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08-12-2010, 19:40
what are people carrying in those .357 magnum snubbies and do you know the actual speeds the 2'' barrel produces? i just wonder how many carry hot .38s or full power magnum loads.

08-13-2010, 00:01
I prefer the short barrel loads that Speer makes. I use both the .38spl +P and .357 magnum. Lots of good testing on the .38spl +P load. There was also a 20 page PDF showing how the bullets were specifically designed for short barrel handguns.



08-13-2010, 09:24
Speer 135gr +p GD in my 340. Velocities out of my 642 were in the 870fps range. +P .38s kick enough for me.

08-13-2010, 09:31
I carry 158gr Golden Saber 38s in mine. I don't see the point of magnums in a snubby.

08-14-2010, 21:09
357Mag. 125G. Federal and Corbon in my 357 Snubs. 135G. +P Gold Dot in my 442 Backup.

08-15-2010, 00:45
135gr Gold Dots in my 49, about 870fps.
Golden Sabers 125gr in my 3" SP101, just over 1200fps.

08-17-2010, 15:15
Winchester Supreme SXT .38 spl +P-130 gr. in my 340PD

08-17-2010, 15:33
Rem. .357mag 125gr. SJHP, the round that "started it all" are in my 640s and sp101 (all of my .357s come to think of it).

Rem. .38spl 158gr. LHP +p, the round that "started it all" in all my .38spls.

08-20-2010, 20:27
In my .357's, Buffalo Bore 158gr....in my .38's.....Hornady 110gr +P CD.

08-22-2010, 10:55
Speer 135gr +p GDHP in my 442.

Two Guns
08-22-2010, 17:39
I carry some hand loaded 135 grainers.

08-22-2010, 18:22
Hornady Critical Defense 125 gr in my SP101 .357 mag of coarse

08-22-2010, 18:26
158gr +P LSWCHP. Call me resistant to change. Nice out of a J Frame, and nicer yet with a 3" bbl.

08-22-2010, 18:37
Blazer 158 grn JHP from a 340SC

08-23-2010, 11:55
158gr +P LSWCHP. Call me resistant to change. Nice out of a J Frame, and nicer yet with a 3" bbl.

its not about change bro, its about finding something new that does what the old stuff doesnt.

the Remington version of your load has record prooven on the street including expansion from a snubby in human adversaries.

yes, there are plenty of new rounds, modern technology....but they dont do anything better than the Rem. load, except maybe cost more....

08-23-2010, 18:49
CorBon 110gr JHP.

08-23-2010, 22:21
Buffalo Bore .38 158 +p.

08-25-2010, 13:56
Definitely Buffalo Bore .38SPL 158gr LSWCHP
Hot Stuff, like they say, it Turbo Charges a .38SPL.
1040FPS energy at 379 ft lbs out of a 2" bbl S&W, not bad at all.

09-03-2010, 20:12
Speer 135gr +p GDHP in my 442.

+1 :thumbsup:

09-03-2010, 20:30
Speer Short Barrel 38spl +P is in my carry J frame.

09-03-2010, 21:18
Definitely Buffalo Bore .38SPL 158gr LSWCHP
Hot Stuff, like they say, it Turbo Charges a .38SPL.
1040FPS energy at 379 ft lbs out of a 2" bbl S&W, not bad at all.

Have you actually chronoed this ? that is a hard to believe velocity for a 158 grain 38 special load, especially out of a 2" revolver.

Great Googly Moogly
09-11-2010, 03:17
Early 80s j frame not +p rated. A good .38 special hollowpoint works fine.

09-11-2010, 13:35
I've used, and will probably continue to use, a number of different loads in my various short-barreled 5-shot revolvers. Sure, sometimes I have a specific preference, and then sometimes I may have to settle for something else because of availability. I've had quite a number of different loads I've tried and used over the years, many of which aren't produced anymore.

At present I think I have a fair amount of Remington 158gr LHP +P, some Rem 125gr GS +P, a lot of Speer 125gr +P, some Speer 135gr +P and some of the Winchester 130gr +P bonded PDX1/S38PDB. I also have a couple of different 110gr standard pressure loads for an older 37-2.

I no longer pay attention to the published muzzle velocity and muzzle energy figures. I'm more interested in how the rounds shoot out of my guns, and how well they can perform under both rigid scientific testing and documented shootings, if possible (although admittedly this sort of thing isn't easily available to the general public for any number of reasons).

Some of the various opportunities to see some of these rounds used in the traveling gel demo labs the major manufacturers put out there has been interesting. I'm only really interested in the 4-layer denim/gel tests, since that's pretty much the 'acid test' for how rounds may perform under difficult conditions. I've seen some good results from a few of the rounds.

Just the other day I was looking over some shots done using a 2" snub and the new .38 +P bonded Winchester load, and was surprised to see that it not only expanded in a couple of the more difficult test scenarios (denim & glass), but that the overall penetration and expansion didn't seem all that much different than a couple of the hotter 9's used in the same tests. Weird. Obviously that doesn't mean velocities were anywhere near the same. Neither does it mean the .38 load is "the same" as the hotter 9's, or that every round ever fired from every gun will exhibit the same potential performance, but it was interesting to see a couple of similar expansion and penetration figures for such disparate guns & calibers in a few of the gel shots. Like I said, weird.

I'd like to see some further testing done elsewhere, though, and I think I'll contact the local Win LE rep to ask about getting some of the factory test results. The last list of in-house gel testing I have for all the Win .38 loads is from 2002, so it's somewhat dated and wouldn't include the revisions done to the STHP loads or the new bonded load, of course.

In the meantime I feel a bit better occasionally carrying it in my J's as an alternate load. It shoots well enough when it comes to POA/POI in a couple of my J's, and I'll probably pick up some more to keep test-firing it in some of my J's.

I still have my Rem 158gr LHP +P's and the rest of the loads that have demonstrated themselves to be accurate in my J's, as well as not exhibiting any signs of bullet pull in my M&P 340. I carry +P loads in my M&P 340, BTW, even though I've found t least a couple of Magnum loads which don't exhibit bullet pull in my M&P when I'm shooting it, and which I've used for both practice and qual usage. I just prefer to carry the +P loads for their controllability and better recover under recoil.

If I want to shoot Magnum loads a lot, or carry them, I'll get my SP101 DAO out of the safe. ;)

Now, that's just me. I've known folks who carried standard pressure loads and were able to accurately and effective shoot their little 5-shot J' with those lighter recoiling loads, having no interest in the harder recoiling +P loads. That's fine for them. I've not stay awake at night worrying that I was carrying standard pressure loads.

Accuracy and hitting the intended target is the primary concern, after all, right?

I worry more about that than the specific load I'm carrying at the time.

Not everyone can accurately and effectively shoot the diminutive J-'s, after all, and ammunition which enhances someone's ability to make consistently accurate hits probably isn't something to be easily dismissed, I'd think.

Just my thoughts.

09-11-2010, 13:57
Airweight .38's - Federal Nyclad 125 gr standard pressure
Steel frame .38's - Speer Gold Dot 135 +P "short barrel"
Steel frame .357's - Remington Golden Saber 125 gr "medium velocity"

09-13-2010, 14:40
GLOCKBUSTER--- I don't have the luxury of chrono gear. The stats in my post come from the Buffalo Bore Website. See for yourself at www.buffalobore.com

09-13-2010, 15:01
Gunmeister, I know the figures they publish. I just wanted to know if you have chronoed for yourself.

Apparently there are others that have and say figures come close or are right on. To me it sounded hard to believe but I guess they are close.

09-13-2010, 21:19
I carry Hornady 110 gr in my 642 and Rem. 125g SJHP 357 in my 640-1.

09-15-2010, 08:46
CCI Gold Dot 135gr+P Short Barrel Load, shoots well out my 342.