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pascal
08-17-2010, 06:48
Hello,
Being a relative newbie at Ubuntu and Linux in general, I have a question. When I installed Ubuntu it loaded Thunderbird 3.0.6. It will not update automatically by any of the simple means I am aware of, Synaptic, Ubuntu, Update Manager. I downloaded thunderbird-3.1.2.tar.bz2 from Mozilla. I have no idea how to install it. Can anyone offer any advice on the matter? Thanks for any assistance.
pascal

corpseal
08-17-2010, 09:07
I strongly suggest you leave well enough alone, until your experience and knowledge with linux improves-no disrespect meant. Until then, install only from synaptic or software manager. Also, the Ubuntu forum is a great source of info. Good luck and enjoy linux.

JimmyN
08-17-2010, 09:27
I did a quick check online and it doesn't look like they have a package update for Thunderbird 3.1.xx yet. That's probably why you can't update it, there is no update, you've got the latest. And I don't believe that Thunderbird will update using it's Update Manager if it was installed from a package. I think it will if installed manually.

But I've never used Ubuntu, I run a Gnome desktop on BSD Unix, so I could be mistaken on that.

The tarball file is for manual installation, and it's not unusual to do it that way if you want the latest versions before a package update is released. I believe there is a python script available named Ubuntuzilla or something similar that will help install Thunderbird using the compressed file you downloaded. But unless you're pretty familiar with Linux a manual install is probably not the best way to go.

DO backup your user profiles in Thunderbird before you start !

pascal
08-17-2010, 10:00
Thanks Gentlemen,
For your time and advice. I wrote the question because I haven't a clue how to install a standalone package. I know there are some Linux experts that hang around and maybe they can assist. I am going to backup right now. Thanks for the cautions and advice.
pascal

Linux3
08-17-2010, 14:31
Make a directory in your home account.
By the by, this is all command line stuff. No gui.
When you see ">% " that's the command prompt, enter the command after that.
This works BUT, BUT. One of the great strengths of Linux is package management. Unlike Windows where every program uses it's own installer and there can be havoc as a result, Linux uses a package manager which installs and tracks and yes, manages, installed packages. Add, delete, update, everything stays in sync. If you go around this system, and this is what you are doing, you do so at your own risk. This version will not be tracked by your O.S. nor managed and updated.

Warning Will Rogers!

>% cd <enter>
>% mkdir thunderbird-3.1.2 <enter>
>% cd !$ <enter>

Now save the file to that directory.
>% ls <enter>
thunderbird-3.1.2.tar.bz2

Now extract the binaries
>% tar xvfj thunderbird-3.1.2.tar.bz2 <enter>
tar: Record size = 8 blocks
thunderbird/
thunderbird/chrome/
thunderbird/chrome/en-US.jar
thunderbird/chrome/en-US.manifest
thunderbird/chrome/newsblog.jar
thunderbird/chrome/newsblog.manifest
thunderbird/chrome/toolkit.jar
thunderbird/chrome/toolkit.manifest
thunderbird/chrome/comm.jar
thunderbird/chrome/comm.manifest
thunderbird/chrome/messenger.jar
thunderbird/chrome/messenger.manifest
thunderbird/chrome/icons/
thunderbird/chrome/icons/default/
thunderbird/chrome/icons/default/default16.png
thunderbird/chrome/icons/default/default22.png
thunderbird/chrome/icons/default/default24.png
thunderbird/chrome/icons/default/default256.png
thunderbird/chrome/icons/default/default32.png
thunderbird/chrome/icons/default/default48.png
thunderbird/chrome/gloda.jar
thunderbird/chrome/gloda.manifest
thunderbird/chrome/classic.jar
thunderbird/chrome/classic.manifest
thunderbird/chrome/pippki.jar
thunderbird/chrome/pippki.manifest
thunderbird/defaults/
thunderbird/defaults/pref/
thunderbird/defaults/pref/all-l10n.js
thunderbird/defaults/pref/all-thunderbird.js
thunderbird/defaults/pref/channel-prefs.js
thunderbird/defaults/pref/composer.js
thunderbird/defaults/pref/mailnews.js
thunderbird/defaults/pref/mdn.js
thunderbird/defaults/pref/smime.js
thunderbird/defaults/pref/thunderbird-branding.js
thunderbird/defaults/messenger/
thunderbird/defaults/messenger/mailViews.dat
thunderbird/defaults/profile/
thunderbird/defaults/profile/localstore.rdf
thunderbird/defaults/profile/prefs.js
thunderbird/defaults/profile/mimeTypes.rdf
thunderbird/defaults/autoconfig/
thunderbird/defaults/autoconfig/platform.js
thunderbird/defaults/autoconfig/prefcalls.js
thunderbird/dictionaries/
thunderbird/dictionaries/en-US.aff
thunderbird/dictionaries/en-US.dic
thunderbird/update.locale
thunderbird/updater.ini
thunderbird/libxpcom.so
thunderbird/libxpcom_core.so
thunderbird/libnspr4.so
thunderbird/libplc4.so
thunderbird/libplds4.so
thunderbird/libmozjs.so
thunderbird/components/
thunderbird/components/libjsd.so
thunderbird/components/libxpinstall.so
thunderbird/components/newsblog.js
thunderbird/components/components.list
thunderbird/components/aboutRights.js
thunderbird/components/msgAsyncPrompter.js
thunderbird/components/nsActivity.js
thunderbird/components/nsActivityManager.js
thunderbird/components/nsActivityManagerUI.js
thunderbird/components/nsMailNewsCommandLineHandler.js
thunderbird/components/glautocomp.js
thunderbird/components/jsmimeemitter.js
thunderbird/components/mailContentHandler.js
thunderbird/components/nsMailDefaultHandler.js
thunderbird/components/nsSetDefaultMail.js
thunderbird/components/offlineStartup.js
thunderbird/components/steelApplication.js
thunderbird/components/mdn-service.js
thunderbird/components/smime-service.js
thunderbird/components/nsAbLDAPAttributeMap.js
thunderbird/components/nsLDAPProtocolHandler.js
thunderbird/components/nsLoginInfo.js
thunderbird/components/nsLoginManager.js
thunderbird/components/nsLoginManagerPrompter.js
thunderbird/components/storage-Legacy.js
thunderbird/components/storage-mozStorage.js
thunderbird/components/nsHelperAppDlg.js
thunderbird/components/nsDownloadManagerUI.js
thunderbird/components/nsContentDispatchChooser.js
thunderbird/components/nsHandlerService.js
thunderbird/components/nsWebHandlerApp.js
thunderbird/components/nsSMTPProtocolHandler.js
thunderbird/components/nsPhishingProtectionApplication.js
thunderbird/components/nsUrlClassifierListManager.js
thunderbird/components/nsUrlClassifierLib.js
thunderbird/components/nsAbAutoCompleteMyDomain.js
thunderbird/components/nsAbAutoCompleteSearch.js
thunderbird/components/nsMsgTraitService.js
thunderbird/components/libimgicon.so
thunderbird/components/nsDefaultCLH.js
thunderbird/components/nsFormAutoComplete.js
thunderbird/components/nsFilePicker.js
thunderbird/components/libdbusservice.so
thunderbird/components/NetworkGeolocationProvider.js
thunderbird/components/GPSDGeolocationProvider.js
thunderbird/components/nsProxyAutoConfig.js
thunderbird/components/nsAddonRepository.js
thunderbird/components/nsExtensionManager.js
thunderbird/components/nsBlocklistService.js
thunderbird/components/nsUpdateService.js
thunderbird/components/nsUpdateServiceStub.js
thunderbird/components/nsUpdateTimerManager.js
thunderbird/components/nsURLFormatter.js
thunderbird/components/nsContentPrefService.js
thunderbird/components/FeedProcessor.js
thunderbird/components/jsconsole-clhandler.js
thunderbird/components/nsINIProcessor.js
thunderbird/components/nsTryToClose.js
thunderbird/components/pluginGlue.js
thunderbird/components/txEXSLTRegExFunctions.js
thunderbird/components/nsBadCertHandler.js
thunderbird/components/libmozgnome.so
thunderbird/components/mail.xpt
thunderbird/modules/
thunderbird/modules/activity/
thunderbird/modules/activity/activityModules.js
thunderbird/modules/activity/alertHook.js
thunderbird/modules/activity/autosync.js
thunderbird/modules/activity/glodaIndexer.js
thunderbird/modules/activity/moveCopy.js
thunderbird/modules/activity/pop3Download.js
thunderbird/modules/activity/sendLater.js
thunderbird/modules/appIdleManager.js
thunderbird/modules/attachmentChecker.js
thunderbird/modules/CertUtils.jsm
thunderbird/modules/CrashSubmit.jsm
thunderbird/modules/ctypes.jsm
thunderbird/modules/dbViewWrapper.js
thunderbird/modules/debug.js
thunderbird/modules/DownloadLastDir.jsm
thunderbird/modules/DownloadUtils.jsm
thunderbird/modules/errUtils.js
thunderbird/modules/FileUtils.jsm
thunderbird/modules/folderUtils.jsm
thunderbird/modules/gloda/
thunderbird/modules/gloda/collection.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/connotent.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/databind.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/datamodel.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/datastore.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/dbview.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/everybody.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/explattr.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/facet.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/fundattr.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/gloda.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/index_ab.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/indexer.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/index_msg.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/log4moz.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/mimemsg.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/mimeTypeCategories.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/msg_search.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/noun_freetag.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/noun_mimetype.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/noun_tag.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/public.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/query.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/suffixtree.js
thunderbird/modules/gloda/utils.js
thunderbird/modules/IOUtils.js
thunderbird/modules/ISO8601DateUtils.jsm
thunderbird/modules/iteratorUtils.jsm
thunderbird/modules/jsTreeSelection.js
thunderbird/modules/LightweightThemeConsumer.jsm
thunderbird/modules/LightweightThemeManager.jsm
thunderbird/modules/MailConsts.js
thunderbird/modules/mailMigrator.js
thunderbird/modules/mailnewsMigrator.js
thunderbird/modules/MailUtils.js
thunderbird/modules/mailViewManager.js
thunderbird/modules/Microformats.js
thunderbird/modules/MsgHdrSyntheticView.js
thunderbird/modules/NetUtil.jsm
thunderbird/modules/PluralForm.jsm
thunderbird/modules/quickFilterManager.js
thunderbird/modules/SearchIntegration.js
thunderbird/modules/searchSpec.js
thunderbird/modules/sessionStoreManager.js
thunderbird/modules/SpatialNavigation.js
thunderbird/modules/StringBundle.js
thunderbird/modules/templateUtils.js
thunderbird/modules/traceHelper.js
thunderbird/modules/virtualFolderWrapper.js
thunderbird/modules/WindowDraggingUtils.jsm
thunderbird/modules/XPCOMUtils.jsm
thunderbird/thunderbird-bin
thunderbird/thunderbird
thunderbird/application.ini
thunderbird/platform.ini
thunderbird/README.txt
thunderbird/libsqlite3.so
thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh
thunderbird/icons/
thunderbird/icons/updater.png
thunderbird/isp/
thunderbird/isp/movemail.rdf
thunderbird/isp/rss.rdf
thunderbird/isp/SpamAssassin.sfd
thunderbird/isp/SpamPal.sfd
thunderbird/extensions/
thunderbird/extensions/{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}/
thunderbird/extensions/{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}/install.rdf
thunderbird/extensions/{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}/icon.png
thunderbird/extensions/{972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd}/preview.png
thunderbird/greprefs/
thunderbird/greprefs/all.js
thunderbird/greprefs/security-prefs.js
thunderbird/greprefs/xpinstall.js
thunderbird/libldap60.so
thunderbird/libldif60.so
thunderbird/libprldap60.so
thunderbird/mozilla-xremote-client
thunderbird/libnssckbi.so
thunderbird/libnss3.so
thunderbird/libnssutil3.so
thunderbird/libsmime3.so
thunderbird/libsoftokn3.so
thunderbird/libfreebl3.so
thunderbird/libssl3.so
thunderbird/libfreebl3.chk
thunderbird/libsoftokn3.chk
thunderbird/libnssdbm3.so
thunderbird/libnssdbm3.chk
thunderbird/res/
thunderbird/res/arrow.gif
thunderbird/res/arrowd.gif
thunderbird/res/broken-image.png
thunderbird/res/charsetData.properties
thunderbird/res/charsetalias.properties
thunderbird/res/forms.css
thunderbird/res/hiddenWindow.html
thunderbird/res/html.css
thunderbird/res/loading-image.png
thunderbird/res/mathml.css
thunderbird/res/quirk.css
thunderbird/res/ua.css
thunderbird/res/viewsource.css
thunderbird/res/unixcharset.properties
thunderbird/res/langGroups.properties
thunderbird/res/language.properties
thunderbird/res/entityTables/
thunderbird/res/entityTables/html40Latin1.properties
thunderbird/res/entityTables/html40Special.properties
thunderbird/res/entityTables/html40Symbols.properties
thunderbird/res/entityTables/htmlEntityVersions.properties
thunderbird/res/entityTables/mathml20.properties
thunderbird/res/entityTables/transliterate.properties
thunderbird/res/dtd/
thunderbird/res/dtd/mathml.dtd
thunderbird/res/dtd/xhtml11.dtd
thunderbird/res/fonts/
thunderbird/res/fonts/mathfont.properties
thunderbird/res/fonts/mathfontStandardSymbolsL.properties
thunderbird/res/fonts/mathfontSTIXNonUnicode.properties
thunderbird/res/fonts/mathfontSTIXSize1.properties
thunderbird/res/fonts/mathfontUnicode.properties
thunderbird/res/contenteditable.css
thunderbird/res/designmode.css
thunderbird/res/html/
thunderbird/res/html/folder.png
thunderbird/res/EditorOverride.css
thunderbird/res/grabber.gif
thunderbird/res/table-add-column-after-active.gif
thunderbird/res/table-add-column-after-hover.gif
thunderbird/res/table-add-column-after.gif
thunderbird/res/table-add-column-before-active.gif
thunderbird/res/table-add-column-before-hover.gif
thunderbird/res/table-add-column-before.gif
thunderbird/res/table-add-row-after-active.gif
thunderbird/res/table-add-row-after-hover.gif
thunderbird/res/table-add-row-after.gif
thunderbird/res/table-add-row-before-active.gif
thunderbird/res/table-add-row-before-hover.gif
thunderbird/res/table-add-row-before.gif
thunderbird/res/table-remove-column-active.gif
thunderbird/res/table-remove-column-hover.gif
thunderbird/res/table-remove-column.gif
thunderbird/res/table-remove-row-active.gif
thunderbird/res/table-remove-row-hover.gif
thunderbird/res/table-remove-row.gif
thunderbird/res/svg.css
thunderbird/updater
thunderbird/crashreporter
thunderbird/crashreporter.ini
thunderbird/Throbber-small.gif
thunderbird/removed-files

>% cd thunderbird <enter>
>% ./thunderbird-bin <enter>

pascal
08-17-2010, 15:20
Hello and Wow Linux3,
Thanks immensely. Since I downloaded this straight from Mozilla Thunderbird is there another approach I might be missing? Add them as software sources or something, not that I won't be back with questions about that. Why would Ubuntu take so long to update their Thunderbird edition? I mean it is 3.0.6. I've been running on Windows way passed that for many months
1 Appreciate the effort you put in it and explained it quite clearly. Still me being me, I need to ask if I should uninstall using one of the sofware options, the Tbird 3.0.6? I say go for it!!!!
pascal

pascal
08-17-2010, 15:57
Hey,
Created folder thunderbird-3.1.2 under my home directory. Copied the file there, cd to there, ls and it showed the full file. Ran the tar -xvfj and it gave me tar: j: Cannot open: No such file or directory and then tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now.
Also for my personal enlightenment what does the command cd !$ do? It seems to have made a cd in my home directory.
Thanks from the dark side.
pascal

IndyGunFreak
08-17-2010, 16:54
Hey,
Created folder thunderbird-3.1.2 under my home directory. Copied the file there, cd to there, ls and it showed the full file. Ran the tar -xvfj and it gave me tar: j: Cannot open: No such file or directory and then tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now.
Also for my personal enlightenment what does the command cd !$ do? It seems to have made a cd in my home directory.
Thanks from the dark side.
pascal

cd... I don't know if it has an actual meaning, but take it to mean "change directory"...

What version of Ubuntu are you using, and are you using 32 or 64bit? Assuming you are using 10.04, and are using 32bit, simply add the PPA repository. Before doing any of the below, make sure your address book is backed up, etc.. in case something goes fubar. I don't use T-bird, but installed it just to make sure the below worked. This *should* work w/ 64bit as well, but I don't use 64bit and couldn't test it, so I didn't want tell you something I hadn't tested.

Open a terminal, and copy/paste the line below, then hit enter....

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ricotz/ppa && sudo apt-get update


After it's done, you should see it add the PPA repository and then update your source list.

When that's done, in the terminal...
sudo apt-get install thunderbird

It'll pop up that it's already installed but has an upgrade available... Click Y, and let it install.

Close the terminal and open Thunderbird...

IGF

pascal
08-17-2010, 20:02
Hello IndyGunFreak,
Worked like a charm. Thank you a lot. I did notice that it only installed 3.1.1.
Is that something that can be fixed or what. You are the man!
A secondary question that will sound really silly, but do you use Linux for internet business transactions and viewing your bank account. Is it really that secure. I can say the on a 600 MHz Athlon it runs almost as fast as XP Pro on a 3.02 GHz Celeron with Sata drives. Thanks again, kind Sir!
pascal

IndyGunFreak
08-17-2010, 20:37
Hello IndyGunFreak,
Worked like a charm. Thank you a lot. I did notice that it only installed 3.1.1.
Is that something that can be fixed or what. You are the man!
A secondary question that will sound really silly, but do you use Linux for internet business transactions and viewing your bank account. Is it really that secure. I can say the on a 600 MHz Athlon it runs almost as fast as XP Pro on a 3.02 GHz Celeron with Sata drives. Thanks again, kind Sir!
pascal

I can't find a repository w/ 3.1.2, most of them still show it as having nightly builds, suggesting it is still beta. Unless you absolutely need .2, I'd stick w/ what you have. If you absolutely want/need the beta, lemme know and I'll try to throw something together for you. I'm actually kinda liking Thunderbird again, I've not used it forever, and set it up w/ my Gmail account in no time flat.

I assume you mean by "business transactions" do I shop online, pay bills online, etc.. yes I do. I also check my bank account online. Most security threats for that sort of thing, are going to be on the server end, and you have no control over that. Watch your status bar before you put in your passwords, account numbers, etc.. and make sure the site has security authentication(little padlock in the status bar at the bottom of the browser). Use strong, random passwords, etc..

The main threat on your end(the client end) when using these services, is keyloggers, data mines, etc.. I've yet to see anything like that for Linux.

Need anymore help, feel free to ask.

IGF

Linux3
08-17-2010, 20:51
Hey,
Created folder thunderbird-3.1.2 under my home directory. Copied the file there, cd to there, ls and it showed the full file. Ran the tar -xvfj and it gave me tar: j: Cannot open: No such file or directory and then tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now.
Also for my personal enlightenment what does the command cd !$ do? It seems to have made a cd in my home directory.
Thanks from the dark side.
pascal
You created a folder:
>% mkdir thunderbird-3.1.2
>% cd !$
cd, change directory !$, !$ is last command
So, change directory to the last command option, i.e. thunderbird-3.1.2
OK.
Don't need the dash for the tar command
>% tar xvfj thunderbird-3.1.2.tar.bz2
Your error is because of a miss type or wrong file name.

cd means change directory. If no directory is specified then $HOME, your home account is assumed so just typing 'cd' is a short cut to insure that someone is in the correct base directory.

If you learn shell commands you will see that a gui is for WIMPs:
W = Windows
I = Icons
M = Mouse
P = Pointer.

There is nothing like a fully functioning shell in the windows world. I'm not going to argue this, there just isn't and if you think there is you don't understand Unix shells.
Short cuts like the !$ and file completion. if you had typed tar xvfj thunde (and then hit the tab key) the shell would have completed the file name for you.
True, you can do most every thing with a mouse and a gui but if you take the time to learn shell commands you become so much more efficient.
Anything you need to do more than once you will come to just write a script for.
find . -iname "*.JPG" | xargs -l -i convert -resize 1024x768 {} /foo/resize/{}
Example, run this script, actually a single line command, in a directory with a bunch of image files.
Find (no explanation needed) . (here) -iname (input name) "*.JPG" (anything plus .JPG) | (pipe to) xargs (execute command lines from standard input) -l -i (just use there switches, trust me lol) convert (a ImageMagik command) -resize (you guess it) 1024x768 {} (standard imput) /foo/resize (location of out put) {} (now standard output)

So, we have taken a directory of however many image files and resized them and moved them to a new location. Just one example. There is much, much more you can do with scripts and the command line.
I manage whole networks of workstations, back them up and push updates and such all with shell command and scripts.
Unix / Linux is really mostly a whole bunch of shell scripts.

Sorry, I'll climb off my soapbox now.
http://linuxcommand.org/

CitizenOfDreams
08-17-2010, 21:05
Just go to the store and buy a copy of Windows [mocking those who would say "just download a copy of Linux" in response to any computer related question]. :tongueout:

Pierre!
08-17-2010, 23:01
Just go to the store and buy a copy of Windows [mocking those who would say "just download a copy of Linux" in response to any computer related question]. :tongueout:

C'mon COD - That install looked easy using the command line! Don't you remember DOS 4.01 and Quarterdecks' Desqview 386 for multitasking on the amber monochrome screens? or the black N green screens? That 16Mhz 286 processor running up to 2 or 3 megs of ram!!! If you had the dough... up to 20Mhz 80286 could *NOT* be Beat!

Brings back the good ole days don't ya know...

Now we gots package management!

Life is *good* ... at least if you have an nVidia graphics card... (LOL)

Sorry guys couldn't resist... :rofl::rofl::rofl:

CitizenOfDreams
08-17-2010, 23:36
Don't you remember DOS 4.01 and Quarterdecks' Desqview 386 for multitasking on the amber monochrome screens? or the black N green screens? That 16Mhz 286 processor running up to 2 or 3 megs of ram!!!

I was way too poor to afford a 386, all I had was a ZX Spectrum clone (extremely popular in Eastern Europe back then). It was just as much fun as a real computer...

pascal
08-18-2010, 03:57
I can't find a repository w/ 3.1.2, most of them still show it as having nightly builds, suggesting it is still beta. Unless you absolutely need .2, I'd stick w/ what you have. If you absolutely want/need the beta, lemme know and I'll try to throw something together for you. I'm actually kinda liking Thunderbird again, I've not used it forever, and set it up w/ my Gmail account in no time flat.

I assume you mean by "business transactions" do I shop online, pay bills online, etc.. yes I do. I also check my bank account online. Most security threats for that sort of thing, are going to be on the server end, and you have no control over that. Watch your status bar before you put in your passwords, account numbers, etc.. and make sure the site has security authentication(little padlock in the status bar at the bottom of the browser). Use strong, random passwords, etc..

The main threat on your end(the client end) when using these services, is keyloggers, data mines, etc.. I've yet to see anything like that for Linux.

Need anymore help, feel free to ask.

IGF

Hey IGF if I may be so bold. In windows IIRC there was some kind of hole in the security of 3.1.1. I don't know if it applies to the Linux version. I know they made a pretty quick upgrade to 3.1.2. So I am unprepared to answer you question as to need with any authority. Thanks for the props for using it for important stuff. I took my 5 year of box and set it up for the TV and netflix. I don't want the wife on my computer, so if I can set up the old Athlon with 10.04 and ClamAv, I'm hoping I'm good to go. Are there more secure versions of Linux or is it about the same due to the design of the OS and the permissions? I do like Ubuntu, very easy to get along with, but I'm not set in concrete.
Thanks again for your assistance, running 3.1.1 just fine.
pascal

pascal
08-18-2010, 04:04
Hello Linux3,
I go you and understand, actually I started using Linux before there were graphic interfaces. I used to know how to get around, but lost in the synapse.
I really like the find command and the pipe and such and using EMACS. But that is back when I was using DOS and it wasn't much of a transition. IMO you have valid points to use the full potential of this OS at the command prompt. Alas I'm currently trying to get the darn Windows 7 working. Never seen such a touchy OS.
Thank you kindly for your assistance. The added repository actually lets Synaptic Manager to see and manage the program.
pascal

pascal
08-18-2010, 04:09
You Gentlemen draw the past back into view. Kaypro CPM with 2 floppies so I didn't have to switch the program with the data disk, hallelujah. Couldn't afford the massive 10 MB hardrive. Those were the days my friends.....
pascal

IndyGunFreak
08-18-2010, 10:31
Hey IGF if I may be so bold. In windows IIRC there was some kind of hole in the security of 3.1.1. I don't know if it applies to the Linux version. I know they made a pretty quick upgrade to 3.1.2. So I am unprepared to answer you question as to need with any authority. Thanks for the props for using it for important stuff. I took my 5 year of box and set it up for the TV and netflix. I don't want the wife on my computer, so if I can set up the old Athlon with 10.04 and ClamAv, I'm hoping I'm good to go. Are there more secure versions of Linux or is it about the same due to the design of the OS and the permissions? I do like Ubuntu, very easy to get along with, but I'm not set in concrete.
Thanks again for your assistance, running 3.1.1 just fine.
pascal

I can't find any reference to a security bug in 3.1.1... maybe I'm just missing it.. but I've Googled till my eyes bleed, and I'm not seeing anything. I saw some minor bug fixes, but nothing that looked security related.

ClamAV is a bit of a waste of time w/ Linux. I'm completely anal about virus protection and spyware protection, and I don't run it on a Linux box. The risk is so low, it's not worth getting yourself into a tissy about.

There was a rather lengthy thread about this not to long ago, but I'll summarize it for you. In order for virus/spyware to run on your system and do any real damage, it's either going to have to be ran intentionally as root, or trick you into running it as root. If by chance you simply run it w/o root privileges, the absolute worse thing that can happen, is it will infect that user.. then you simply delete the user and create a new one, and the virus is gone. Again though, these are very remote possibilities. Only run commands given to you by trusted individuals, don't do everything w/ root(which with Ubuntu, you can't without actually trying to).... and I'd say your risk level is probably about 99% less than a Windows box.

If you like Ubuntu, stick w/ it... it's a great distro to learn the ropes of Linux.. if later on you want to try something else, you can.

IGF

pascal
08-18-2010, 14:05
Kind Sir IGF,
Thanks for the information. I am a bit, well more than a bit anal about security, if 3 antimalware programs are good, 5 must be better:whistling:?
I noticed that a Release 9.XX was an LTS. I never got it to load properly while the then 10.02 fit in perfect. How does the 10.04 not being an LTS affect us, the users?
pascal

IndyGunFreak
08-18-2010, 14:19
Kind Sir IGF,
Thanks for the information. I am a bit, well more than a bit anal about security, if 3 antimalware programs are good, 5 must be better:whistling:?
I noticed that a Release 9.XX was an LTS. I never got it to load properly while the then 10.02 fit in perfect. How does the 10.04 not being an LTS affect us, the users?
pascal

I think you got that backwards... 10.04 is an LTS release, there was no 9.xx LTS release. The last LTS release(prior to 10.04) was 8.04. There was no 10.02 release, so I think you've confused that with something else.

As a normal, every day home user? Not really all that much. LTS simply stands for Long Term Support, which means the Desktop OS is supported w/ System and Security updates for 3yrs (5yrs on a server) as opposed to 18mo on a non-LTS release. It simply means you don't have to upgrade your distro as soon if you don't want to. LTS is probably more handy in an enterprise environment.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases

Hope that helps...

pascal
08-18-2010, 14:22
Thanks IGF,
I been wrong before, you just get used to it! :dunno:
pascal

Slug71
08-18-2010, 22:04
you may really want to join http://ubuntuforums.org/,
Have fun and enjoy it.
Once you get to know it youll see how good it really is.

pascal
08-19-2010, 04:11
Thanks Slug71,
Looks to be a lot of good information and an absolute beginner section. Once I get this Windows 7 tied down, I advance to really re-learning linux.
pascal