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Big_Grumpy
08-25-2010, 07:47
I've bought into the notion that heat shield on a shotgun was kind of silly, extra weight and not needed. Well, when you crank off about 75 rounds of 00 in a rather short amount of time for practice, the barrel tends to get a bit hot (understatement). More than a few times I've accidentally grabbed it or had it brush up against my arm or leg. Not to mention I can't put my shotgun away right away in the egg crate foam hard case I have after a session for fear of melting the stuff.

I have an 870 with an 18.5" police barrel with rifle sights. Does someone make a decent heat shield for that type of barrel?

Much appreciated!

Devin459
08-25-2010, 21:54
I totally agree man! I can't understand the reasoning behind all the people on forums like these that say heat shields are just for looks and all they do is add weight. I can tell you after rapidly firing about 50 shells of low brass cheap field loads I don't want to be touching ANY part of the barrel. The thing is, with universal heat shields, you run the risk of it seating too close to the barrel, rendering it useless. I've seen this with an 870. I would check out midwayusa and look at their offerings, and read reviews. I really haven't seen a good functioning heat shield on an 870 but then again I haven't seen many.

mixflip
08-25-2010, 23:05
The thicker milspec barrels do tend to absorb and hold heat alot longer...hence the invention of the heat guard. Plus it does protect a large area of the gun from impacts when being tossed around. It also makes for a field expedient cheese grater...lol.

Z71bill
08-29-2010, 11:58
But doesn't installing a heat shield automatically turn a normal everyday sporting gun into an assault weapon?


Use it in a SD situation and the jury will think you were looking for trouble - just itching to kill someone.

Law enforcement & anyone else that ever sees the shield will assume you are some sort of gun nut.
















:tongueout:

AK74play
08-30-2010, 12:05
Heatshield on HD gun is necessary as far as I'm concerned and for weight. They dont weigh enough that you will ever know it was added as far as the feeling of the gun in your hands. And it keeps your hands off the barrel even if it is cool enough to touch. Legally they only change the looks cosmetically and add nothing in the way of intent. It is simply for protection. You go adding tela - stocks and a lot of other (evil) looking stuff including but not limited to say a bayonett then your probably going to get attacked in court over the looks & intended use of the weapon.

O'DubhGhaill
08-30-2010, 13:33
If you are charged in a self-defense shooting and your case goes to trial, the prosecution will attempt to make your Surefire pen look like a weapon of mass destruction and you a craven, puncture-wound-inflicting menace to civilization. The only way to hopefully prevail if things go so wrong as to find yourself so deeply involved in the criminal justice system, is to carefully select and retain reputable counsel NOW, fully instruct yourself on your local, state, and federal laws regarding self defense, keep records of any educational material you have completed on the subject, including training courses, let those closest to you know who to call in the event you are arrested, and check out membership in an organziation such as Armed Citizens' Legal Defense Network, LLC (http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org).

I am installing heat shields on all my guns because they get awfully hot during a course or when practicing, plain and simple.

method
08-30-2010, 17:31
I have one on my 870 and love it. I recommend plastic, as a metal one still gets hot and could be rough on your hands.

ZekerMan
08-30-2010, 19:20
Method: What brand shield are you using? Any pics possible? Thanks

ZekerMan

AK74play
08-30-2010, 19:40
The one with round holes is a factory Mossberg and the one with longer holes is aftermarket but I dont remember who's. Go with steel, it dont get hot. Extremely limited contact with barrel and it just dont happen or beleive me I would have been burned by now. I run'em hard......

TACC GLOCK
08-30-2010, 19:53
My Mossberg just got one and it works great, I should have got one a lot sooner.

AK74play
08-30-2010, 19:55
My Mossberg just got one and it works great, I should have got one a lot sooner.
They also fit the 870 smooth barrels or any other 12 guage with a smooth barrel.

dc2integra
08-30-2010, 20:28
Ive been debating on getting one too im most likely gonna get the factory mossberg heat shield. Nice mossbergs by the way ak74 play

dc2integra
08-30-2010, 20:31
Sorry for getting off topic, but hey ak74play how does the factory mossberg shield fit does it scuff up the barrel ?does it move around come loose?

AK74play
08-30-2010, 21:17
Sorry for getting off topic, but hey ak74play how does the factory mossberg shield fit does it scuff up the barrel ?does it move around come loose?
Absolutely not, Cant possibly move provided it is installed correctly which is easy to do. It comes with everything you need. You can get it in Blued or nickel finish which is a flat finish if you have one of their Mariners. I paint the blued ones if you can tell from the pics, it gives me a flat finish and I dont have to worry about them rusting AND befor it comes uo it wont cook off there is really very little contact between the barrel and the shield to conduct heat. It will run cool or I would have already cooked it off. Both of the 2 pictured have ran flawlessly fo about 12 years and still look the way they did when I painted them..

shootingbuff
08-30-2010, 21:25
Someone explain the need. Everything I have heard thus far you get with any firearm and the TC heat without firing.

AFA loading - load underneath or roll the SG. No one shoots with their hand on the bbl, no should be carrying by the bbl. AFA storing open the bolt and place in the shade, You can put a damn hot wpn in the foam without problems - so what is the reason. I see a desire for the cool factor, but where is the need?

Of course if one just wants thats cool - that though is not what I am asking.

AFA having one and using the SG in defense if you get hung outto dry for a heatsheild., I don't see it happening.

AK74play
08-30-2010, 22:03
I dont understand the so called cool factor. I do it so I dont get burned and it protects my barrels. I run um hot and if you have ever accidently touched a hot one you wouldn't have to ask. Simple as that.

method
08-30-2010, 22:16
Method: What brand shield are you using? Any pics possible? Thanks

ZekerMan

Not sure of the brand. Got it at a gunshow 8 years ago just to have an excuse to play with the gun when I got home, but ended up really liking it.


http://a.imageshack.us/img134/5320/dscn0670vd5.jpg

ZekerMan
08-31-2010, 02:59
Thanks for the picture Method, looks like it clamps on solid on the front.

Big_Grumpy
08-31-2010, 07:38
Like I was asking originally, I have an 18.5" police barrel with rifle sights. Like this:

http://www.aiptactical.com/images/mvc-888s.jpg


Is there anyone out there that makes one, or would I have to cut out some notches in a "standard" one to accomodate the sights? If that's the case then I won't bother doing a hack job.

Thanks!

AK74play
08-31-2010, 07:46
Like I was asking originally, I have an 18.5" police barrel with rifle sights. Like this:

http://www.aiptactical.com/images/mvc-888s.jpg


Is there anyone out there that makes one, or would I have to cut out some notches in a "standard" one to accomodate the sights? If that's the case then I won't bother doing a hack job.

Thanks!
The steel is pretty rigid and wont open up enough to fit over the front sight you have. They are intended for bead sight application.

aippi
08-31-2010, 15:11
I don't respond to these type post, no need to, but you posted a picture of one of my weapons with my name on it. Please tell me that you are only useing the picture of one of my weapons and are not putting this on an AI&P Tactical shotgun. I have no control over what someone does once they receive one of my weapons but I don't want anyone thinking I would use something like this on any of my custom builds. Of course no one who has ever talk to me would think that but I have a brand image of no tacti-fool mess on my weapons and want to protect that. You can of course put anything on one that you want. So if it is one of my weaopns and you do this please let people know it did not come like that.

Oh yea watch this video. Try to find a heat shield like he has. You can't see it very well but you notice it flying through the air after the second round is fired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKHLn9lHABQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKHLn9lHABQ)

No one was hit or hurt when that mess flies off and a client of mine that was there with his AI&P Tactical sent me the link. You may also ask yourself why Vang Comp, Wilson, me and most other reputable builders don't off this mess on our custom builds. Gotta be a reason. Infact, you mostly see these things on lower cost budget shotguns in an attempt to make them look more tactical. Got ask why that is also. You will figure it out.

1 old 0311
08-31-2010, 15:41
I don't respond to these type post, no need to, but you posted a picture of one of my weapons with my name on it. Please tell me that you are only useing the picture of one of my weapons and are not putting this on an AI&P Tactical shotgun. I have no control over what someone does once they receive one of my weapons but I don't want anyone thinking I would use something like this on any of my custom builds. Of course no one who has ever talk to me would think that but I have a brand image of no tacti-fool mess on my weapons and want to protect that. You can of course put anything on one that you want. So if it is one of my weaopns and you do this please let people know it did not come like that.

Oh yea watch this video. Try to find a heat shield like he has. You can't see it very well but you notice it flying through the air after the second round is fired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKHLn9lHABQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKHLn9lHABQ)

No one was hit or hurt when that mess flies off and a client of mine that was there with his AI&P Tactical sent me the link. You may also ask yourself why Vang Comp, Wilson, me and most other reputable builders don't off this mess on our custom builds. Gotta be a reason. Infact, you mostly see these things on lower cost budget shotguns in an attempt to make them look more tactical. Got ask why that is also. You will figure it out.


You need one of those heat shields on your skin, looks like that's a little thin also.:tongueout::tongueout:

aippi
08-31-2010, 15:52
NO, it is my company, my custom shotgun he is showing. I don't mind him using the photo and just want it clear that my weapons are not associated with the topic of this thread. I have the right to say that no tacti-fool mess like this will come out of my shop. That weapon was build by my hands. No one touched that weapon but me. That is my Tactical II model and is being carried by a lot of LEO's and is standing by to protect a lot of people in their safes or by their beds. My weapons are serious and my clients are serious so if a photo of one of my weapons with my company name in the photo gets posted I have a right to make a comment.

Do you have some problem with a business owner protecting his product? Can't even undestand why you post something like you said. It is a smart ass uncalled for comment and has nothing to do with this post. You don't know me. After a flip comment like that, you don't ever want to meet me.

AK74play
08-31-2010, 16:11
NO, it is my company, my custom shotgun he is showing. I don't mind him using the photo and just want it clear that my weapons are not associated with the topic of this thread. I have the right to say that no tacti-fool mess like this will come out of my shop. That weapon was build by my hands. No one touched that weapon but me. That is my Tactical II model and is being carried by a lot of LEO's and is standing by to protect a lot of people in their safes or by their beds. My weapons are serious and my clients are serious so if a photo of one of my weapons with my company name in the photo gets posted I have a right to make a comment.

Do you have some problem with a business owner protecting his product? Can't even undestand why you post something like you said. It is a smart ass uncalled for comment and has nothing to do with this post. You don't know me. After a flip comment like that, you don't ever want to meet me.
Talk about uncalled for, you sir also shouldn't with a statement like tactifool try to make everyone beleive that this is typical of heatshields because someone with your obvious experience in the firearms industry knows beyond any shadow of a doubt that it simply isn't true. A good quality heatshield not only wont fly off like the one in the vidio, it wont move at all and does what it is designed to do. With all do respect to your product and not wanting any misrepresentation associated with them which I thouroughly understand, slamming someone elses product simply isn't necessary and I dont see where the other gentleman made any kind of personal attack to warrent a statement such as the above. We are all intitled to our opinions. Wish you and yours all the best.

mpow66m
08-31-2010, 16:29
Heat shields get hot,just like the barrell.:whistling:

1 old 0311
08-31-2010, 16:43
NO, it is my company, my custom shotgun he is showing. I don't mind him using the photo and just want it clear that my weapons are not associated with the topic of this thread. I have the right to say that no tacti-fool mess like this will come out of my shop. That weapon was build by my hands. No one touched that weapon but me. That is my Tactical II model and is being carried by a lot of LEO's and is standing by to protect a lot of people in their safes or by their beds. My weapons are serious and my clients are serious so if a photo of one of my weapons with my company name in the photo gets posted I have a right to make a comment.

Do you have some problem with a business owner protecting his product? Can't even undestand why you post something like you said. It is a smart ass uncalled for comment and has nothing to do with this post. You don't know me. After a flip comment like that, you don't ever want to meet me.

I do stand HUMBLY corrected:rofl:. After all we do see Mr. Glock on here having to defend his products every time someone makes a modification don't we? Oh wait! And John Moses? I bet he gets REAL tired of responding every time someone modifies a 1911. I am also so very tired of Mr. Smith, and Mr. Wesson, badgering that poor Elmer Keith for having the NERVE to to try to change what they made. Get over yourself sport. :crying:

As to your idle threat. It's obvious what type of 'internet commando' you really are. Your products should speak for themselves. The fact that you are overreacting speaks volumes.:wavey:

aippi
08-31-2010, 17:10
Well first off 0311 is an a Jarhead and he should have checked and he would not have took a personal shot at his brother. Look at the back ground on my web site. He is more Jarhead then me as he had a combat MOS and I was just 1161 but we are brothers. Anyway, he undestood what I was saying and he understood my PM. He just jumped in to a thread and made a smart ass comment and got personal by making a statement about me without knowing anything about me. He cracks that my skin is thin. That is personal and anyone who knows me would laugh their ass off about that one. I said nothing personal to you. Anyway as for 0311 he just took a shot. I fired back and if we did meet we wold find our common ground and agree to dissagree. That is what men do and he is Corps and that makes him a man in my book.

Yes, I get serious about my business. You put every dime, take personal loans against your home and put it all on a business. You work it every day, you set a standard of quality and workmanship that means you will make less then next guy. You refuse to go with the market trend and put all this mess on your weapons even though it will bring a lot more money. You keep the level of quality that I have and do business with the level of integrity I do. Then and only then can you talk about how I respond when the issue of my business comes up. And you brought it up using my photo to talk about some tacti-fool mess like heat shields on a shotgun. Again I did not mind you using the photo but I have a right to make it clear where I stand on this silly issue since my company name was used. So in my book you and 0311 are in the wrong. I sure will not aplogize for calling a heat shield Tacti-fool anymore then I would for calling Obama a socialist. It is what it is.

aippi
08-31-2010, 17:26
Hey 0311. I just read your last post. I had just said some stuff about you that I now take back. If you were Corps then I guess things have changed. I made over $318K gross building these tactical shotguns last years. LEO's in 27 states carry my weapons on duty and I rebuild Remington shotguns and provide armorer services for small Law Enforcement Agnecies. I am a factory trained Remington Law Enfocement armoer with a very sucessful business that is five years old. When most small businesses fail in the first couple years. I am growing. I pit 21 years in LE and at the rank of Colonel had 218 certified under me and a few cilvian staff.

So you are calling me an "internet commando" . Anyone reading that who knows my company is thinking you are a clown right now. Anyone who has a business in the building phase also knows that protecting it from the likes of a couple of guys like you two is also important. Using my photos in a thread about some silly mess like heat shields on a shotgun. Hell yes I am going to let people know that the weapon in the photo and the company in the photo have nothing to do with that mess. I build duty weapons and serious weapons not some tacti-fool mess.

If you have any more comments about me or my business my telephone number is 231-690-0954 and my web site is www.aiptacitical.com (http://www.aiptacitical.com) just mentioned that as my address is at the top of each page of the website. Call or come by as I will not even check this silly thread anymore. If I want clowns I can go to the circus.

david wright
08-31-2010, 17:39
The metal one on my Mossberg only gets warm after 50 or 60 shots, plus metal does absorb heat and adds surface area for the barrel to cool, which is one reason to have one anyways. Just a thought.

david wright

david wright
08-31-2010, 17:50
They make them in Blue steel Stainless steel and Parkerized for the 590A1 series like mine. Look on the net and u will see, Mossberg makes all 3 to match there guns or any smoothbore non vented barrels. I give its design and setup 5 out of 5 stars!!

david wright

HexHead
08-31-2010, 18:07
But doesn't installing a heat shield automatically turn a normal everyday sporting gun into an assault weapon?




According to Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY), "it's that thing that goes up."








:rofl:

1 old 0311
08-31-2010, 18:56
Hey 0311. I just read your last post. I had just said some stuff about you that I now take back. If you were Corps then I guess things have changed. I made over $318K gross building these tactical shotguns last years. LEO's in 27 states carry my weapons on duty and I rebuild Remington shotguns and provide armorer services for small Law Enforcement Agnecies. I am a factory trained Remington Law Enfocement armoer with a very sucessful business that is five years old. When most small businesses fail in the first couple years. I am growing. I pit 21 years in LE and at the rank of Colonel had 218 certified under me and a few cilvian staff.

So you are calling me an "internet commando" . Anyone reading that who knows my company is thinking you are a clown right now. Anyone who has a business in the building phase also knows that protecting it from the likes of a couple of guys like you two is also important. Using my photos in a thread about some silly mess like heat shields on a shotgun. Hell yes I am going to let people know that the weapon in the photo and the company in the photo have nothing to do with that mess. I build duty weapons and serious weapons not some tacti-fool mess.

If you have any more comments about me or my business my telephone number is 231-690-0954 and my web site is www.aiptacitical.com (http://www.aiptacitical.com) just mentioned that as my address is at the top of each page of the website. Call or come by as I will not even check this silly thread anymore. If I want clowns I can go to the circus.


It has been my experience that when someone has to say how 'bad' they are by throwing idle threats, how much money they make, and how good their products are. Usually neither A, B, or C are correct.

$318,000? At $800 each in 27 States that's only 14 shotguns PER STATE.:wow: Looks like QC, pricing, and marketing all need a 'little:rofl:' work.

Devin459
08-31-2010, 19:01
NO, it is my company, my custom shotgun he is showing. I don't mind him using the photo and just want it clear that my weapons are not associated with the topic of this thread. I have the right to say that no tacti-fool mess like this will come out of my shop. That weapon was build by my hands. No one touched that weapon but me. That is my Tactical II model and is being carried by a lot of LEO's and is standing by to protect a lot of people in their safes or by their beds. My weapons are serious and my clients are serious so if a photo of one of my weapons with my company name in the photo gets posted I have a right to make a comment.

Do you have some problem with a business owner protecting his product? Can't even undestand why you post something like you said. It is a smart ass uncalled for comment and has nothing to do with this post. You don't know me. After a flip comment like that, you don't ever want to meet me.

What is with you and your ridiculous "tactifool" comments? You think that because your profession is in weapons you have the right to bash the way someone customizes THEIR OWN weapon? The only fool is the type of person to act like another person is stupid/wrong because their guns don't conform to the likings of your holier than thou self. If Me or anyone else wants a heatshield and or any other custom item then I'm going to mount it and if you don't like it who cares? You don't need sights or vertical foregrips on carbines to hit your target but they sure as hell help don't they? Your "tactifool" comments are YOUR opinion, not fact, which I think you mistake every one of your opinions to be fact, which shows a huge character flaw. Sorry guys back to topic. Heat shields do have a place on a 12 gauge shotgun and are passively effective at dispersing heat from the barrel. It is very easy to accidentally touch a hot barrel, and after a decent day at the range, you dont want to be touching it or putting your hot gun on the foam in your case right away if it doesn't have a heat shield. I KNOW because I've experienced this just like MANY others. You can have whichever opinion you want on heat shields but the fact remains, it is an effective add on for SOME people.

shootingbuff
08-31-2010, 20:27
wow! Great thread - funny as all get out.

deadday
08-31-2010, 21:10
Well first off 0311 is an a Jarhead and he should have checked and he would not have took a personal shot at his brother. Look at the back ground on my web site. He is more Jarhead then me as he had a combat MOS and I was just 1161 but we are brothers. Anyway, he undestood what I was saying and he understood my PM. He just jumped in to a thread and made a smart ass comment and got personal by making a statement about me without knowing anything about me. He cracks that my skin is thin. That is personal and anyone who knows me would laugh their ass off about that one. I said nothing personal to you. Anyway as for 0311 he just took a shot. I fired back and if we did meet we wold find our common ground and agree to dissagree. That is what men do and he is Corps and that makes him a man in my book.

Yes, I get serious about my business. You put every dime, take personal loans against your home and put it all on a business. You work it every day, you set a standard of quality and workmanship that means you will make less then next guy. You refuse to go with the market trend and put all this mess on your weapons even though it will bring a lot more money. You keep the level of quality that I have and do business with the level of integrity I do. Then and only then can you talk about how I respond when the issue of my business comes up. And you brought it up using my photo to talk about some tacti-fool mess like heat shields on a shotgun. Again I did not mind you using the photo but I have a right to make it clear where I stand on this silly issue since my company name was used. So in my book you and 0311 are in the wrong. I sure will not aplogize for calling a heat shield Tacti-fool anymore then I would for calling Obama a socialist. It is what it is.

Good god man, get over yourself...you made the internet tough guy threats, grow up.

As to heatshields being a market trend? Heatshields have seen widespread use since the M1897 trenchguns nearly a century ago..but being the shotgun guru you are, you knew that already, right?

Big_Grumpy
09-01-2010, 10:42
Thank you for letting me use your picture, J.D. Matter of fact, yes I am a client, and yes, I indeed purchased your wonderful Tactical II. In my initial post I stated that at first I sided with you and thought heat shields were kind of silly too, but the more time I spend shooting, the more annoyed I get when I accidentally let the hot barrel touch some skin. The simple solution of course is DON'T DO THAT!!! But hey, if I can mount a solid heat shield that will help dissipate heat and prevent me from singing myself or anything that I may prop the weapon on, I feel it would be beneficial. That's just my opinion. It ain't about "tactifool" (I like that term), it's about function.

Don't let the folks "burn" you, J.D. You do have your opinions, and they are solid and built from years of personal experience. I do not discredit that in the least and respect them fully, and really appreciate you sharing your experiences on this forum, as I'm sure many others do too. I say keep them coming!

It looks like finding a heat shield for an 870 with rifle sights is darn near impossible anyway, and like I said, I won't put some hack job on my weapon that might fly off and scuff up the finish on an otherwise beautiful weapon. I won't discredit your company. ;) As she sits today, the only addition I've made is a rubber Hogue slip on grip, because I found the grip on the Knoxx a bit too slippery for my liking. Other than that, I agree that the weapon NEEDS nothing.

So, thanks again J.D.!

I didn't mean to stir up a hornet's nest here.

1 old 0311
09-01-2010, 11:22
Thank you for letting me use your picture, J.D. Matter of fact, yes I am a client, and yes, I indeed purchased your wonderful Tactical II. In my initial post I stated that at first I sided with you and thought heat shields were kind of silly too, but the more time I spend shooting, the more annoyed I get when I accidentally let the hot barrel touch some skin. The simple solution of course is DON'T DO THAT!!! But hey, if I can mount a solid heat shield that will help dissipate heat and prevent me from singing myself or anything that I may prop the weapon on, I feel it would be beneficial. That's just my opinion. It ain't about "tactifool" (I like that term), it's about function.

Don't let the folks "burn" you, J.D. You do have your opinions, and they are solid and built from years of personal experience. I do not discredit that in the least and respect them fully, and really appreciate you sharing your experiences on this forum, as I'm sure many others do too. I say keep them coming!

It looks like finding a heat shield for an 870 with rifle sights is darn near impossible anyway, and like I said, I won't put some hack job on my weapon that might fly off and scuff up the finish on an otherwise beautiful weapon. I won't discredit your company. ;) As she sits today, the only addition I've made is a rubber Hogue slip on grip, because I found the grip on the Knoxx a bit too slippery for my liking. Other than that, I agree that the weapon NEEDS nothing.

So, thanks again J.D.!

I didn't mean to stir up a hornet's nest here.


My God man. You had the nerve to ADD something? :crying: Here we go again.:whistling::whistling:

Big_Grumpy
09-01-2010, 11:43
My God man. You had the nerve to ADD something? :crying: Here we go again.:whistling::whistling:


You do realize that I asked the initial question, the thread flies off on some friggin' tangent you contributed to, and the question gets pretty much ignored as I only recieved one answer in this whole mess.

I try to follow up, and I have nerve??? :upeyes::rofl:

1 old 0311
09-01-2010, 13:42
You do realize that I asked the initial question, the thread flies off on some friggin' tangent you contributed to, and the question gets pretty much ignored as I only recieved one answer in this whole mess.

I try to follow up, and I have nerve??? :upeyes::rofl:


Sorry. That was meant as sarcasm/humor considering how this went off the chart. Glad you are happy with your purchase.

1 old 0311
09-01-2010, 13:56
p.s. To aippi. PLEASE quit sending me private messages. You may indeed make a great product but I will never know. I don't do business with 'internet bad #ss#s,' or jerks. Obviously I am not in the minority here. You having ONLY 14 LEO sales per State should tell you something.

Have a nice life!:wavey:

TommyV
09-01-2010, 15:04
But doesn't installing a heat shield automatically turn a normal everyday sporting gun into an assault weapon?


Use it in a SD situation and the jury will think you were looking for trouble - just itching to kill someone.

Law enforcement & anyone else that ever sees the shield will assume you are some sort of gun nut.

I see people make comments like these all the time and I am totally confused where it comes from. Do you have a real world example of anyone adding something like a heat shield or changing out a barrel in a gun leading to them being convicted in court for a righteous shooting?

An 18" shotgun is not a "normal everyday sporting gun". They are called tactical shotguns and marketed as defense weapons. Adding legal aftermarket parts like different stocks, shotshell holders or a heat shield does not make the weapon any more or less lethal than it was before.

1 old 0311
09-01-2010, 15:16
I see people make comments like these all the time and I am totally confused where it comes from. Do you have a real world example of anyone adding something like a heat shield or changing out a barrel in a gun leading to them being convicted in court for a righteous shooting?

An 18" shotgun is not a "normal everyday sporting gun". They are called tactical shotguns and marketed as defense weapons. Adding legal aftermarket parts like different stocks, shotshell holders or a heat shield does not make the weapon any more or less lethal than it was before.


I agree. That is not like the MORONS that have "MAKE MY DAY" engraved on their barrel.

david wright
09-01-2010, 18:02
As sand through an hour glass, so are the days of our lives! Lol This is better than daytime tv! funny as all

david wright

Its just a phreaken Heat Shield, cant we all just get along? Heck NO to many ALPHA MALES IN THIS PACK OF WOLFS

FotoTomas
09-03-2010, 16:17
Back to the original post...

I have a Remington 870 with 7+1 capacity. I keep it loaded with 6 rounds of 00 buck and 6 more in the side saddle.

I have no use for a heat shield on it as my home defense shotgun. I doubt that I will have an issue with those first 12 rounds carried in and on the gun.

I use this same shotgun as my police patrol car equalizer and I do not need a heat shield there. Same 12 rounds on board will get me through the night with another 12 in the bail out bag if I remember to grab it.

I also compete with this same shotgun in local 3 gun matches at the Central Florida Rifle and pistol club. When I shoot shotgun stages I will often shoot in excess of 20 rounds of cheap birdshot at steel popper targets. After a quick 16 or more rounds while on the clock the barrel is hot enough to burn my hand when I reload. I bought a simple generic heatshield for my gun and have been very happy with its performance. It stays in place when I have the gun loaded up behind the door at home or in the patrol car.

I do not need it for those activties but I sure need it on the range and think anyone else with similar issues will appreciate one. Mine is an inexpensive TacStar brand and nothing special to look at but when mounted properly it does what it is designed to do. It has never flown off either. :D

I do admit that recoil can cause it to move and if you run some heavy loads or a lot of rounds through the weapon you might have to adjust it back and forth. Minor price to pay to avoid that "sizzle" during a stage. :)

FotoTomas
09-03-2010, 16:34
Someone explain the need. ...snip...AFA loading - load underneath or roll the SG. ...snip...

The key for me when reloading rapidly during a match is to roll the gun. After the roll I am pulling individual shells from a chest rig or from a belt rig. While loading my weak hand is holding the shotgun just ahead of the breach and it is HOT!!!

That is why "I" "Need" a heatshield. I compete with the shotgun the way I keep the shotgun ready for social purposes. The competition part will have me shooting far more rounds than the social purposes part of the equation. As such keeping the shield on the gun at all times is a KISS move to keep me comfortable with the weapon no matter what purpose it is being used for.

G19 A4
09-04-2010, 23:29
The longer I live, the more I believe that READING is a lost art. :crying:

READING is fundamental.

rem2429
09-07-2010, 13:17
I don't respond to these type post, no need to, but you posted a picture of one of my weapons with my name on it. Please tell me that you are only useing the picture of one of my weapons and are not putting this on an AI&P Tactical shotgun. I have no control over what someone does once they receive one of my weapons but I don't want anyone thinking I would use something like this on any of my custom builds. Of course no one who has ever talk to me would think that but I have a brand image of no tacti-fool mess on my weapons and want to protect that. You can of course put anything on one that you want. So if it is one of my weaopns and you do this please let people know it did not come like that.

Oh yea watch this video. Try to find a heat shield like he has. You can't see it very well but you notice it flying through the air after the second round is fired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKHLn9lHABQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKHLn9lHABQ)

No one was hit or hurt when that mess flies off and a client of mine that was there with his AI&P Tactical sent me the link. You may also ask yourself why Vang Comp, Wilson, me and most other reputable builders don't off this mess on our custom builds. Gotta be a reason. Infact, you mostly see these things on lower cost budget shotguns in an attempt to make them look more tactical. Got ask why that is also. You will figure it out.

While I respect your opnion and admire your shotguns, heat shields have been used on combat shotguns for years. I think they have a place, and that most civilian and LE will not need to use a shotgun enough to get it all that hot. A soilder, competitor, or person that trains often with a shotgun might think otherwise. These people should know the liability that comes with it. I would agree that most of them are bought for the "coolness" and not the "heat" of it. I don't have one, and I have a burn scar on my leg from a strong hand reload to prove it.

MajorD
09-24-2010, 21:31
while not a fan of heat shields, it can take a lot less to get them uncomfortably hot. My club runs a combo pistol shotgun course a few times a year and even 20 rounds of birdshot fired rapidly can get cause the barrel to get pretty hot

dc2integra
09-25-2010, 14:08
Ive heard good things from people who own the plastic heat shield made by JHON MASON do any of you guys have any experience with them?

unit1069
09-25-2010, 16:14
Ive heard good things from people who own the plastic heat shield made by JHON MASON do any of you guys have any experience with them?

I don't know what brand it is but I have had a plastic heat shield on my Maverick 88 since the days it was a shelf queen. I burned myself more than once before I decided I needed one, and it was cheap, easy to install, and effective. Also, it weighs next to nothing.

Best of all is that it's never gotten overheated, it doesn't move from its location (except for having to rotate it slightly every so often), and it's kept me from burning myself. I have accidentally touched other parts of the barrel once or twice since installing it and it's a reminder why I put the heat shield there in the first place.

I can't say enough good things about the cheapo plastic heat shield I have.

dc2integra
09-25-2010, 19:03
does it scratch up the barrel? because I paid a pretty penny to get mine parkerized and i wouldnt want to scrape it all up

unit1069
09-25-2010, 20:27
does it scratch up the barrel? because I paid a pretty penny to get mine parkerized and i wouldnt want to scrape it all up

I don't really know; I haven't had the heat shield off since I put it over the barrel.

It won't bother me if there is a little scratch or two because I have gone the cheap-but-effective self-defense shotgun route. I might feel differently if I had a nice one.

The final straw that prompted me to put a Knoxx reduced recoil adjustable stock was when I shot full power buckshot with the stock pistol grip. My weak hand flew off the pump and I nicked the barrel on the concrete shooting bench. Not a big or serious scratch and it doesn't bother me, but like I wrote above I might feel differently if I had more an investment in a better shotgun.

PS After my last post I went to look for the shield maker name on the product. I couldn't find any name; just a plain black plastic heat shield that is just the right length for the Mossberg Maverick 88 five shot model.

Spiffums
09-26-2010, 15:12
But doesn't installing a heat shield automatically turn a normal everyday sporting gun into an assault weapon?


Use it in a SD situation and the jury will think you were looking for trouble - just itching to kill someone.

Law enforcement & anyone else that ever sees the shield will assume you are some sort of gun nut.




:tongueout:


Is this double if you own a Smith 4506?

robinsok
09-27-2010, 17:54
Edited to stay on topic.

On topic, i actually DISLIKE the look of heat shields on shotguns. I think they look sort of cheesy. But if the heat was an issue, and it took care of the problem, i might use one. Most of my guns are made for function, not style.

deadday
09-27-2010, 19:09
does it scratch up the barrel? because I paid a pretty penny to get mine parkerized and i wouldnt want to scrape it all up

:upeyes::rofl::rofl:

cooden
11-05-2010, 09:42
Hey 0311. I just read your last post. I had just said some stuff about you that I now take back. If you were Corps then I guess things have changed. I made over $318K gross building these tactical shotguns last years. LEO's in 27 states carry my weapons on duty and I rebuild Remington shotguns and provide armorer services for small Law Enforcement Agnecies. I am a factory trained Remington Law Enfocement armoer with a very sucessful business that is five years old. When most small businesses fail in the first couple years. I am growing. I pit 21 years in LE and at the rank of Colonel had 218 certified under me and a few cilvian staff.

So you are calling me an "internet commando" . Anyone reading that who knows my company is thinking you are a clown right now. Anyone who has a business in the building phase also knows that protecting it from the likes of a couple of guys like you two is also important. Using my photos in a thread about some silly mess like heat shields on a shotgun. Hell yes I am going to let people know that the weapon in the photo and the company in the photo have nothing to do with that mess. I build duty weapons and serious weapons not some tacti-fool mess.

If you have any more comments about me or my business my telephone number is 231-690-0954 and my web site is www.aiptacitical.com (http://www.aiptacitical.com) just mentioned that as my address is at the top of each page of the website. Call or come by as I will not even check this silly thread anymore. If I want clowns I can go to the circus.

I am so glad that I DID NOT end up contacting you to buy a shotgun. Your shotguns are nothing more than 870 Police models that you engrave your name on the receiver and then put all the accessories on for extra money. I can buy a 870 Police, have it laser etched with my name and put on my own accessories for hundreds less than what you charge. Your not Wilson, your not Nighthawk--they actually go through and rework the entire shotgun to function smoother in all aspects of operation.

For you to come on this thread and act like a total assclown because someone used one of your "engraved" 870 Police models is just bad business all the way around. If anything, you should have been happy that someone was giving you some free advertisement, maybe you could have gotten some interested customers to call you--but instead, your sh** attitude shined through.

Another thing, I see a lot of shotgun shooters in 3-gun competiton with heat shields on the shotguns, I would say at least 50% for the guys that run pumps, but heat shields are just for tacti-fools :upeyes: