kicks off oct 1st and they are likely to open up a whole bunch of new training seats, that would be your best bet if you are dead set on being an mp.

a word of advice, the army is the only branch that guarantees specific mos training to 100% of its enlistees. this is the only reason your army recruiter is able to tell you flat out whether mp is available or not. the marines and air force do open ended contracts where you don't get assigned an mos until after you have completed your intitial boot camp training, so they will tell you all day long what you may be able to do down the road, but since they aren't obligated to put it into a contract for you there's no telling whether that's what you will end up doing as a job or not.

if you need any help or advice with your enlistment please feel free to ask. army recruiting is very transparent and even if your recruiter wanted to lie to you there's not much that isn't put into black and white into your contract.

Glocks&Ducs
08-20-2010, 20:48
... the marines and air force do open ended contracts where you don't get assigned an mos until after you have completed your intitial boot camp training, so they will tell you all day long what you may be able to do down the road, but since they aren't obligated to put it into a contract for you there's no telling whether that's what you will end up doing as a job or not...

I was recruiter in the Marine Corps. You don't know what you are talking about.

Glocks&Ducs
08-20-2010, 20:51
repoman. I would talk to your local LE and see what their policy is on hiring former MPs. While I never asked personally, I have heard from many a people that police agencies actually do not like to hire former MPs.

JBarbaresi
08-20-2010, 21:55
I was recruiter in the Marine Corps. You don't know what you are talking about.

well why don't you explain it to me and prove me wrong guy. not my first rodeo dealing with screwed over usmc applicants.

Glocks&Ducs
08-20-2010, 22:16
well why don't you explain it to me and prove me wrong guy. not my first rodeo dealing with screwed over usmc applicants.

Well, first off, MP is a guaranteed job. Even in the Marine Corps. It has to be, because the qualifications are pretty stringent. There are other hot fill jobs that pop up and they have to be filled by a certain individual at a certain time, so those jobs are also guaranteed, and many times they rate a bonus or accelerated promotion.

Provided the applicant meets a certain ASVAB score and moral qualifications, many can be offered a contract where they can choose a job field, and choose three specific jobs within that field, or they can simply be guaranteed a certain job field. This is all done in black and white writing, just as it is in any other service. While the Marine recruit does have the option of entering on an open contract, it is thoroughly explained to them up front, and they have to sign paperwork stating that they understand they are going in under open contract. With that in mind, people don't even realize that you actually have to go into Infantry as a pretty much guaranteed option, because being assigned to the Infantry is actually forbidden under the current open contracts.

And I hardly doubt you have been dealing with screwed over Marine applicants. You probably just got people that chickened out of the Marine Corps, or more likely were disqualified, and gave you some sob story. When I was on recruiting, we would routinely send people towards the Army because they didn't meet the minimum 31 on the ASVAB, but they met the Army's minimum of 18. The Army was also allowed to accept applicants that we were not allowed to touch because of the moral waivers they required.

JBarbaresi
08-20-2010, 23:42
Well, first off, MP is a guaranteed job. Even in the Marine Corps. It has to be, because the qualifications are pretty stringent. There are other hot fill jobs that pop up and they have to be filled by a certain individual at a certain time, so those jobs are also guaranteed, and many times they rate a bonus or accelerated promotion.

Provided the applicant meets a certain ASVAB score and moral qualifications, many can be offered a contract where they can choose a job field, and choose three specific jobs within that field, or they can simply be guaranteed a certain job field. This is all done in black and white writing, just as it is in any other service. While the Marine recruit does have the option of entering on an open contract, it is thoroughly explained to them up front, and they have to sign paperwork stating that they understand they are going in under open contract. With that in mind, people don't even realize that you actually have to go into Infantry as a pretty much guaranteed option, because being assigned to the Infantry is actually forbidden under the current open contracts.

And I hardly doubt you have been dealing with screwed over Marine applicants. You probably just got people that chickened out of the Marine Corps, or more likely were disqualified, and gave you some sob story. When I was on recruiting, we would routinely send people towards the Army because they didn't meet the minimum 31 on the ASVAB, but they met the Army's minimum of 18. The Army was also allowed to accept applicants that we were not allowed to touch because of the moral waivers they required.

for the sake of this young man who is trying to serve his country and get some honest answers lets not mislead him with a play on words. i never said the air force or usmc doesn't guarantee jobs to any of its applicants. as you stated they do put people in on open ended contracts, which is precisely all i said. my wife's cousin just got screwed over by the air force when he got done with boot camp because the medical laboratory job he was "promised" as part of his contract was no longer available and he got thrown into a SP job. the army does not do any open ended contracts or any "career field" contracts, every single applicant regardless of asvab score has guaranteed training in a specific mos of their choosing, provided they qualify and there is training available in that mos. any applicant who is looking to process into the army can sit in a local recruiting station with their recruiter and see with 100% certainty what jobs are being offered to them based off their qualifications and training vacancies (with the exception of prior service personnel). that is before they even have to complete their physical or commit to any other processing at the MEPs, i'm sorry but no other branch can offer or claim that.

i don't know when you were a recruiter but i've been in recruiting since 2005, the minimum asvab qualification for the army has always been a 31 since i've been here with the exception of short periods of time around 2006 when enlistments as a whole were down. when additional soldiers were needed to fill requirements set forth by congress there were short periods of time usually spanning only a few days in which applicants with scores as low as 21 could enlist. it was not the norm and hasn't been the case for several years now. and to catch you up to speed the moral enlistment standards into the usmc are much more relaxed than the army currently, we basically can't run any moral waivers any longer.

my office is located in stafford, va which is directly south of quantico mcb. we turn away on average 5 to 6 active duty marines per week who are trying to transition over to the army because they are stuck in mos they didn't sign up for and can't get promoted to the next pay grade because of the limited promotion opportunities. they come over to us with this notion that simply by expressing interest in "the lesser branch" that they will get an automatic promotion and mos of their choosing, often times demanding it with a typical cocky marine corps attitude as if they were doing us a favor. most change their tune real quick when they find out we can't even help them because they are underqualified in terms of what we need in prior service candidates. if they are all sob stories or chickens then the marine corps must be in pretty sorry shape as a whole. i'm not trying to put down your branch but in your own words the only people who could possibly even phathom the thought of enlisting into the army are the ones who don't make the cut for the marines. there is a point when hype wears out and you need to start thinking logically about a career and not just how tough you feel because of what you're told from day 1 in boot camp. no single branch is better than any of the others and each serves its own function.

Glocks&Ducs
08-21-2010, 07:48
... lets not mislead him with a play on words. i never said the air force or usmc doesn't guarantee jobs to any of its applicants. as you stated they do put people in on open ended contracts, which is precisely all i said...


I wasn't attempting to mislead anyone. I have only spelled out the facts. It looks to me like that was exactly what you were doing though.


... the marines and air force do open ended contracts where you don't get assigned an mos until after you have completed your intitial boot camp training...


And a word of advice. You might want to take some basic English classes at the local community college. It doesn't make the Army look that good, when you are trying to recruit someone that got an AFQT of 96 on the ASVAB, and you don't even know when to use a capital letter.

Glocks&Ducs
08-21-2010, 08:01
... my wife's cousin just got screwed over by the air force when he got done with boot camp because the medical laboratory job he was "promised" as part of his contract was no longer available and he got thrown into a SP job. ...


Are you even in the Army, or are you just one of those "civilian career specialist" the Army hires to do their recruiting? Because I have seen this sob story before, and if you actually paid attention during your time in the service, I am sure you would have seen it also.

Truth of the matter is, what has usually happened in a case like this is that the person who got "screwed over" did something to disqualify themselves from their promised job. They did it to themselves, but they turn around tell their family they got "screwed over" by their branch of service, instead of telling them that they got a DUI, or they failed preliminary testing, or they had a disciplinary problem which caused them to be dropped from the program. Furthermore, no branch can just discard a contract. If your wife's cousin wasn't getting what he signed up for, he could have just as well gotten a discharge instead of getting "screwed over" into a job he didn't want.

Glocks&Ducs
08-21-2010, 08:14
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my office is located in stafford, va which is directly south of quantico mcb. we turn away on average 5 to 6 active duty marines per week who are trying to transition over to the army because they are stuck in mos they didn't sign up for and can't get promoted to the next pay grade because of the limited promotion opportunities. they come over to us with this notion that simply by expressing interest in "the lesser branch" that they will get an automatic promotion and mos of their choosing, often times demanding it with a typical cocky marine corps attitude as if they were doing us a favor. most change their tune real quick when they find out we can't even help them because they are underqualified in terms of what we need in prior service candidates...

I'm going to have to call bullcrap on this claim. While I am not saying it doesn't happen, 5 to 6 times a week is a pure crap statement. But when it does happen, I am willing to bet that what you are seeing are Marines approaching high year tenure, or those that are simply in MOSs that aren't promoting at the time. It generally takes years to reach that point, and that is a hell of a lot of time someone spent in an MOS they didn't even want. In either case, they have reached their wit's end so they are willing to drop down a notch in their career aspirations. And you are most likely turning them away because a recruiter doesn't get credit for service transitions, so most recruiter's won't waste their time on them.

JBarbaresi
08-21-2010, 08:37
And a word of advice. You might want to take some basic English classes at the local community college. It doesn't make the Army look that good, when you are trying to recruit someone that got an AFQT of 96 on the ASVAB, and you don't even know when to use a capital letter.

sorry, next time i'm worried about someone grading my grammar on a glock foum i'll keep that in mind. and excellent job of dealing with the facts i've laid out, change the topic and attack.

Are you even in the Army, or are you just one of those "civilian career specialist" the Army hires to do their recruiting? Because I have seen this sob story before, and if you actually paid attention during your time in the service, I am sure you would have seen it also.

darn, you got me, i've been exposed. do yourself a favor and go hang out with the rest of your like-minded brethren in the usmc forums before you embarrass yourself any further. i'm not going to sit here and have a pissing contest with you when you are obviously backed into a corner and have no explanations for anything i stated other than how stupid i am because i'm in the army.

repoman1984: i'll give you the same advice i give all the applicants who come into my office who are undecided on what they want to do. you need to figure out for yourself what it is you are looking to get out of the military. try to decide where you would like to see yourself in 5 and 10 years down the road, have a plan for whether you stay in the military or decide to get out. the only thing i can tell you with 100% certainty is how the army can help you acheive those goals. go talk to the navy, air force, marine, and coast guard recruiters as well. each branch of service is different, each offers different incentives, each can guarantee different things to you upfront. you need to make a decision which branch is going to get you where you are trying to go. my reason for telling you about open-ended contracts in the first place was to make sure you are asking the right questions when you speak with the various recruiters, because they obviously aren't going to be truthful with you even after they've been exposed for what they are. as you can see, a guaranteed job in the other branches means unless you enlist into one of a handful of jobs that are actually guaranteed you have to choose a career field and then pick three jobs you like within that field and maybe you'll get one of those after your initial training is over. if you consider that to be a guarantee like glocks&ducs does then so be it. you might be ok with those uncertainties, i myself would like to know what i'm enlisting for. i can't tell you how many people i talk to who want to join one branch or the other just because their parents had served in that branch, not caring about anything else. that's fine too, but again you need to figure out what's important to you and then ask the right questions to decide which branch is going to give you those things. please let me know if you have any other questions pertaining to an army enlistment or if you would like me to fact check anything you are being told by any of the recruiters you talk to, army included.

JBarbaresi
08-21-2010, 08:45
I'm going to have to call bullcrap on this claim. While I am not saying it doesn't happen, 5 to 6 times a week is a pure crap statement. But when it does happen, I am willing to bet that what you are seeing are Marines approaching high year tenure, or those that are simply in MOSs that aren't promoting at the time. It generally takes years to reach that point, and that is a hell of a lot of time someone spent in an MOS they didn't even want. In either case, they have reached their wit's end so they are willing to drop down a notch in their career aspirations. And you are most likely turning them away because a recruiter doesn't get credit for service transitions, so most recruiter's won't waste their time on them.

wow you just can't drop this can you? so based off your speculations and what you THINK might be going on, i must be wrong or lying? is that your argument? sorry, i don't stand to benefit in any way by lying about that, and i really don't care what you think is BS.

and yes we do get credit for service transitions IF we are able to bring them over. so thank you but you are flat out wrong again. please do not comment further on things you have no idea about.

Glocks&Ducs
08-21-2010, 08:45
sorry, next time i'm worried about someone grading my grammar on a glock foum i'll keep that in mind. and excellent job of dealing with the facts i've laid out, change the topic and attack.



darn, you got me, i've been exposed. do yourself a favor and go hang out with the rest of your like-minded brethren in the usmc forums before you embarrass yourself any further. i'm not going to sit here and have a pissing contest with you when you are obviously backed into a corner and have no explanations for anything i stated other than how stupid i am because i'm in the army.

repoman1984: i'll give you the same advice i give all the applicants who come into my office who are undecided on what they want to do. you need to figure out for yourself what it is you are looking to get out of the military. try to decide where you would like to see yourself in 5 and 10 years down the road, have a plan for whether you stay in the military or decide to get out. the only thing i can tell you with 100% certainty is how the army can help you acheive those goals. go talk to the navy, air force, marine, and coast guard recruiters as well. each branch of service is different, each offers different incentives, each can guarantee different things to you upfront. you need to make a decision which branch is going to get you where you are trying to go. my reason for telling you about open-ended contracts in the first place was to make sure you are asking the right questions when you speak with the various recruiters, because they obviously aren't going to be truthful with you even after they've been exposed for what they are. as you can see, a guaranteed job in the other branches means unless you enlist into one of a handful of jobs that are actually guaranteed you have to choose a career field and then pick three jobs you like within that field and maybe you'll get one of those after your initial training is over. if you consider that to be a guarantee like glocks&ducs does then so be it. you might be ok with those uncertainties, i myself would like to know what i'm enlisting for. i can't tell you how many people i talk to who want to join one branch or the other just because their parents had served in that branch, not caring about anything else. that's fine too, but again you need to figure out what's important to you and then ask the right questions to decide which branch is going to give you those things. please let me know if you have any other questions pertaining to an army enlistment or if you would like me to fact check anything you are being told by any of the recruiters you talk to, army included.


JB. You are a bonafide retard if you think I am the one that needs to be embarrassed.

JBarbaresi
08-21-2010, 09:12
JB. You are a bonafide retard if you think I am the one that needs to be embarrassed.

such a compelling argument you have my man. look, judging solely off your signature you've been out of the marines for at least 6 years now. are you really going to continue to argue with me about current day military recruiting or the military in general?

nevermind, you still have yet to make an argument. almost nothing you have said is factually accurate and when you can't substantiate your claims you have managed to insult the entire army, call me uneducated, a liar, and a retard. you're right, i am embarrassed, but only because i've allowed you to continue on for this long. have a pleasant day.

Glocks&Ducs
08-21-2010, 09:20
such a compelling argument you have my man. look, judging solely off your signature you've been out of the marines for at least 6 years now. are you really going to continue to argue with me about current day military recruiting or the military in general?

nevermind, you still have yet to make an argument. almost nothing you have said is factually accurate and when you can't substantiate your claims you have managed to insult the entire army, call me uneducated, a liar, and a retard. you're right, i am embarrassed, but only because i've allowed you to continue on for this long. have a pleasant day.

I haven't called you anything. I have pointed out, what you have displayed, and that includes a warped sense of reality.

hoven88
08-22-2010, 16:14
repoman, try considering the Coast Guard. I work with quite a few gentleman that went from active duty USCG to the Reserve and are currently LEOs. (Sherriff, Department Environmental Protection and Florida Wildlife Commission). Recruiting is pretty locked up right now for the USCG but that should change at the end of October. Law enforcement is what the Coast Guard does, so check it out.

CPT_CRUNCH
08-26-2010, 22:09
its been said... dont sweat the asvab. if you really feel you want a career in LE my suggestion is to become an MP, all the services have them. and even though any career field you enter in the military can potentially give you a leg up when you do decide to go LE, i believe that being in a MP career field will give you numerous benefits regarding training. training that you may not receive if you were not an MP.
also i suggest you consider all the services. some will have a bigger LE mission that others. for example (as previously mentioned) if you were in the airforce and in security forces, you'd get a lot of experience guarding airfields. that might not be the sexy LE experience you'd want. but you'd also get experience in the LE field. some mentioned considering the coast guard. those guys get A LOT of LE training that just isnt offered in the other services.
best of luck!

md2lgyk
08-30-2010, 09:59
With a 96 on the ASVAB, just trot yourself over to a Navy recruiter and tell him/her you want to be a Nuke.

JBarbaresi
08-30-2010, 10:53
its been a couple weeks since this thread was started, i hope by now you have spoken with all the service recruiters to weigh your different options. do you have any updates?

SAM88A
09-08-2010, 01:19
To make things simple it doesn't really matter what your job or branch of service is when it comes to LE jobs after you get out. You will not be certified as peace officer in any state so you will get your 5 points veterans preferance. This holds true no matter if you are a cook or a disgruntled recruiter or a MP. The bottom line is it does not matter. I was enlisted and got out and applied at Dallas, Houston, and Texas DPS and was told the same thing by each of these agencies before returning to college and becoming a Commissioned Officer so it really doesn't matter. Go with what you will enjoy doing.

repoman1984
09-15-2010, 03:07
its been a couple weeks since this thread was started, i hope by now you have spoken with all the service recruiters to weigh your different options. do you have any updates?


USMC DD (intel) was a very close second but I was luckily contacted by people who had been USAF intel from GT and even happened to have a family member of someone my father did business with a while back give some input. I'm going for USAF and putting intel at the top of my list of requested MOS I want something that will lateral over to a federal or local LE.

Glocks&Ducs
09-15-2010, 03:15
USMC DD (intel) was a very close second but I was luckily contacted by people who had been USAF intel from GT and even happened to have a family member of someone my father did business with a while back give some input. I'm going for USAF and putting intel at the top of my list of requested MOS I want something that will lateral over to a federal or local LE.

If you go LE after having an intel background, you are shooting yourself in the foot. I know intel people that have gotten out after just one or two contracts and they are making six figures, if not just shy of it.

repoman1984
09-15-2010, 20:54
If you go LE after having an intel background, you are shooting yourself in the foot. I know intel people that have gotten out after just one or two contracts and they are making six figures, if not just shy of it.

Oh I'm aware of that, I love LE work. I've worked very closely with a few depts in LA I know they all pitch a tent for honorable discharged vets, I like the idea if something in intel-related post Mil doesn't work out I can go for local LEO. My ultimate goal is the path your speaking of, my understanding is the six figure jobs are in private defense contractors or federal agencies, right? Please enlighten me if your talking about something I'm unaware of.

Careby
09-16-2010, 06:20
With a 96 on the ASVAB, just trot yourself over to a Navy recruiter and tell him/her you want to be a Nuke.

Be careful what you wish for!

M1A Shooter
09-16-2010, 06:55
whatever you do, try to stay in long enough to get your e-5, at least in the army - not sure about the other branches, because it will show some level of management. it can be done in just a few years if youre smart and work at it. it opens up a few more doors for you in later career choices.

metrogruntual
09-18-2010, 14:47
we're all getting blown up

those interested in 'giving some back'

find themselves in the infantry

skanless
09-18-2010, 15:03
With a 96 on the ASVAB, just trot yourself over to a Navy recruiter and tell him/her you want to be a Nuke.

Be careful what you wish for!
Can someone care to explain this to me?

metrogruntual
09-18-2010, 15:17
few people CAN be in the navy's nuclear field

fewer DESIRE to be, especially of those who "made it"

md2lgyk
09-20-2010, 10:09
few people CAN be in the navy's nuclear field

fewer DESIRE to be, especially of those who "made it"

So true. But I never understood why so many complained so loudly about being in a job they worked so hard to get into. I was a Nuke ET1(SS) for several years in the 1970s and absolutely loved it. Were it not for my first wife, who hated the military lifestyle, I would've reenlisted again. But I turned down a $40K+ bonus and E-7 and got out. Second biggest mistake of my life. We divorced a few years later. I eventually went back into the military and retired from the Air Force.