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Glock21sf-miami
08-15-2010, 19:42
Felow GTers,

I have several handguns but I am evaluating the purchase of a shotgun for home defense & SHTF scenarios. I have never owned or had much experience with shotguns and would like some help.

I have been looking at the Rem 870 Tactical. My budget is limited, so I need to stay below $500. I would like to be able to shoot buckshot and slugs depending on the occasion. I have been reading about sabots and rifled barrels... I am assuming the 870 does not have a rifled barrel. The question is, I can shoot buckshot and slugs but NOT sabots?

I am guessing a rifled barrel would be more accurate at long range. However, for Home Defense / target shooting applications, I may not need long range accuracy.

For those of you who have the 870, what is the longest distance you can effectively hit a target with a slug? buckshot?

Comments, suggestions are welcome... Thanks!

JFrame
08-15-2010, 19:50
I can't knock the choice of either a Remington or a Mossberg (have a Mossberg 500 myself...).

But if you're looking to keep $$$ down and not even sure you'll be "into" shotguns beyond a basic model for home defense, I would also throw out consideration of the NEF (H&R) Pardner pump. The plain vanilla 5-shot pump is essentially a Remington 870 clone, and accepts a majority of 870 accessories (excluding barrels).

I bought one on sale at Dick's for $189, and now I see that they occasionally go on sale for $179. The one I got is rock-solid and reliable. After a few months ownership, I decided to "tactical-ize" it with a Knoxx SpecOps recoil-reducing stock. The total investment on the shotgun was still under $300.

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bikerdog
08-15-2010, 20:08
first off the 870 tactical is a great gun and might be the best shot gun on the market. as far as the other questions, I use federal flight control 00 buck in my 870 and can say without a doubt that I'm good with that load out to at least 50 yards. And slugs 100 to 120 with iron sights.

vafish
08-15-2010, 20:30
Range with buckshot depends a lot on what load you are using and how it patterns in your gun. I'd say it varies from 25-50 yards.

With slugs I can hit a man sized target easily at 75 yards with a simple bead sight. Rifle type sights will push that out further.

The 870 is a good choice, if money is tight look at the Express HD model.

I also like the Mossberg 500 and 590 as well as the Benelli Nova.

mixflip
08-16-2010, 01:55
I'd pass on the new 870 express. I heard alot of bad things. Remington has hurt its own reputation lately. The 887 was voted one of the worst shotguns of the year!!! I'd pick up an old used 870 in a heart beat though.

aippi
08-16-2010, 12:08
Remington 870 HD model 25077. Comes with an 18.5" cyle bore bead sight barrel, Remington LE 2 shot extension, rear synthetic stock and Speedfeed LE forend. Best value on the market for an HD. No tacti-fool mess on it. It is a solid fighting shotgun.

gnepig
08-16-2010, 12:14
There are alot of good pump shotguns outthere for under 500 bucks, you can't go wrong with the 870's or 500's. If you get one of those you will have enough money left to jazz up you're gun with extra's , like a Spec Opps recoil reducing stock... I hear those are the s...t.

method
08-16-2010, 12:31
The 870 can be had with a rifled barrel, but you don't want it, unless you're stuck using a shotgun for deer hunting, and you can reasonably expect 100 yard+ shots. A rifled barrel is good for slugs and slugs only, it won't do well with shot.

fx77
08-16-2010, 13:06
Remington 1187 Police
Got Best Defensive Shotgun 2008 or 2009 Gun Tests mag.

method
08-16-2010, 17:35
Remington 1187 Police
Got Best Defensive Shotgun 2008 or 2009 Gun Tests mag.

Quite a bit more than his budget dictates.

Puppy
08-16-2010, 18:07
A plain Jane Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 would serve just fine in a home defense role, but if you are looking for something "more tactical" you could probably find a Mossberg 590A1 for under $500 if you shop around a little.

Ferdinandd
08-16-2010, 18:50
I bought an 870 Tactical. For me, the versatility of Rem-chokes and the fact that it's drilled and tapped (comes with a scope base too) made it worth the additional cost compared to the 25077. I've owned a few 870's and Mossberg 500's (have one now too) and like them both.

Restless28
08-16-2010, 20:16
Benelli Supernova Tactical.

frank_drebin
08-16-2010, 20:23
A $225 Maverick 88 will do everything a 500 will do for about half the money. I've put 1000+ shells ranging from birdshot to 00 buck and a few dozen Magnum loads. It comes with a stock and a pistol grip and can use any aftermarket stock made for a 500. Mine is loaded with 00 buck and hangs over my bedroom door.

Glock21sf-miami
08-16-2010, 21:01
Great info guys!

So it seems that 870 and 500 are the most recommended choices.
Are you guys familiar with the balistics of slugs out of a smooth bore?

I think the 870 Tactical has a two shot extension...

David Armstrong
08-17-2010, 08:45
870, 18" smooth barrel, bead sight. You can shoot buck, slug, or sabot. Effective range is determined in large part by ammo selection, training/experience, and skill. An average shooter should be able to do 20 yards with buck and 50 with slug/sabot without too much work.

srggator
08-17-2010, 14:23
I have a Mossy 590 that I love! You can find one very reasonable used.

dukeguy
08-17-2010, 18:04
A $225 Maverick 88 will do everything a 500 will do for about half the money. I've put 1000+ shells ranging from birdshot to 00 buck and a few dozen Magnum loads. It comes with a stock and a pistol grip and can use any aftermarket stock made for a 500. Mine is loaded with 00 buck and hangs over my bedroom door.

+1 on the Maverick. I put an ATI pistol grip stock on mine and just shot a 3 gun match with it. It performed just as well as the higher dollar pump guns. Mine is loaded with 00 and stands ready to go too.

mixflip
08-17-2010, 19:19
My very 1st shotgun was a Maverick 88. I was new in town and that was the only gun I could afford and walk out with the same day. It protected my family just fine until I had enough money to get me a higher quality pump.

The safety location is what everybody loves on the Maverick usually and $199 brand new is hard to beat.

Ferdinandd
08-17-2010, 20:28
Performance with slugs will be limited to the sights, which is why I prefer the 870 Tactical, or a 590 with GRS. As stated, effective range of a CB barrel with buck can vary from 25-50 yards depending on the load (especially the wad and buffer). I have been working on tailoring 00BK to my guns for a long time and have combinations of BPI wads that limit patterns to under 6 inches at 25 yards. I love the versatility of a good shotgun...

nelsone
08-19-2010, 10:02
A $225 Maverick 88 will do everything a 500 will do for about half the money.

Who would pay $450 for a Mossberg 500?? Aren't they about $300 now?

If the Mossy is good enough for the USMC, it's good enough for me. Just get the 20" barrel 7+1 model, not the 18" five-shot version.

windplex
08-19-2010, 10:13
Performance with slugs will be limited to the sights, which is why I prefer the 870 Tactical, or a 590 with GRS. As stated, effective range of a CB barrel with buck can vary from 25-50 yards depending on the load (especially the wad and buffer). I have been working on tailoring 00BK to my guns for a long time and have combinations of BPI wads that limit patterns to under 6 inches at 25 yards. I love the versatility of a good shotgun...

RE sights. A similar thread a few years ago a LEO said mossy or remi either fine worked with both. But he said get the single bead sight at end of barrel for shot gun work -- by far the fastest for the kind of work you do with it.

Absolutely it has limits but so do the other sights that extend range -- they are slower when you need them.

Sounded like reasonable sense to me. Do what works for you.

southernshooter
08-19-2010, 15:20
I don't see where anybody answered your question about sabots. They are for rifled shotguns. They are a waste of money in a smoothbore ($12.95 vs $4.95) I have an 870 with a rifled barrel and I would recommend you get a smoothbore instead. The rifled barrel does not shoot any kind of shot with a good pattern.

Glock21sf-miami
08-19-2010, 15:59
I don't see where anybody answered your question about sabots. They are for rifled shotguns. They are a waste of money in a smoothbore ($12.95 vs $4.95) I have an 870 with a rifled barrel and I would recommend you get a smoothbore instead. The rifled barrel does not shoot any kind of shot with a good pattern.

Thanks Southern,

This is great info. I think I am settled on the Tactical 870. If I end up liking slugs too much then I nay get a rifled barrel for it and have the option. Now the search for the best deal. I have seen them on the web for about $450.

Another Miller
08-19-2010, 16:33
Heres another take on that 870.

Get an older 870 express with a magnum receiver in 12 gauge.Swap the vent rib barrel for a smoothbore 20" improved cyl barrel,rifle sights.

Good for rifled slugs AND shot.


My home set up is an older 870 exp mag with a 20" smoothbore,rifle sighted barrel.I added a choate machine and tool steel mag extension and an unkle mikes swivel/bracket.It holds 8 shots total with 1 in the chamber.

Swapped out the factory rifle sight with a set of those day glos,very reasonable and easy to do yourself.

I swapped out the guts with that of an old 870,polished shell latch and bolt.Got both at a show for 25 bucks.Its not really needed but it adds just a tiny bit of slickness.Kept it all under 300 including the gun,which was used.It shoots every bit as good as one of those expensive 870 police models.

Big Bad Jon
08-19-2010, 16:42
I agree that a good Remmy 870 will shoot out to 100 yards. You will not need to be concerned about that for HD purposes. I have a feeling that if you try to shoot a bad guy at 100 yards you may end up in the back of the squad car. On the ammo front try some Winchester PDX1 it has three 00 buck shot balls and a slug behind it. Sounds like the best of both worlds.

rem2429
08-19-2010, 21:32
Cabelas used 870 police magnum
150.00
speedfeed stock
70.00
Wilson combat Mag extension
45.00
leftover duracoat
free
I'm good to only about 50 yards with cheap slugs, and the same with good buck.
I have a safe of guns, but this one stays in the bed room.