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DoctaGlockta
08-28-2010, 09:27
I've just celebrated my 1st year of reloading. I have to admit that it is a far more rewarding 'hobby' than I ever imagined.

However with the recent petition from the Center for Biological Diversity (permanently now at the top of my dung list) to the EPA to basically ban lead I have to wonder when the powers that be finally get around to banning our beloved reloading.

I really don't want to go there but I really has gotten me thinking about the possibility. It wouldn't take much and the back door tactics (restricting primers for example) would shut us down faster than Jack makes it to the door for the UPS lady.

It has me starting to think about really beginning to stock up on components in decent quantities.

It is something that has been bothering me lately and needed to get it off my chest. I'm sure I'm just being paranoid.... or am I?

Thanks for listening

Glockdude1
08-28-2010, 09:49
Keep on re-loading. EPA is NOT banning lead.

http://politics.usnews.com/news/washington-whispers/articles/2010/08/27/epa-surrenders-to-nra-on-gun-control-issue-epa-rejects-attempt-to-regulate-lead-in-bullets-after-nra-protests.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/27/epa-rejects-calls-ban-lead-ammo-fishing-tackle/

:cool:

byf43
08-28-2010, 09:53
From what I just read, the EPA backed down.

Lock and (re)LOAD!!

http://politics.usnews.com/news/washington-whispers/articles/2010/08/27/epa-surrenders-to-nra-on-gun-control-issue-epa-rejects-attempt-to-regulate-lead-in-bullets-after-nra-protests.html

IndyGunFreak
08-28-2010, 09:53
I've just celebrated my 1st year of reloading. I have to admit that it is a far more rewarding 'hobby' than I ever imagined.

However with the recent petition from the Center for Biological Diversity (permanently now at the top of my dung list) to the EPA to basically ban lead I have to wonder when the powers that be finally get around to banning our beloved reloading.

I really don't want to go there but I really has gotten me thinking about the possibility. It wouldn't take much and the back door tactics (restricting primers for example) would shut us down faster than Jack makes it to the door for the UPS lady.

It has me starting to think about really beginning to stock up on components in decent quantities.

It is something that has been bothering me lately and needed to get it off my chest. I'm sure I'm just being paranoid.... or am I?

Thanks for listening

I just can't bring myself to repeat myself again. We'll be reloading our Photon laser cannons before that happens (because of the EPA anyway.. an ammo ban is certainly a threat.. but not from the EPA)

IGF

ColCol
08-28-2010, 10:43
It has me starting to think about really beginning to stock up on components in decent quantities.

Don't go doing that!!:shocked: We don't need a shortage to boost the price of components again. They're bad enough as it is with $20+ per pound of powder, $30 per 1K primers and bullets that use to be a penny a piece that are now double that or worse. When I first started reloading EVERYTHING was cheap compared to factory ammo.Supply and demand always has and most likely always will cause prices to sky rocket so-don't hoard!

fredj338
08-28-2010, 13:01
A hostile BO style govt could strike reloading from the USA w/ a stroke of the pen. HLS or ATF could "rule" it a threat to the govt & just ban reloading &/or the sale powder & primers. We have no constitutional right to make our own ammo. Reloading has been banned &/or heavily restricted in many countries. It all goes back to the clowns you elect to run the country. Elect socialist, you get socialist govt., pretty simple really.
Keep in mind that Dems are NOT for freedom of choice, just freedom of abortion & gay marriage, oh & building non Christian temples where ever they wish. They seem to want to limit my choice on just about everything else from guns to cars to what kind of food I can eat. Here in the land of fruits & nuts, they even want to ban big screen tvs & black cars:af:. One only needs to take the blinders off to see what is really going on.:dunno:

Rico567
08-28-2010, 14:43
Everything is "only a matter of time." A shovel and a little digging in the Earth's crust will reveal that most things that have been alive are now extinct. It only matters what we do while we're here.

"Whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some transatlantic giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never. All the armies of Europe and Asia could not by force take a drink from the Ohio River, or make a track on Blue Ridge in the trial of a thousand years. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men, we shall live forever, or die by suicide."

- Abe Lincoln, 1837

shotgunred
08-28-2010, 22:03
It has me starting to think about really beginning to stock up on components in decent quantities.
A smart thing to do.:cool:


Don't go doing that!!:shocked: We don't need a shortage to boost the price of components again. They're bad enough as it is with $20+ per pound of powder, $30 per 1K primers and bullets that use to be a penny a piece that are now double that or worse. When I first started reloading EVERYTHING was cheap compared to factory ammo.Supply and demand always has and most likely always will cause prices to sky rocket so-don't hoard!

You have to realize that we are reloaders. As such we all stock up in decent quantities. I can't imagine anyone here raising an eyebrow at 10K primers and several 8 pound jugs of powder. A true hoarder would have 100K primers and several 50 pound jugs of powder.

EL_NinO619
08-29-2010, 00:38
Only way to solve all this, is to spread the word. And not on here because you are preaching to the quire. Vote and stay active. the only 2nd amendment they can have is in the one in the porcelain god:pepper:..Lock & LOAD

Happy Hunting
08-29-2010, 01:12
Not to nitpick but... quire? Phonetics FTW

EL_NinO619
08-29-2010, 01:55
I typed on iTouch and sometimes it goes rouge on spelling. May i have a class on Phonetics. Come on its a Forum, Not a Midterm.:rofl:

steve4102
08-29-2010, 07:09
However with the recent petition from the Center for Biological Diversity (permanently now at the top of my dung list) to the EPA to basically ban lead I have to wonder when the powers that be finally get around to banning our beloved reloading.



Things are going to happen fast after Nov 2. IF the Rep. take back the House or the House and Senate the Socialists running this asylum will have no choice but to move fast. They've only got till Jan to pass their agenda. They will push, pass and ban anything and everything that stands in their way of turning this country into a complete Socialist State.

Look out, it's coming and it's guna come fast.

fredj338
08-29-2010, 12:22
Things are going to happen fast after Nov 2. IF the Rep. take back the House or the House and Senate the Socialists running this asylum will have no choice but to move fast. They've only got till Jan to pass their agenda. They will push, pass and ban anything and everything that stands in their way of turning this country into a complete Socialist State.

Look out, it's coming and it's guna come fast.
This is actually quite a concern. Hopefully any remaining Dems will see the writing on the wall & not go along w/ a nuclear decision like that. Really, people should be very concerned about what is going on in less than 60days. This could be the downward spiral of the US economy. Many have not seen really bad times. SOme od the older guys can rememeber the depression years & we haven't gotten that far, yet! MY fear, if the Dems hold both houses, they go wild & spend us into Greece.
The only way out, right now, w/ this current admin, is to get people in there that will say no to ALL increases in spending, across the board. Everything has tp be on the table, starting w/ roll backs in ALL govt pay, freezes on hiring & all the boondoggle military spending. Really, do we need another aircraft carrier or planes that cost so much we don't fly them in combat (B2)?:dunno:

PCJim
08-29-2010, 12:52
Unless POB tries some sort of Executive Order, I don't believe Congress will be able to pass any anti-gun measures. There are quite a few Democrats in Congress that are pro-gun. In 2009, the estimate was something over 60. Add that to the Republican votes and I just don't believe Congress will let it happen.

Don't get me wrong, as I am not a Democrat. I just believe that there is not enough support in Congress to enact such legislature.

chris in va
08-30-2010, 01:27
Only thing I'm really seeing is a slow purge of lead wheelweights for casting. Everyone is going to Fe and zinc.

garander
08-30-2010, 06:45
the position that the dems might try to pass more misguided legislation in a sleazy lame duck session is exactly the reason they are about to be removed. all their bills these last two years have been passed in the middle of the night, in secret, on weekends,
not reading the bills, or even knowing the extent of whats in them. massive payoffs to garner the last vote to gain passage. the people are hip to them

DoctaGlockta
08-30-2010, 07:04
the position that the dems might try to pass more misguided legislation in a sleazy lame duck session is exactly the reason they are about to be removed. all their bills these last two years have been passed in the middle of the night, in secret, on weekends,
not reading the bills, or even knowing the extent of whats in them. massive payoffs to garner the last vote to gain passage. the people are hip to them

I hope so. May I quote the Hag Pelosi regarding the Healthcare bill:

"But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it"

Wow....that kind of stupidity and ignorance just blows my mind.

Brucev
08-30-2010, 08:20
In 2008 control of the federal govt. was seized by a regime hostile to the 2nd Amendment and allied with those who advocate for the total banning of firearms and ammunition. That regime has placed on the sc two extreme left-wing liberal judges who are clearly threats to our Constitutional rights. That regime has placed persons in control of fed. agencies who are advocates of Constitutional destruction. That regime has acted with international bodies to take steps to restrict and ultimately eliminate our Constitutional rights. That regime is in control of the epa, which is headed by a person known to be hostile to hunting (acted to eliminate sport hunting of bears). Now a petition is presented to the epa that seeks to eliminate ammunition and thus render the 2nd Amendment null/void. The sponsor is a extreme left-wing organization supportive of and sharing the same hostility to the 2nd Amendment held by the current regime. The current regime has plainly refused to obey the law when that law was politically inconvenient... cp. refusal to act against illegal aliens. The current regime has acted illegally to support it's agenda... cp. funding of abortions under the nationalized healthcare program. The current regime has acted to seize control of 1/6 of the national economy by nationalizing healthcare on a socialist scale. And now... the epa backs down on regulating lead in ammunition because the law restricts them? And a reasonable person is suppose to think that such obedience to the law of the land is to be the norm of a regime whose regard for law is based on the law of the gang? In this case, the epa did not act because the current regime is facing the growing threat of a November ballot box review of its administration. Even the msm can not provide sufficient cover for it to avoid responsibility for it's broad failures to deliver on all that the current resident of the white house promised. If November 2010 were a month ago instead of only two months away, there is every reason to expect that the epa would act precisely and exactly according to that pattern of Constitutional manipulation demonstrated by the current resident of the white house and his gangsta administration. Thank God for the NRA. It is one of the very few pro-gun advocates that can act aggressively to stop this regime.

PBKing
08-30-2010, 10:02
One only needs to take the blinders off to see what is really going on.:dunno:

Well then take them off for pete's sake. As for unions, 80% of our range membership is comprised of union members and Gov workers and just good ole folk like us. By the way, Thank You to all the LEO and 1ST Responders out their. Your effort and talent is appreciated.

I dont see how any respectable citizen would call the president a socialist and go and cash a Social Security check. Not directed towards anyone in particular.
ETA If you are really paranoid remember....we are coming for you!!!

GioaJack
08-30-2010, 12:06
Well then take them off for pete's sake. As for unions, 80% of our range membership is comprised of union members and Gov workers and just good ole folk like us. segway into Thank You to all the LEO and 1ST Responders out their. Your effort and talent is appreciated.

I dont see how any respectable citizen would call the president a socialist and go and cash a Social Security check. Not directed towards anyone in particular.
ETA If you are really paranoid remember....we are coming for you!!!


Been a bit off my feed for the last week or so and have spent my time laying around trying to get enough energy to eat my Honey Nut Cheerios but this thread has piqued my interest so I thought I'd chime in with my drug clouded opinion. As always, it is a worthless opinion but mine none-the-less.

Although I agree with very few of PB's political views he certainly has the right to not only have them but to actively work to see them come to fruition. Conversely I have the right to try and counter those efforts since in my perverted view of life, and the intended American model they are a perversion and in no way foster true freedom... or as close to that ideal that we can reasonably approximate.

Having been born during the Truman presidency I was fortunate enough to have lived most of my life with the knowledge that the 'American Dream' was not a house with a white picket fence, two cars in the garage and a chicken in the pot but rather the 'opportunity' to achieve those things, or anything else my warped mind to conjure up.

I was taught, and still believe that the pursuit of happiness was an inalienable right but that it was up to me to pursue and catch that happiness and that I should have no expectation that I had a right to have it handed to me, especially at someone else's expense.

I firmly believe that the fruits of my labor are mine to do with as I wish just as the consequences of my failures are a burden that I alone must carry. My decision to wallow in self-misery or carry on and try again are not for others to make, question or dictate, they are mine and mine alone.

Many scholars far, far more intelligent than I have formulated elaborate and eloquent definitions for the concept of FREEDOM. I am sure they are lauded for their philosophical insight and wisdom but in my simple mind the most accurate definition is a single word... CHOICE. None of us have really earned the right to make choices, we were born with the right, just as we will die with it.

At times some of us choose to defend this right through military service when outside forces challenge the concept while others do not. This may not be totally palatable to those who serve but in the end it's the most significant reason to fight... to preserve the right of choice.

To me, and again, this is just my worthless opinion, the most insidious enemy to freedom is that which infiltrates from within. There is no aggressive state attacking with military forces but rather an enemy that relies on human frailty, wanting something for nothing. Certainly a utopian concept but one that has, does and always will fail when it comes to the human species. One has only to look at the great civilizations throughout mankind to see glaring examples... each ultimately failed because of entitlements granted to and then demanded by the populace. Individual spirit and assertiveness was discouraged in lieu of the collective good. One need only to look at a household pet or zoo exhibit animal to see the same abhorrent consequences... provide all of an animal's, or human's needs and they will lose the ability to survive on their own. (A vigorous and lively debate could ensue over our well meaning yet utterly disastrous welfare system. One could argue that a great percentage of the local populace of Katrina had been conditioned to wait for guidance and rely on others rather than adapt to changing conditions and take matters into their own hands.)

It would seem that our current political climate is one that embraces the concept that life without risk is a one size fits all model. Nothing could be further from the truth. There is a very old adage that states, 'a man who does not take risks can not win'. We now have new financial regulations that limit 'the investing risks' that institutions can enter into. Why do we need these, to protect those who choose not to educate themselves on appropriate investment vehicles to fit their needs and risk aversion levels? Why should those who are willing to take risks for a potentially higher rate of return be penalized because of those who are not willing to dedicate the same amount of effort to better their financial effort?

There are those in our political structure and in society in general who want to deny others the basic right of self-preservation through the ownership of a firearm. They cite the supposed ambiguity of the second amendment and claim it does not give a citizen the right to bear arms. Why do we even need a second amendment? Who on this earth has the power, or right to tell you that you can not defend the life of your wife, children, neighbor or perfect stranger for that matter?

They use the argument that we have law enforcement agencies to protect us. Really? We have had organized law enforcement in this country for two hundred and thirty years but yet we still use phrases such as mass murderer, serial rapist, child molester, etc. My personal experience aside, ask any police officer if he writes more crime reports or stops crimes in progress. Ask if he witnesses the autopsies of more criminals or innocent citizens.

I often wonder if those who want to deny me my right of protecting myself, or you, do so because they have exercised their inherent right of 'choice' to live as a coward and if they force that choice on me they will feel better about themselves.

So as you can see, I fully support PB's right to have and believe in any political ideology in which he sees fit... it is after all his choice.

As an aside, I consider myself a respectable citizen, at least I've tried to be and I unabashedly believe that President Obama is a socialist and I equally unabashedly cash my social security disability checks. Do I need the money, no, but that's not for you to decide. I paid into that trust fund for over forty years, my contributions were mandated by a system that thinks they know how to live my life better than I do. Could I have gotten a better return on my money if left to my own devices? We'll never know, I wasn't given the chance but I do know that if I had invested a thousand dollars in Walmart in 1970 and just forgot about, (much like my social security tax) I would have had five hundred thousand dollars in 1990. A like investment in Microsoft in the eighties makes my disability check look like loose change in the sofa cushion as do many other investment vehicles that might not have been an option due to a mandated contribution.

Do I feel bad taking back my own money? Not in the least. I am not my brother's keeper... unless I want to be. When I buy an electric wheelchair for some kid I see on the evening news it is my choice, and my choice alone. When I pay the deductible or co-pay for some woman's breast cancer surgery it is my decision and my decision and my decision alone, the same as if I decided to blow that money on hookers, scotch and cigars. I earned it, it is the fruit of my labor and in my uneducated and ignorant opinion anyone who tells me that I have a 'duty' to share the wealth is a socialist and simply knows that left to his own devices would starve to death if you locked him in a Safeway overnight.

Debate is fine, disagreement is fine, but please never question my moral character or respectability as a citizen... I don't take kindly to it.


Jack

steve4102
08-30-2010, 15:06
Hey Jack, That was Beautiful!!!

steve4102
08-30-2010, 15:12
Unless POB tries some sort of Executive Order, I don't believe Congress will be able to pass any anti-gun measures. There are quite a few Democrats in Congress that are pro-gun. In 2009, the estimate was something over 60. Add that to the Republican votes and I just don't believe Congress will let it happen.

Don't get me wrong, as I am not a Democrat. I just believe that there is not enough support in Congress to enact such legislature.

Well, sorry NO. Take a look at what just happened with the Heath Care Bill. The Democrats that opposed the bill were either strong armed or bribed into changing their vote. This President gets what he wants, by hook or crook. He has openly bribes so many members of Congress it's impossible to keep track. NO, when it's time, he will get the votes and it will be over.

DoctaGlockta
08-30-2010, 15:22
Hey Jack, That was Beautiful!!!

+ infinity. Hope you feel better Jack.

n2extrm
08-30-2010, 17:20
Jack,

Thanks for saying better then most of us could.

Feel better!

n2extrm
08-30-2010, 17:23
Fred,

The more you post and the more I read of them, the more I like you! It's nice to see some people still get it!

dudel
08-30-2010, 18:34
We've been through this in one form or another in years past. Always a few predicting the demise of reloading. Hasn't happened.

So, stock up on supplies, support the NRA, support pro-gun candidates, get out and vote, and keep reloading.

The sky is NOT falling.

newcc
08-30-2010, 19:39
Jack, Wow, you are a gentleman and a scholar ! very well said, Thank You, Bob

shotgunred
08-30-2010, 20:45
I do not like this Uncle Sam,

I do not like his health care scam.

I do not like these dirty crooks,

or how they lie and cook the books.

I do not like when Congress steals,

I do not like their secret deals.

I do not like this speaker Nan ,

I do not like this 'YES, WE CAN'.

I do not like this spending spree---

I'm smart, I know that nothing's free.

I do not like your smug replies,

when I complain about your lies.

I do not like this kind of hope.

I do not like it. nope, nope, nope!

Go green - recycle Congress in 2010!

steve4102
08-30-2010, 21:14
I do not like this Uncle Sam,

I do not like his health care scam.

I do not like these dirty crooks,

or how they lie and cook the books.

I do not like when Congress steals,

I do not like their secret deals.

I do not like this speaker Nan ,

I do not like this 'YES, WE CAN'.

I do not like this spending spree---

I'm smart, I know that nothing's free.

I do not like your smug replies,

when I complain about your lies.

I do not like this kind of hope.

I do not like it. nope, nope, nope!

Go green - recycle Congress in 2010!

I like That!!!

GioaJack
08-30-2010, 21:16
:laughabove: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Shotgunred is a poet and don't know it but his feet show it... they're Longfellows!

Outstanding Red. :cheers:


Jack

Murph33
08-30-2010, 21:30
Jack's post was quite eloquent and shotgunred's was quite humorous. However, both were great posts! I would have to say that I am right on track with you guys.

Hogpauls
08-30-2010, 21:59
Damn Jack! I had my hand over my heart and tears in my eyes reading that post. Thank You.

fredj338
08-31-2010, 01:38
Fred,

The more you post and the more I read of them, the more I like you! It's nice to see some people still get it!
Thanks! I don't know why I try to get people like PB to see reality. What I have learned over the years is that hard core liberal leftist have something genetically wrong w/ their brains. You can show them that 2+2 is 4, draw the equation, show them pictures, whatever, & they will argue; "it depends; how does the one 2 relate to the other 2? It could be 4, but I'm not sure I feel good about that being 4. Maybe it should only be 4 on Thursday? It can be 5 if I want, I have freedom of choice"! That is what it's like trying to explain why someone like PBO & his Chicago ilk & socialism is hurting this country. They just refuse to admit that their choice was wrong. Hey, I'll admit I tried the non party vote once; like other dupes, we got Clinton for 8 years. Enough of that experiment. No, vote the Republicans back in & hold their feet to the fire. Not that it was perfect, but maybe we can go back to the bad old Bush era where we had full employement & a manageable deficit.
BTW PB, IF I ever get a SS check, I'll gladly cash it. The bastards have been taking my money since I was 15! It's a shame the libs didn't listen to Bush in 2002 when he offered a very good solution to this ponsy scheme that the libs have foisted on the American people ever since FDR! Again, if the govt gives it, they can hold it over your head for a vote, much like the unions. If you are that good at your job, you don't need a fricking union to negotiate for you.:upeyes: It's a shame that LE, fire, teachers, etc have been sucked into them. It is all going to come apart sooner than later for them. You can't keep asking the private sector to pay outragious pay & benefits for sub standard performance in most cases, when the private sector are having to take cutbacks in their own pay & benefits to keep their jobs.
If we are truely are all in this together, then I would like to see ALL government employees take the same kinds of cuts the private sector takes. At the least, ALL govt employees pay & benefit packages should be voted on BY THE PEOPLE! After all, they are supposed to work for us. Keep in mind when you go vote; govt. by the govt, for the govt, is called socialism or communism but it is not a Republic or a Democracy. Our ralley cry should be "Remember Greece"!

steve4102
08-31-2010, 06:09
Thaks Fred, and speeking of SS.

<DD>Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the
<DD>independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the
<DD>general fund so that Congress could spend it?
<DD>
<DD>A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democrat
<DD>controlled House and Senate.
<DD>
<DD>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --
<DD>
<DD>Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
<DD>deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
<DD>
<DD>A: The Democrat Party.
<DD>
<DD>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----
<DD>
<DD>Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
<DD>Security annuities?
<DD>
<DD>A: The Democrat Party, with Al Gore casting the
<DD>'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the
<DD>Senate, while he was Vice President of the US
<DD>
<DD>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
<DD>
<DD>Q: Which Political Party decided to start
<DD>giving annuity payments to immigrants?
<DD>
<DD>AND MY FAVORITE:
<DD>
<DD>A: That's right!
<DD>
<DD>Jimmy Carter and the Democrat Party.
<DD>Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
<DD>began to receive Social Security payments! The
<DD>Democrat Party gave these payments to them,
<DD>even though they never paid a dime into it!
<DD>
<DD>------------ -- ------------ --------- ----- ------------ --------- ---------
<DD>
<DD>Then, after violating the original contract (FICA),
<DD>the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take
<DD>your Social Security away!
<DD>
<DD>And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!</DD>

Bob2223
08-31-2010, 06:41
<DD>




<DD>And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!<DD><DD>That is the worst part, people in other country's know more about our gov then 1/2 the people in this country.
Voting for a prez without looking at his background or checking out who he's dragging in with him is being gullible .

Maybe we should have a test you have to pass before you can vote! :dunno:

Man, after reading some of the resent posts I've come to the conclusion that lead can have a serious effect on your brain!


Bob


</DD>

fredj338
08-31-2010, 12:13
Thaks Fred, and speeking of SS.

<DD>Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the
<DD>independent 'Trust Fund' and put it into the
<DD>general fund so that Congress could spend it?
<DD>
<DD>A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democrat
<DD>controlled House and Senate.
<DD>
<DD>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --
<DD>
<DD>Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax
<DD>deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?
<DD>
<DD>A: The Democrat Party.
<DD>
<DD>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----
<DD>
<DD>Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social
<DD>Security annuities?
<DD>
<DD>A: The Democrat Party, with Al Gore casting the
<DD>'tie-breaking' deciding vote as President of the
<DD>Senate, while he was Vice President of the US
<DD>
<DD>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
<DD>
<DD>Q: Which Political Party decided to start
<DD>giving annuity payments to immigrants?
<DD>
<DD>AND MY FAVORITE:
<DD>
<DD>A: That's right!
<DD>
<DD>Jimmy Carter and the Democrat Party.
<DD>Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65,
<DD>began to receive Social Security payments! The
<DD>Democrat Party gave these payments to them,
<DD>even though they never paid a dime into it!
<DD>
<DD>------------ -- ------------ --------- ----- ------------ --------- ---------
<DD>
<DD>Then, after violating the original contract (FICA),
<DD>the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take
<DD>your Social Security away!
<DD>
<DD>And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!</DD>
Not to mention Dems got us into two of the largest conflicts in US history; WWII & Vietnam. They like to "feel" they are so much smarter than the rest of us but their voting choices tell me diff. Let's see, how many Dems are under investigation right now for ethics violations? Yeah, MF change! I can only look forward to Nov & then 2012. PBO will be neutered & then lose to an unknown Rep in 2012 as this economy is waaaaaaay far from turning around.:steamed:

steve4102
08-31-2010, 14:20
Not to mention Dems got us into two of the largest conflicts in US history; WWII & Vietnam. They like to "feel" they are so much smarter than the rest of us but their voting choices tell me diff. Let's see, how many Dems are under investigation right now for ethics violations? Yeah, MF change! I can only look forward to Nov & then 2012. PBO will be neutered & then lose to an unknown Rep in 2012 as this economy is waaaaaaay far from turning around.:steamed:

The problem Fred is that Obama and his Socialist regime have the powder of the media in their pockets. No matter how bad things get, they can and will twist the facts and convince America that all that is GOOD is Obama and all that is BAD is Republican. It has worked in the past and it will work again. Any candidate that runs against Obama will be hammered into the ground with lies and accusations. He will have to spend big bucks at an attempt to defend himself while Obama and the Dems just sit back and let the Media do their dirty work for them, free I might add.

steve4102
08-31-2010, 14:34
<DD>George Bush, Queen Elizabeth, and Vladimir Putin all die and go to hell. While there, they spy a red phone and ask what the phone is for. The devil tells them it is for calling back to Earth.
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<DD>Putin asks to call Russia and talks for 5 minutes. When he is finished the devil informs him that the cost is a million dollars, so Putin writes him a check.
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<DD>Next Queen Elizabeth calls England and talks for 30 minutes. When she is finished the devil informs her that the cost is 6 million dollars, so she writes him a check.
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<DD>Finally, George Bush gets his turn and takes 4 hours. When he is finished, the devil informs him that the cost is $5.

<DD>When Putin hears this he goes ballistic and asks the devil why Bush got to call the USA so cheaply.
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<DD>The devil smiles and replies: "Since Obama took over, the USA has gone to hell, so it's a local call!"
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shotgunred
08-31-2010, 15:39
<DD><DD>That is the worst part, people in other country's know more about our gov then 1/2 the people in this country.
Voting for a prez without looking at his background or checking out who he's dragging in with him is being gullible .
Maybe we should have a test you have to pass before you can vote! :dunno:
Man, after reading some of the resent posts I've come to the conclusion that lead can have a serious effect on your brain!

Bob

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Sorry bob but the truth is most don't care. If anyone read BO web site he was quite honest about his thoughts and desires. So far he has been diligently working on his list.

fredj338
08-31-2010, 18:20
The problem Fred is that Obama and his Socialist regime have the powder of the media in their pockets. No matter how bad things get, they can and will twist the facts and convince America that all that is GOOD is Obama and all that is BAD is Republican. It has worked in the past and it will work again. Any candidate that runs against Obama will be hammered into the ground with lies and accusations. He will have to spend big bucks at an attempt to defend himself while Obama and the Dems just sit back and let the Media do their dirty work for them, free I might add.
I have to agree, that is how Hitler ran things & not comparing PBO to Hitler, but if you study history, you see how much the people were manipulated & lied to. Tell a lie often enough & people will repeat it as the truth. Sounds kinda familiar huh?
I am not worried about 2012 though, he will be rendered eunuch w/o liberal support in both houses. The economy will not recover by 2012, I'll take any bets on that. Too much money has been spent & too many things to undo before the economy has the strength to come back fully. Like CLinton said in 1994, "it's the economy stupid". People will not sit for 10% unemployement even if the pres is who he is & has the support of the press & his race. Yes race. The biggest problem for any one not of color in bucking his policy is they are immediately branded racist. Nope, I hate him for his policy just as much as SChumer, Pelosi or Boxer or that supreme idiot Biden. Let's see all white, yup!:whistling:
Sorry bob but the truth is most don't care. If anyone read BO web site he was quite honest about his thoughts and desires. So far he has been diligently working on his list.
This really is quite true. Several people I know, conservative, voted for him. Even though I kept telling them what he was really about, the voted for him. Now they are whining about his policy & how he is screwing things up. Geeze, really? He said he wanted to "fundamentally change the face of America" & he is doing exactly that. Change from ok to bad is not the kind of change most people wanted. That is what we have gotten. Out of the frying pan into the fire. Yeah, I feel sooo good about the change.:puking: At least the guys are coming back from Iraq. Oh yeah, that was Bush's fault too.:upeyes:

n2extrm
08-31-2010, 18:38
I have to agree, that is how Hitler ran things & not comparing PBO to Hitler, but if you study history, you see how much the people were manipulated & lied to. Tell a lie often enough & people will repeat it as the truth. Sounds kinda familiar huh?
I am not worried about 2012 though, he will be rendered eunuch w/o liberal support in both houses. The economy will not recover by 2012, I'll take any bets on that. Too much money has been spent & too many things to undo before the economy has the strength to come back fully. Like CLinton said in 1994, "it's the economy stupid". People will not sit for 10% unemployement even if the pres is who he is & has the support of the press & his race. Yes race. The biggest problem for any one not of color in bucking his policy is they are immediately branded racist. Nope, I hate him for his policy just as much as SChumer, Pelosi or Boxer or that supreme idiot Biden. Let's see all white, yup!:whistling:


I have had this discussion with people myself. I compare the Hitler&PBO only based on the use of tactics to make people follow blindly. Like it or not Hitler was a very liked person, charismatic, well spoken and people followed him. He had a country in shambles, the economy was in the toilet. Any of this sound familiar? They took away the guns from anyone who had them, controlled the press and manipulated facts. People followed him even though he was extreme, maybe even mad. But if you look at HOW he got a following and SOME of his industrial advances like VW he was brilliant. That dose not mean I stand for what he did or how he did it, just that it was remarkable to see how a person with charisma can make hundreds and thousands do the unthinkable using the media, fear and a bad economy.

My father ( a bit of a history buff, now deceased 26 years) used to say "if we forget history we are doomed to repeat it." He always taught me look at all the sides and all the angels, consider who has what to gain and loose. If you do those things and look at history, this administration will scare the hell out of you.

texas 48
08-31-2010, 21:37
Most of the People in this country under the age of 50 are just plain ignorant. They have little knowledge of history and can't think critically. They are too young to remember what our fathers did in WW2 ,LBJ'S "Great Society", socialism that failed. Jimmy Carters lack of courage and his stupidity when home interest rates hit 20% and the resulting deflation. Democrat policies like the enviormental movement that gutted our manufacturing base. These are the same people that voted for BHO a racist and a communist who is a Manchurian Candidate controled by the likes of George Soros and Davis (progrssive Insurance CEO) and liberal elites ACORN Ford foundation Moveon LaRaza and LULAC. How did this community organizer and anti american who has never run anything get to be President. Ignorant non thinking people voted for this incompent fool. Now they are waking up and have buyers remorse. If they are allowed to continue ,the country that was able to put a man on the moon, build the interstate highway system contributed more to the human race and insure the freedom of millions over the past 75 years will cease to exist. Democrats have done more to destroy America and our way of life since 2006 than Hitler and the USSR did in 50 years. I am speaking to the Choir here but every one of us that value our way of life must do everything in our power to change the direction of this country in November when it is our time to speak to the jerks in Washington.

steve4102
09-01-2010, 05:37
People will not sit for 10% unemployement even if the pres is who he is & has the support of the press & his race.

AHHH, good point, but think about it like this. "Unemployment" is at 10% so says the Govt. "Unemployment" figures are based on people that are actually collecting unemployment benefits, not people that are "out of work". People that have exhausted their unemployment benefits are no longer "unemployed" according to the Govt. See were I am going here? Obama and his regime have managed to extend unemployment benefits for up to two years, why two years, why not 3 or 4 or forever? Cuz in a couple years all these "unemployed" workers will start running out of benefits, they will not be going back to work, but they will no longer be "unemployed". Obama and the media can claim success as the unemployment rate has gone down. Americans that are "out of work" will be well above 10%, but "unemployment" will be much less. Right around election time I might add, coincidence? Hell no.


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