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MTS532
08-13-2010, 22:07
Just got a couple boxes of this stuff for my G38. This is regular 230 grain FMJ ball ammo. Does anybody have any experience with this ammo? Any chronograph results from a 4" barrel?

MTS532
08-15-2010, 08:33
Hello? Anybody? Wow....The sound of the crickets in here is deafening!

MTS532
08-15-2010, 08:58
OK....I'll play.

The reason nobody is posting on this thread is that nobody has a .45 GAP. We all have real .45 ACP guns.

MTS532
08-15-2010, 14:29
Just got a couple boxes of this stuff for my G38. This is regular 230 grain FMJ ball ammo. Does anybody have any experience with this ammo? Any chronograph results from a 4" barrel?

Yeah, I shot 50 rounds of the stuff yesterday. It was controllable, accurate and clean burning. I chewed the center out of the target at about 7 yards away.

I don't have a chronograph, but out of a 4" barrel, I'd guess it should be somewhere between 820--840 fps, which is about what you'd get out of a 5" barrel with .45 ACP.

The S&B GAP ammo was a lot cleaner burning than the WWB stuff I have used before.

MTS532
08-15-2010, 14:33
The reason nobody is posting on this thread is that nobody has a .45 GAP. We all have real .45 ACP guns.

Exactly. If JMB didn't design it, I ain't interested in it.

MTS532
08-15-2010, 18:33
Yeah, I shot 50 rounds of the stuff yesterday. It was controllable, accurate and clean burning. I chewed the center out of the target at about 7 yards away.

:needspics:

CTM_357
08-15-2010, 19:02
:rofl:

MTS532
08-16-2010, 03:10
:rofl:

I was a bit of a loner of a child. Can you tell?

MTS532
08-16-2010, 03:32
The reason nobody is posting on this thread is that nobody has a .45 GAP. We all have real .45 ACP guns.

+1

Why would we want a watered down .45 caliber round when we can get plenty of .45 ACP?

MTS532
08-16-2010, 15:43
The reason nobody is posting on this thread is that nobody has a .45 GAP. We all have real .45 ACP guns.

:upeyes:


Why would we want a watered down .45 caliber round when we can get plenty of .45 ACP?


What a couple of jackwagons! :brickwall:

The GAP is NOT a watered down .45. It fires a bullet of the exact same weight and diameter at about the same velocity as the .45 ACP, but it fits in a 9mm/.40 S&W format.

So if you like the .45 ACP, you can now have this performance in a smaller grip frame. Theoretically, whatever you could fit a 9mm or .40 S&W in, you can fit a .45 GAP in, with only minimal changes in the gun's dimensions to accommodate the larger diameter round. And it offers this performance at lower pressures than either the 9mm or .40 S&W.

Currently, there are at least five state police agencies using the .45 GAP, and there are other, smaller police agencies.

If your LGS doesn't carry the .45 GAP, it is readily available online.

MTS532
08-16-2010, 17:28
The .45 GAP is an answer to a question nobody asked. It's like the sequel to the .41 AE.

MAGICMANIA
08-16-2010, 18:36
:rofl:

MTS532
08-17-2010, 17:59
The .45 GAP is an answer to a question nobody asked. It's like the sequel to the .41 AE.

You can think of it that way if you want, but consider this for a minute:

The 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 GAP all fit in the same frame size.

While the 9mm, .40 and .45 all have their adherents, they all have their detractors as well. All have been used in combat or in law enforcement applications and all can work, and all can fail. There are plenty of examples of both success and failure with any service caliber.

While there is no such thing as a magic bullet or caliber, a lot of people simply prefer a relatively large heavy bullet.

The GAP can fire a big, 230 grain .451" diameter bullet at about 830 fps from a 4" barrel, which equals the ballistics of the tried and true .45 ACP from a 5" barrel.

But let's drop the "GAP" nomenclature for a minute. Let's just think of it as a '.45.'

With these ballistics, the .45 is thought by many to be the best self defense caliber of the three most popular semi-auto service calibers. Historically, it has proven itself in real combat all over the world against determined enemy combatants, even with ball ammo.

In gel testing, and with the best self defense ammunition available today, the .45 penetrates about as far as the .40 but often expands to a larger diameter than the 9mm or .40. In fact, the expanded diameter of the 9mm and the .40 S&W are similar. The 9mm may expand to about .60--.62" and the .40 may expand to about .66--68"

The .45 can expand from about .74--.78" or beyond.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887

Some people think that if they could have any one of these calibers in exactly the same frame, many feel more confident with the .45, whether this confidence is warranted or not.

And while some feel the 9mm is barely adequate, many don't like the snappy recoil associated with the .40. Again, this is a perception and training issue, but there are folks who prefer the .45's felt recoil, described as more of a "push" than a harsh, abrupt "snap" associated with the .40.

They say that follow up shots are faster because the gun comes back on target a bit faster. Sending bullets into the target as fast as possible is the definition of stopping power.

So let's see. In an anecdotal sense at least, the .45 is a proven "manstopper" the world over in real combat. In FBI testing, the .45 penetrates about as far but often expands to a greater diameter than the 9mm or .40 and the felt recoil is softer than the .40.

Now you can get all three calibers in exactly the same frame size.

To some people, this would be a no-brainer. They like those big heavy .45 caliber bullets.

If those big, heavy .45 caliber bullets happen to have been fired in the GAP, who is going to know the difference?

pangloss9
08-17-2010, 19:16
This is one of the best threads ever. MTS, I see that we are neighbors. Do you ever shoot at Sportsman's Lodge in Yadkinville?

MTS532
08-18-2010, 03:15
Hey, Pang!

No, I shoot at Calibers in Greensboro. Been going there for about 7 years now. In fact, I've never been to the place in Yadkinville. I may have to try that out!

MTS532
08-18-2010, 03:21
In an anecdotal sense at least, the .45 is a proven "manstopper" the world over in real combat. In FBI testing, the .45 penetrates about as far but often expands to a greater diameter than the 9mm or .40 and the felt recoil is softer than the .40.

:goodpost:


Hmmm.....You make some good points, but....















....You're still a JACKWAGON! :tongueout:

pangloss9
08-18-2010, 17:55
Hey, Pang!

No, I shoot at Calibers in Greensboro. Been going there for about 7 years now. In fact, I've never been to the place in Yadkinville. I may have to try that out!

I live on the western edge of Winston-Salem, so I can be at the range in Yadkinville 14 minutes after I leave my house. It's $12 per visit. I enjoy it.

MTS532
08-18-2010, 18:39
I live on the western edge of Winston-Salem, so I can be at the range in Yadkinville 14 minutes after I leave my house. It's $12 per visit. I enjoy it.

I actually live in Kernersville, so I'm close to Calibers. LEOs get a break on their membership fees.

MTS532
08-20-2010, 19:27
:yawn:

Little Joe
08-20-2010, 20:55
I have a case of it. It shoots pretty soft. It recoils about the same as my G22 with 165gr American Eagle. I don't have any chrono date, though.

LJ

MTS532
08-21-2010, 16:35
I have a case of it. It shoots pretty soft. It recoils about the same as my G22 with 165gr American Eagle. I don't have any chrono date, though.

Thanks. Sometimes S&B ammo is a bit hotter than American ammo, so I don't know. When I shot 50 rounds a couple weeks ago, I thought it was accurate, controllable and clean burning.

Wish I had a chrono!

MTS532
08-24-2010, 13:08
My G38 needs a partner. I think I hear a G39 calling.....

It's brand new and less than $500 OTD. It's not the virtual giveaway that Glock had been running on GAPs earlier, but it's still cheaper than Glocks of other calibers.

I was also thinking of a G36, but I already have a G21 and a G30. Both the G36 and G39's magazines hold six rounds. A G36 can't take the magazines of either of those, but the G39 can take the mags from the G37 or my G38.

The G39 has the same frame size as the G26/27, but has a slightly wider slide to accomodate the larger round.

And I can get GAP ammo for about the same price as ACP ammo.

The G39 is starting to make more sense!

MTS532
08-24-2010, 20:12
My G38 needs a partner. I think I hear a G39 calling.....

So does anybody have any chrono data for a G39? I'm thinking that a normal 230 grain hardball would be around 790--810 fps from the 3.5 inch barrel.

samuse
09-01-2010, 16:34
The .45 GAP is an answer to a question nobody asked. It's like the sequel to the .41 AE.


Huh. I figured the 45GAP would be a hit.

Plenty of people whine about the grip of a 45 being too big, the snap of a 40 being too much and the 9mm being wimpy.

The Glock 37, 38, & 39 offer a grip size the same as the 9mm and ballistics similar to 45ACP. Still everyone says that Glock lacks innovation. Go figure.

I don't have a GAP because I'm fine with my Glock in 9 and my 1911s in 45, but if I had to have a 9mm size Glock in 45, the GAP would do it.

I would really like to see a 4" Springfield EMP chambered in 45GAP. That would be the bees knees!

BOGE
09-01-2010, 16:38
So does anybody have any chrono data for a G39? I'm thinking that a normal 230 grain hardball would be around 790--810 fps from the 3.5 inch barrel.

I had a post last year in the Bull Dawgs section whereas I chonographed many factory rds. & handloads in a G38 & G39. Alas, it has been purged for bandwidth I believe. The G39 loses little to the G38. If you can handle it I recommend the Double Tap 200 gr. Gold Dots. That is if they even make them anymore.

MTS532
09-02-2010, 11:02
I had a post last year in the Bull Dawgs section whereas I chonographed many factory rds. & handloads in a G38 & G39. Alas, it has been purged for bandwidth I believe. The G39 loses little to the G38. If you can handle it I recommend the Double Tap 200 gr. Gold Dots. That is if they even make them anymore.

I've shot a bit of DT's 230 gr. .45 ACP ammo for my G21 and my G30, so I'm familiar with it. Right now, they only have a couple of loads listed for the GAP. I'll keep the GDs in mind.

MTS532
09-02-2010, 11:09
Huh. I figured the 45GAP would be a hit.

Plenty of people whine about the grip of a 45 being too big, the snap of a 40 being too much and the 9mm being wimpy.

The Glock 37, 38, & 39 offer a grip size the same as the 9mm and ballistics similar to 45ACP. Still everyone says that Glock lacks innovation. Go figure.


I know, right?

I think the trouble is that there are a lot of people who have no use for the GAP because they are satisfied with the size of their guns and performance of the .45 ACP.

While the standard pressure .45 ACP is an excellent, possibly unparalleled cartridge for self defense, the GAP simply takes this performance and puts it into a 9mm sized frame.

However, if you are not a big Glock fan, or you have concerns for ammo availability, it might keep you away from even considering the GAP.

I hope the GAP continues to make slow, steady progress. Putting that level of performance into a smaller cartridge just makes too much sense!