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pant3ra
08-24-2010, 20:42
Thoughts on this cartridge? Has anyone has any experience with this and/or the luck to test this into ballistics gel/waterjugs with clothe infront of it, etc...

Any feedback would be appreciated, thanks :embarassed:

cowboy1964
08-24-2010, 21:27
http://www.youtube.com/user/tnoutdoors9#p/c/BDB9A9740F47C67A/17/J-HktsSKV6Q

hotpig
08-24-2010, 21:39
Passes the FBI test. There is some anecdotal back yard testing on youtube. I would carry it for duty if I could not find any in the 147gr.

tx787
08-27-2010, 16:01
124gr +p is my favorite 9mm load generally speaking. I haven't bought any of this yet since I can get HST and GD for a lot less but I am really glad to see Winchester offering a civilian personal protection product that's the same as their duty ammo after restricting the Ranger line after being bashed in the head by crazy antis in NY.

beforeobamabans
08-27-2010, 16:06
It's a mystery to me why anyone would buy PDX when Ranger is readily available for half the price.

hotpig
08-27-2010, 17:32
It's a mystery to me why anyone would buy PDX when Ranger is readily available for half the price.There are a few reason why one might not. Convenience since PDX1 can be more easily found local. The Ranger Bonded 9mm still has not changed over to the PDX1 bullet yet.

beforeobamabans
08-27-2010, 17:41
There are a few reason why one might not. Convenience since PDX1 can be more easily found local. The Ranger Bonded 9mm still has not changed over to the PDX1 bullet yet.
I didn't realize PDX has a different bullet from Ranger. How is it different? Is it found in any other Winchester cartridges?

hotpig
08-27-2010, 17:59
Ranger is a whole product line using many different bullets.

The PDX1 is a Bonded jhp also used in the Ranger Bonded 40, 45GAP, 357SIG, and 45. Right now the Ranger Bonded 9mm are still using a bullet that looks more like a regular jhp than a PDX1.

Eventually production will catch up and the Ranger Bonded 9mm will change over also.

beforeobamabans
08-28-2010, 06:07
Ranger is a whole product line using many different bullets.

The PDX1 is a Bonded jhp also used in the Ranger Bonded 40, 45GAP, 357SIG, and 45. Right now the Ranger Bonded 9mm are still using a bullet that looks more like a regular jhp than a PDX1.

Eventually production will catch up and the Ranger Bonded 9mm will change over also.
So, you're saying that Winny is putting a more advanced bullet in the PDX than the Ranger. That surprises me as I always thought they positioned Ranger as their best of the best geared for LE.

Still, I doubt that I'll be paying the premium as I'm quite happy with the performance of my Rangers.

hotpig
08-28-2010, 06:54
So, you're saying that Winny is putting a more advanced bullet in the PDX than the Ranger. That surprises me as I always thought they positioned Ranger as their best of the best geared for LE.

Still, I doubt that I'll be paying the premium as I'm quite happy with the performance of my Rangers.Depends upon what Ranger you are refering to.

pant3ra
08-28-2010, 11:23
Just finished reading the topic, thanks for the feedback guys. hopefully I'll find the time to drive out to some land and put some of these pdx1s to the test myself with some of those wetted down newspapers in milk jugs :D

thegriz18
11-15-2010, 01:18
I've got these in my 17 right now. Other than TNoutdoors9 on youtube, has anyone done any chrono or terminal testing on it?

cowboy1964
11-15-2010, 06:07
If I want bonded I'll go with Gold Dots.

Until the PDX1 is available in 50 round boxes I'm not even going to consider it.

thegriz18
11-15-2010, 10:01
If I want bonded I'll go with Gold Dots.

Until the PDX1 is available in 50 round boxes I'm not even going to consider it.

That is a valid point. The 20 round boxes are a bit pricey. The only thing I like about the PDX1 over the Gold Dots is the case is better quality, based on the Gold Dot's I've seen, and muzzle flash is significantly less. That being said I'd pick up a box of GD's in a second. Forgot to add that I like being able to pick up a box at Walmart or Dick's when I'm out. Convenience is a factor. I'd pay $36 to 40 a box of 50 in PDX1 if they offered it, even though Ranger's are $26 online. Just saves the hassle of shipping and paying the $12 shipping charge.

cowboy1964
11-15-2010, 10:06
That is a valid point. The 20 round boxes are a bit pricey. The only thing I like about the PDX1 over the Gold Dots is the case is better quality, based on the Gold Dot's I've seen, and muzzle flash is significantly less. That being said I'd pick up a box of GD's in a second. Forgot to add that I like being able to pick up a box at Walmart or Dick's when I'm out. Convenience is a factor. I'd pay $36 to 40 a box of 50 in PDX1 if they offered it, even though Ranger's are $26 online. Just saves the hassle of shipping and paying the $12 shipping charge.

Convenience is a plus for the PDX1, for sure. I'd just like to see more in-depth testing and there just isn't much out there.

I have no issues with quality of Gold Dots. Nor muzzle flash. I've never had trouble with muzzle flash with ANYTHING in 9mm. Gold Dots are still one of my top picks, though I am leaning toward Ranger 127 +P+ lately and HST 124+P (but I haven't shot any of those yet).

thegriz18
11-15-2010, 10:31
Convenience is a plus for the PDX1, for sure. I'd just like to see more in-depth testing and there just isn't much out there.

I have no issues with quality of Gold Dots. Nor muzzle flash. I've never had trouble with muzzle flash with ANYTHING in 9mm. Gold Dots are still one of my top picks, though I am leaning toward Ranger 127 +P+ lately and HST 124+P (but I haven't shot any of those yet).

Have you ever shot the 115 +P+ Gold Dot? That load has caught my eye as being a ballistic equivalent to the 9BPLE load, with a tougher bullet. FWIW, the PDX1 bullets pass the magical FBI standards. And I think they sprinkle pixie dust on the boxes...:tongueout:

BOGE
11-15-2010, 22:30
Have you ever shot the 115 +P+ Gold Dot? That load has caught my eye as being a ballistic equivalent to the 9BPLE load, with a tougher bullet. FWIW, the PDX1 bullets pass the magical FBI standards. And I think they sprinkle pixie dust on the boxes...:tongueout:

The Speer 115 gr. +p+ seems to have real world results that mimic the 124 gr. +p GD in shootings. Nonetheless, I like the 115 +p+ very much. I still have a few boxes.

novaDAK
11-16-2010, 03:56
The Speer 115 gr. +p+ seems to have real world results that mimic the 124 gr. +p GD in shootings. Nonetheless, I like the 115 +p+ very much. I still have a few boxes.

isn't that a good thing?

Natty
11-16-2010, 08:51
Other rounds like Golden Saber, HST or Ranger T expand better.

PDX1 might be better at shooting through auto-glass windshields.

And for shooting through auto windshields, Gold Dot might be better than PDX1.

cowboy1964
11-16-2010, 09:05
Other rounds like Golden Saber, HST or Ranger T expand better.

PDX1 might be better at shooting through auto-glass windshields.

And for shooting through auto windshields, Gold Dot might be better than PDX1.

Kind of my feelings too about PDX1. That and the cost because of the 20 rounds boxes = no go.

thegriz18
11-17-2010, 01:01
But PDX1 is available in stores TODAY!!! LOL I personally like the PDX1.

CanyonMan
11-17-2010, 15:28
Thoughts on this cartridge? Has anyone has any experience with this and/or the luck to test this into ballistics gel/waterjugs with clothe infront of it, etc...

Any feedback would be appreciated, thanks :embarassed:




The 147gr PDX1 has better penetration in the test I've run, and I like it 'personally; over the 124gr. But I like heavy for caliber bullets, that will give me the 'best chance' for optimum penetration to get where they need to Go.


Good luck whatever you choose.



CM

BOGE
11-17-2010, 17:46
isn't that a good thing?

Yes, it is.

cww53132
06-05-2012, 08:28
Winchester PDX1 9mm +P - BALLISTICS TEST - YouTube

hotpig
06-05-2012, 08:48
Winchester will be changing the RA9BA over to the PDX1 bullet this year. Right now there is no scheduled production of RA9B but speculation is late summer or fall.

Adamz04
06-05-2012, 10:10
I've shot one into wetpack jugs before and it expanded pretty well, somewhere around .62 if I remember. I've had a couple in 40 that didn't open up and went all the way to my backstop. That has kind of kept me away from them. I know the talons on the one that did expand were not very sharp like that are on the rangers. I prefer federal ammo especially hst

Tiro Fijo
06-06-2012, 01:27
FWIW, a freind of mine in the industry told awhile back that the Ranger 124 gr. +p is getting rave reviews on the street, particularly on the West Coast. Now as to whether this is the Ranger RA9124TP or the RA9BA I know not. :dunno:

DRAGON1970
06-06-2012, 15:22
FWIW, a freind of mine in the industry told awhile back that the Ranger 124 gr. +p is getting rave reviews on the street, particularly on the West Coast. Now as to whether this is the Ranger RA9124TP or the RA9BA I know not. :dunno:

As you don't live in the United States, to which West Coast are you referring??

Tiro Fijo
06-06-2012, 18:27
As you don't live in the United States, to which West Coast are you referring??


I never told you that I don't LIVE in the USA. I said that I am not IN the USA. :wavey:

Thanks for reminding me to send your messages to the moderator. :supergrin:

DRAGON1970
06-06-2012, 18:38
I never told you that I don't LIVE in the USA. I said that I am not IN the USA. :wavey:

Thanks for reminding me to send your messages to the moderator. :supergrin:

:crying: Wipe your eyes son, it will be ok.

:rofl: