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pant3ra
09-19-2010, 18:52
I've heard this through the grapevine, and most likely "internet commandos"

I'm interested to hear if any one has actually experienced or seen any glocks not cycle out 147 grain loads? I've always be intrigued by the 147 gr load, however was turned down by "he said she said" stuff.

Just looking for opinions out of curiosity, I'm perfectly happy with the load I carry now. Might be useful for me down the road.

Dandapani
09-19-2010, 19:06
It runs or has run in all my semi-autos flawlessly.

One exception. G33 with a LW 9mm conversion barrel. Did not work at all. Would create some weird phase 3 jam and lock up solid. I was not happy, so sold the LW conversion barrel and the G33 and bought a G26.

Boxerglocker
09-19-2010, 20:09
No problems in any of my 9mm firearms. The 147g GDHP is my prefered carry load for my G19 and home defense mag for my G34.

JimBianchi
09-19-2010, 20:28
I've run it for years in several guns with no issues, ever.

I was told a long time ago that the original 147 ammo was made to shoot in full auto guns and that many of those would jam. I also was told by the same dude that the 147gr ammo was now only for suppressed guns and not suited for daily carry or SD.

Seems like a pant load to me, I love the stuff and have never had a problem.

CanyonMan
09-19-2010, 20:33
All I shoot out of the 9mm are 147gr loads. I'D say 98% are my own reloads, GS, and XTP's mostly, and the other 2% are factory stuff for testing. I have never one time had any malfunction with 147gr ammo. I carry EDC a M1911 45acp, but when I do carry the 9mm G19, it has 147gr'ers in it. I've not had failures with any other weight either, but I choose the 147gr (mostly XTP) because in all my testing and the test of some very good friends as well, I found it (the 147gr) gives me the penetration I desire, and as I said it functions as flawless as anything else does.

In case your interested in brands. The test I/we have run have shown XTP's as really top notch. The WW work fantastic as well, as do the bonded 147gr bullets. Gold Dot and Ranger T and the WW PDX1 were really fantastic as well. All these were getting 14"/16" minimum penetration up to 32" + (depending on bullet/media) overall in a bunch of different media tested in. Wet Pack type media and plain water media most all opened up (at least good enough to please me). Through other media such as wood and bone and wall board, and water "together" still the GD and the GS had slight deformation more than the others named here, but all of them hit hard and had fantastic penetration, "and this was the main concern".

Bottom line. Don't listen to the myth that 147gr 9mil ammo does not cycle well, or does not get the job done. Perhaps there are a few Factory offerings (we did not test) that may be lousy performers, but in the ones listed here, I was very pleased with the performance in the media's used and the flawless cycling. These test were all done through Glock 17 and Glock 19, and there was test run through a 1911 in 38 super using the 147gr as well. And they ran flawless in this gun and performed well in the media as was expected.

A closing note: Even the WWB of which I have fired tons of (I've lost track how many. ha), has never malfunctioned and got the deepest penetration of all the rest named in this post. That was from the 'factory' offering, but they do just as well when tailored through reloading. The bottom line carry load for me (when this caliber does see carry) is the 147gr XTP "handloaded," and the 147gr WWPDX1 or Ranger bonded in factory offering.

If you want penetration, you'll like the 147gr in the 9mil.

Hope something here helps ya. I am a minority with this load, so don't expect folks to come out of the cracks of the walls on CC with their love for the 147gr 9mil. haha. To each his own. ;)


Good shooting





CanyonMan

The Retired Sarge
09-19-2010, 22:42
What the others have said. I shoot a lot of 147gr 9mm out of Glocks, SIGs, and HKs with no problems what so ever. Bill

cowboy1964
09-19-2010, 23:22
I believe hickok45 shoots nothing but 147gr.

bentbiker
09-19-2010, 23:35
UMC Leadless is my favorite FMJ practice round, and HST HP's for HD. Never had a single failure with either.

CitizenOfDreams
09-19-2010, 23:38
I'm interested to hear if any one has actually experienced or seen any glocks not cycle out 147 grain loads?

I just made my first batch of 147gr rounds, using powder charges ranging from 3.8gr to 5.6gr Unique. All of them perfectly cycled my G19.

triggerjerk
09-20-2010, 07:32
The only problems I've had with 147 gr were some ftf with the XM HST loads surplus ammo sold about a year ago. These were the grey/navy boxes. The regular HSTs, GDs, and Rangers in 147 have worked 100%in my G19.

BleedNOrange
09-20-2010, 09:29
It runs or has run in all my semi-autos flawlessly.

One exception. G33 with a LW 9mm conversion barrel. Did not work at all. Would create some weird phase 3 jam and lock up solid. I was not happy, so sold the LW conversion barrel and the G33 and bought a G26.
Did you replace the extractor as well?

freakshow10mm
09-20-2010, 09:48
I like the 147gr load in 9mm for carry. I handload the 147gr Gold Dot to about 1,000 fps and call it good. That's about what the Speer load is so I just do it for cheaper. I've also had fun loading the 147gr XTP to an honest 1200fps under SAAMI max pressure.

The 124gr bullets I use for practice since they are $10/K cheaper than the 147gr, but I load them to match the point of impact/point of aim with the 147gr carry load.

sciolist
09-20-2010, 13:54
No problems here. I use 115 for range and 147 for carry, so have only shot enough 147 to feel OK about myself and the guns in terms of carry ammo. Probably a total of 200 rounds out of 19 and 26, but no problems at all.

pant3ra
09-20-2010, 17:28
Kool, thanks for the feedback. I've always been curious on the myth since it's only been a couple years now that I've been introduced to handguns.

Snowman92D
09-20-2010, 18:28
I've heard this through the grapevine, and most likely "internet commandos".

I suspect you're right.

The only problem with 147's cycling that I was ever able to confirm was several years back with Chicago PD. For a brief period they experienced an issue with 147-grain jhp Gold Dots...but it was only in the compact and sub-compact service pistols of the day. The problem involved mostly Smith & Wesson handguns. At the time, CPD specifically prohibited Glocks because they were striker-fired.

CCI/Speer addressed the problem and it was resolved in future lots of ammo. Chicago PD eventually crawled out from under the yoke of the 147-grain loads and now issues 124-grain +P Gold Dots.

Other agencies, like Cincinnati PD and St. Louis PD, who issued WWB generic 147-grain 9mm jhp's had no problems with cycling in compact and sub-compact service pistols, including the same series of S&W's that Chicago PD used during that time frame.

Some of the guys here had trouble getting early S&W M&P 9mm compacts to cycle 147-grain HST loads, but eventually that was attributed to a specific lot of ammo. Like CCI/Speer, Federal Cartridge had to work the bugs out of their product. 147-grain bullets are long-bodied, and I suspect that a person wouldn't go wrong by running a few rounds from each new lot through any sub-compact defensive handguns before loading them up for carry. That's good advice for any carry ammo.

Jav21
09-20-2010, 20:40
I was too lazy to find the exact info but I think the 147 HP gets its extra mass from being a longer bullet which is closer to a FMJ profile than a 124 or 115 HP so it should be more reliable? I don't know for sure.

Example of FMJ and 147 HP:
http://forum.pafoa.org/pistols-41/69887-my-taurus-24-7-a.html

CanyonMan
09-20-2010, 21:18
Since its pic time, and I love threads with pics...


L to R : 147gr WWB. 127gr Ranger +P+. 125gr Gold Dot +P. 124gr GS +P and last, 147gr XTP.

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab256/yrag5951/GT%20stuff/0611001439.jpg


Same order as above pic. different view

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab256/yrag5951/GT%20stuff/0611001438a.jpg



For your viewing pleasure, or not ! :supergrin:

The 147gr GD (not shown) The WWB 147gr and the 147gr XTP did the best in all the test run, (and the 147gr PDX1 in about that order)

The WWB 147gr got the deepest penetration in all media, then the 147gr XTP (hand loaded), then the 147gr PDX1, then the 147gr GD, (about neck and neck.)

Again, works for me, and I love 'em. (just not as much as the 45 though) Sssshhh ! Don't feel like havin a tag team match on this tonight ! :tongueout:


Becareful out there amigos !





CanyonMan

pant3ra
09-20-2010, 21:22
Thanks Canyonman!

And we all know if this was a .45, you only would have to nick them in the pinky finger and it will blow their whole arm off while doing multiple backflips. Ask any .45 zealot :rofl::rofl::rofl:

But if you think that's bad, you should see how 10mm works in a glock....

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/paxton243/howaglockworks.gif

CitizenOfDreams
09-20-2010, 21:49
I was too lazy to find the exact info but I think the 147 HP gets its extra mass from being a longer bullet which is closer to a FMJ profile than a 124 or 115 HP so it should be more reliable?
Don't know about other brands, but 147gr and 124gr Speer Gold Dots appear to have the same shape except for the base of the bullet.

In other words, if you seat 124gr and 147gr to the same OAL, the rounds will look identical on the outside (and presumably feed the same).

CanyonMan
09-20-2010, 22:42
Thanks Canyonman!

And we all know if this was a .45, you only would have to nick them in the pinky finger and it will blow their whole arm off while doing multiple backflips. Ask any .45 zealot :rofl::rofl::rofl:

But if you think that's bad, you should see how 10mm works in a glock....http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/paxton243/howaglockworks.gif


Well, everyone on here that knows me, knows my EDC is a M1911 45acp, so I do know your right! Since I am one of those sold out old timer zealots! haha. In fact, I like it cause whenever I just point it at a BG he falls apart like Mr potato head. Parts dropping every where ! :rofl: Saves ammo ! haha.

As for the 10mm, I loves my two G20's and my nuclear handloads. Working on some right now in fact to use in a new LW barrel I just got. Dang I like 'em all but gotta love a Mr Potato head gun that makes real big holes amigo ! ;) haha.


Stay safe man.



CanyonMan

Glolt20-91
09-21-2010, 00:07
I like the 147gr load in 9mm for carry. I handload the 147gr Gold Dot to about 1,000 fps and call it good. That's about what the Speer load is so I just do it for cheaper. I've also had fun loading the 147gr XTP to an honest 1200fps under SAAMI max pressure.

The 124gr bullets I use for practice since they are $10/K cheaper than the 147gr, but I load them to match the point of impact/point of aim with the 147gr carry load.

Yeah, 147grs at 1200fps is explosive upon impact. That velocity impact will overlap some of the lighter DT 10mm ammo. Mid 1100s is very achievable with 3N38 powder and Federal primers, which can add about 20fps to 30fps over Win and CCI small pistol primers . . . kind of a Vihtavuori thing.

Never any problems with 147s out of a G17 or both of my .38Supers.

For those who like to do water bottle or bag testing, this 147gr Win JHP notched at 1155fps from a G17 penetrated a 1/10" hard steel barrier, blew up a couple of 1 gallon jugs and exited #4 bottle, bullet not recovered;

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/At%20the%20range/G17147grWin2-06-2007013.jpg

When the norm is for 3 bottle penetration, I figured 4 bottles behind a steel barrier would be enough to capture and examine the bullet; I underestimated what the 9mm/147gr Win JHP traditional design could do. No fragments or jacket separation was found in any of the bottles.

This 147gr Win JHP is one of the most destructive bullets I've tested so far, mid 1200s from a .38Super;

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/At%20the%20range/Barriertesting10mm38super45acp017.jpg

Same 1/10" steel barrier as above, but there was enough radial water pressure in #1 bottle to blow out this hole in 1/2" pressed wood. A total of steel barrier plus 5 one-gallon bottles were penetrated, bullet not recovered.

Both the XTP (0.575" exp) and Gold Dot (0.579" exp) gave very nice water expansion/penetration performance including busting through cow ribs;

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/At%20the%20range/147GD_579-XTP_575_38Superlight016.jpg

In a different test, after penetrating through a redwood 4"x4 and steel washing machine lid, this 147gr Gold Dot left a 1" hole on the backside of a bleached out range cow rib;

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/At%20the%20range/Furniture147GD-4x4-lid-rib016.jpg

4" of wood didn't plug this GD, it riveted upon itself while expanding w/i the 4x4.

I wasn't much of a 9mm fan; however, after testing a number of 9mm bullet weights, I strongly lead toward the 147gr JHPs as a carry weight. Handloading the shallow cavity 125gr Gold Dot ~1300fps has numerous advantages over the 124gr GD; it holds up in the near .357SIG velocity range plus it won't clog up in leather, thinsulate and down etc.

I prefer the 147gr over the other weights because I know it will penetrate to the vitals, even through light barriers.

Bob :cowboy: