When did ammo come back down?

[njl]

Last time I looked, Federal XM193 was around $400/k if you could find it. Now I see multiple sources have it for around $300 or less per thousand. I should still be able to reload .223 for quite a bit less than that...but if I didn't have the press and most of the components, I'd be tempted to buy a case or two.

[Tucson_1]

I first noticed the price drop on the American Eagle XM193 about a month ago.

[ACE31]

It never should have been that expensive in the first place. Like 45ACP being $20.00 a box for 230 grain FMJ, its all a freaking scam job.

[Deployment Solu]

Walmart still hasn't gotten the message!!!!

[djegators]

Walmart hasn't gotten what message?


As for ammo, get ready for to get even worse than it was a year ago, if this EPA ban goes anywhere.

[zhix]

Walmart hasn't gotten what message?


As for ammo, get ready for to get even worse than it was a year ago, if this EPA ban goes anywhere.


I think that's refering to walmarts' price for federal 223 is still $40/100 rds. and their remington 223s are about $10 when I have been able to get them for $7.50 elsewhere.

[k594]

walmart wont be lowering those prices as long as people are still buying them

[djegators]

Overall Walmart has remained one of the lowest places to buy ammo, and they did not engage in the very high pricing during the buying craze.

[ScrapMetal]

Overall Walmart has remained one of the lowest places to buy ammo, and they did not engage in the very high pricing during the buying craze.


+1....... I totally agree. You still can't beat their handgun ammo prices.

[amt115]

I hope this whole EPA lead bullet thing doesn't start up another ammo buying craze. I"m finally being able to find .380 ammo again.

[lawman800]

I bought a few cases of Federal XM193 for $330 locally, after tax, around June.

[racer88]

I hope this whole EPA lead bullet thing doesn't start up another ammo buying craze. I"m finally being able to find .380 ammo again.

The EPA thing is already over. It was never really a "thing," anyway. It was an environmental group petitioning the EPA. The EPA is required to answer any petition. And, the EPA said "no" in very short order. Game over.

[IQof1]

The EPA thing is already over. It was never really a "thing," anyway. It was an environmental group petitioning the EPA. The EPA is required to answer any petition. And, the EPA said "no" in very short order. Game over.


but, now that that door has been opened.....

[racer88]

but, now that that door has been opened.....

And slammed shut. Sure... they can try to come knocking again... and they will. Probably a different door. But based on the letter written by the EPA, it seems they are done with the issue.

[Constructor]

Last time I looked, Federal XM193 was around $400/k if you could find it. Now I see multiple sources have it for around $300 or less per thousand. I should still be able to reload .223 for quite a bit less than that...but if I didn't have the press and most of the components, I'd be tempted to buy a case or two.

Geez,
I remember buying cans for $89...... about 17 years ago
The 5.45x39 stuff at $120/1080 looks pretty good right now.

[njl]

yeah...my good old days for .223 ammo prices was when I could buy M193 for $160 or so per thousand.

[NeverMore1701]

Geez,
I remember buying cans for $89...... about 17 years ago
The 5.45x39 stuff at $120/1080 looks pretty good right now.

Are there any production 5.45 uppers and mags that actually run reliably? Cause I've heard lots more cons than pros on them.

They sound like a fine idea.... If they really work.

[stopatrain]

Now is a good time to buy.

[djegators]

Are there any production 5.45 uppers and mags that actually run reliably? Cause I've heard lots more cons than pros on them.

They sound like a fine idea.... If they really work.


Guess its just me...but I like to go with the guns and ammo that they were designed for. I wanted a 7.62x39, so went AK. For 5.56, AR15. If/when I go 5.45, guess I will go AK-74.

[NeverMore1701]

Guess its just me...but I like to go with the guns and ammo that they were designed for. I wanted a 7.62x39, so went AK. For 5.56, AR15. If/when I go 5.45, guess I will go AK-74.

How accurate are most of the inexpensive 74s? I've been thinking one would be cool, but if it's all over the place at 100 yards I'd not be interested.

/derail

[djegators]

How accurate are most of the inexpensive 74s? I've been thinking one would be cool, but if it's all over the place at 100 yards I'd not be interested.

/derail



Good question...guess I assume they are similar to other AK variants, maybe a bit better? Good enough for me at 100 yards anyways.

[D4RWlN]

nevermind

[MrOldLude]

but, now that that door has been opened.....
Once the door has been opened, some people will continue to actively use it as a justification to ammo hoard.

[racer88]

Once the door has been opened, some people will continue to actively use it as a justification to ammo hoard.

Honest question... What is the definition of "ammo hoarding?" It brings to mind the old George Carlin bit about other drivers: "You ever notice that everyone driving faster than you is an *******, and everyone driving slower than you is an idiot?" (Paraphrased from memory)

So, is a hoarder anyone who has more ammo than you? And, anyone who has less is "unprepared?"

Again... not being argumentative. I'm genuinely curious what the GTers would classify as "hoarding." I started building my "supply" several months ago. At what point am I a hoarder? 100 rounds? 1000 rounds? 5,000 rounds? 10,000 rounds? And, then do we break it down into the various calibers? Or do we look at the total round count?

Thanks!

[njl]

So, is a hoarder anyone who has more ammo than you? And, anyone who has less is "unprepared?"

Again... not being argumentative. I'm genuinely curious what the GTers would classify as "hoarding." I started building my "supply" several months ago. At what point am I a hoarder? 100 rounds? 1000 rounds? 5,000 rounds? 10,000 rounds? And, then do we break it down into the various calibers? Or do we look at the total round count?

Thanks!

I don't think you can define "ammo hoarder" in raw numbers. Someone who shoots a lot will go through the ammo much faster. 1000 rounds might be a year's supply for some, a month's (or less) supply for others. Some might say if you have more than a few years worth of ammo, you're a hoarder. Others might say you're a savvy investor. If you stocked up on M193 when it was $160/1k or less, either your investment has doubled in value, or you're saving 50% compared to people buying the stuff now.

[racer88]

I don't think you can define "ammo hoarder" in raw numbers. Someone who shoots a lot will go through the ammo much faster. 1000 rounds might be a year's supply for some, a month's (or less) supply for others. Some might say if you have more than a few years worth of ammo, you're a hoarder. Others might say you're a savvy investor. If you stocked up on M193 when it was $160/1k or less, either your investment has doubled in value, or you're saving 50% compared to people buying the stuff now.

Good answer. :) OK... let's say you're not shooting all of it within a year. Perhaps you're "saving for a rainy day." Or, maybe a SHTF scenario. Or maybe you're a bit concerned that it may not be available at all in the future. Or another perspective is sort of a "dollar cost averaging" approach... You buy a bit here and a bit there regardless of price just to build up your stash without trying to predict the market / prices. How much is "OK" to save for a rainy day (before you're labeled by someone as a "hoarder")?

And, for that matter... is hoarding an inherently bad thing when it comes to putting away ammo? If so, why? I could "argue" that I'm doing my part for the economy and jobs by buying ammo. :)

Again... genuine curiosity. Thanks for playing along.

[Kalmah]

Honest question... What is the definition of "ammo hoarding?" It brings to mind the old George Carlin bit about other drivers: "You ever notice that everyone driving faster than you is an *******, and everyone driving slower than you is an idiot?" (Paraphrased from memory)

So, is a hoarder anyone who has more ammo than you? And, anyone who has less is "unprepared?"

Again... not being argumentative. I'm genuinely curious what the GTers would classify as "hoarding." I started building my "supply" several months ago. At what point am I a hoarder? 100 rounds? 1000 rounds? 5,000 rounds? 10,000 rounds? And, then do we break it down into the various calibers? Or do we look at the total round count?

Thanks!
You're fully stocked up when you have 5K of each handgun caliber and 10K of each rifle caliber on hand. Once you're there, you buy only enough to replace what you shoot. Anything more than that is hoarding.




I'm pulling those numbers out of my arse, but it sounds reasonable.

[djegators]

You're fully stocked up when you have 5K of each handgun caliber and 10K of each rifle caliber on hand. Once you're there, you buy only enough to replace what you shoot. Anything more than that is hoarding.




I'm pulling those numbers out of my arse, but it sounds reasonable.


Depends on how many of each you have...I say MINIMUM 500rds per handgun, 1000 per rifle. Then we get to stuff like 12 gauge is a bit more difficult to amass in quantity. And then there is rimfire...no reason not to have at least 4 or 5 bricks of .22lr for each weapon...

[Kalmah]

Depends on how many of each you have...I say MINIMUM 500rds per handgun, 1000 per rifle. Then we get to stuff like 12 gauge is a bit more difficult to amass in quantity. And then there is rimfire...no reason not to have at least 4 or 5 bricks of .22lr for each weapon...
But the question is, what's considered hoarding? So if you set a minimum, you have to set a maximum.

At least 500 rounds per handgun is the minimum, but if you have more than X number of rounds, you're hoarding. What's X?

[njl]

I shoot handguns much more than long guns. It's not unusual for me to have a few to several thousand rounds in each handgun caliber, but things like M193 or carbine ammo, I don't generally have more than one or two (1000 round) cases on hand.

I still have 9mm ammo that I bought almost 5 years ago...but it was a bulk order (2k rounds) of a type I don't shoot often (147gr FMJ), bought for a specific type of match I unfortunately stopped shooting the week before the ammo arrived. I still have 1 of 2 cases of this left

Qty Part # Product Title
Unit Price Total Price
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40 99280 Federal American Eagle 9mm Luger 115gr FMJ, 50 rds
$5.99 $239.60

bought in August 2007. It was on sale, a really good price for the time, and I probably should have bought even more.

Now that I reload, I'm going through my factory ammo much more slowly.

Should we talk about hoarding primers and powder next? :)
With those, you have to hoard to maximize savings and minimize the hazmat fees.

[Noodles McGee]

"When did ammo come back down?"

When people ran out of money.