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jhands
09-25-2010, 13:28
I just recently picked up a holster worn G30 for dirt cheap with only 400 rounds down the pipe. Also came with a comptac holster! Only thing wrong with this thing is cosmetics. The slide could use refinishing but because it is going to be my new carry pistol I won't bother, at least for now. This is my first .45 and I took it to the range. Wow, I can't believe how noticably less recoil there is in comparison to my G27. This easily became my go to carry pistol. Now my questions:

What are some of the good options for self defense loads? What weight? I typically carry the heaviest bullet possible in all of my pistols.

Thanks for input.

James

1 old 0311
09-25-2010, 14:39
What is reliable, and shoots to point of aim, in YOUR weapon?

JBP55
09-25-2010, 14:44
HST, Ranger T, Gold Dot, PDX1 in 230gr. Shoot what works well in your gun.

AZBru88
09-25-2010, 14:44
James heres a few proven loads, depends on what you like and want;
http://www.policehq.com/ProductList.aspx?CategoryName=FEDERAL-AMMO&FilterValues=3ba183ed-9478-45b0-b59c-fb4db91c9fa3~a1074ee5-081e-4520-a05e-10dccb75950c~ (http://www.policehq.com/ProductList.aspx?CategoryName=FEDERAL-AMMO&FilterValues=3ba183ed-9478-45b0-b59c-fb4db91c9fa3%7Ea1074ee5-081e-4520-a05e-10dccb75950c%7E)

I just did a 250 round order from Swamp Fox (http://www.swampfoxgunworks.com/swampfox/home.php?cat=327) 10mm, they do carry 185 JHP Hornady in 45 acp.

There's corbon, double tap, lots of makers of ammo. All in what you want...the Swamp Fox is 1175 fps/ 565 fp

RDW
09-25-2010, 14:55
I use 200gr Golt Dots in the 30 & 230gr in the 21.

cowboy1964
09-25-2010, 16:29
Gold Dots. They're proven, bonded, priced right, and relatively easy to find.

jhands
09-25-2010, 16:30
Thanks for the replies. Anyone have any experience with the short barrel .45 gold dots?

MTS532
09-25-2010, 17:33
What are some of the good options for self defense loads? What weight? I typically carry the heaviest bullet possible in all of my pistols.


Pick whatever works best in your weapon.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

mastrbloata
09-25-2010, 17:57
Thanks for the replies. Anyone have any experience with the short barrel .45 gold dots?

Last test I saw on it was 14" 4 layer denim and .73 expansion from a 30.

jhands
09-25-2010, 18:26
Last test I saw on it was 14" 4 layer denim and .73 expansion from a 30.
That's not too shabby...I am looking at many of these loads and noticing the wide variance in numbers in their muzzle vel and energy ratings. Should this be taken into consideration, or is it all relevant?

Also, why is there such a lack of replies on Hornady? I use TAP in my G27, and don't think I'd ever use anything else in that particular weapon.

cole
09-25-2010, 22:43
Gold Dots. They're proven, bonded, priced right, and relatively easy to find.

This. Or, 230gr in anything reputable I can find at the lowest price.

jbh2000
09-25-2010, 23:06
I strongly suspect that if it'll fire out of my 30, and I can hit the BG with it, it'll do him some serious damage.:whistling:

mastrbloata
09-26-2010, 09:38
That's not too shabby...I am looking at many of these loads and noticing the wide variance in numbers in their muzzle vel and energy ratings. Should this be taken into consideration, or is it all relevant?

Also, why is there such a lack of replies on Hornady? I use TAP in my G27, and don't think I'd ever use anything else in that particular weapon.
To parrot a few people here already (namely fredj338), most newer bullets in 230gr. are already designed to open in velocity windows all the way down to 775 fps. or so. (I think I have that right, in .230gr 45acp.) Sorry, don't know anything about Hornaday except that they load a round (XTP) for .45 that seems pretty good in generic, but cool back yard tests on You Tube. "tnoutdoors9" on you tube shoots a standard 230 45 GD out of a 30 into his 4 ply denim, paper soaked jug deal and that thing looked great. If I still lugged around a 30, I'd probably just use the standard 230 GD out of it. On the velocity thing with a 30, it's my understanding that you'll lose 50 or so FPS using a 30 with 230gr. compared to a 5" barrel. Using the lighter stuff like 185gr. can cause losses of 150fps. out of a 30 compared to a 5" barrel. Me? I'd stick with 230 for that G-30.

Keoking
09-26-2010, 10:04
You might be tempted to go with a +P offering. I've tried a huge variety of standard pressure and +P loadings in my G30. In a blind test, I could easily tell the difference between any +P loading and and a standard pressure loading. Since I practice with 230gr loaded to the max, I decided to stay away from +P self defense loads. I knew that I wouldn't practice with them enough to be as proficient as with standard loads. Luckily, in 45acp, there are plenty of standard pressure 230gr loads which are more than adequate to do the job for self defense against human opponents.

FatBoy
09-26-2010, 18:20
I use Ranger 230+p (RA45TP), but I would feel comfortable w/ any 230(regular or +p) from any of the major manufactures. I got a "good" deal on a 500rd cases a while back, so I stocked up.

FB

jhands
09-26-2010, 18:44
Thanks for the input. I am not sure that I would go with a +p load just because of the increase in recoil. Is it significant? I remember it was very significant in my revolver I used to carry +p in, and due to the cost of ammo now a days, I'd prefer to shoot maybe 40 or 50 of the round I am carrying and then load the mags with the rest. I know some people say the magic number is 100, or 200, but I have always shot about 50. Typically I will do a mag of slow, focused fire. Then I will do a mag of double taps. Then a mag of rapid "fight or flight" fire. And then typically I would split the last mag or two between 1 handed strong and weak hand fire.

Ak.Hiker
09-27-2010, 23:12
If you do change your mind on using +P give the Hornady 230 TAP +P a try. They run good in my Glock 36. Not the most popular choice but I am pretty happy with Federal American Eagle 230 grain ball. Good function, recoil control, and plenty of penetration.

g36user
09-28-2010, 20:41
I like the Remington 230g Golden Saber and also the Hornady 200g +p TAP.

And of course you already know that the best defensive ammo is anything that hits the vitals...so, congrats on your new purchase and shoot, shoot, shoot...the .45 is a great round.

Good luck with your choice.

g

Keoking
09-28-2010, 20:59
Thanks for the input. I am not sure that I would go with a +p load just because of the increase in recoil. Is it significant?

Two handed slow fire, the difference between 185gr +P and 230gr is noticeable, but not severe. 230gr +P is stiff, but still manageable.

Transition to one handed shooting, and for me, both +P offerings had too much extra recoil and muzzle flip, making follow-up shots more difficult.

If I had worries about the effectiveness of 230gr standard pressure loads, I would have to carry and train harder with the +P loads. As 230gr standard pressure loads are effective, the performance bonus of the +P loads isn't enough to warrant the extra +P trigger time I would need to remain proficient with my SD loads.

cowboy1964
09-28-2010, 23:25
I can tell a difference between 200gr +P Gold Dots and 230gr Gold Dots. The 200 +P kicks noticeably more. Still not bad but overall it's hard to beat the ol' 230gr. The 200 +P gives you 170 more fps, which is a lot, but the 230 penetrates better in most cases. I used to be hung up on muzzle energy but I've learned that means relatively little. The 200 +P is 467 ft lbs but the 230 is "only" 370.

tx787
09-30-2010, 16:16
The posts on this thread are all very good advice. For me personally I only like 230 grain for 45 becuase that's what all my FMJ practice ammo is and I like the characteristics of that grain anyways.

Winchester Ranger T, Speer Gold Dot and Federal HST are the top dogs in my book. I like standard pressure but do have some +p in my HK45c.

Since you have a Glock you won't have feeding/reliability issues so I'd say get whatever you can get your hands on at a good price in a good quantity. If you can afford to try a few different brands out go for it and see what shoots the best. For some strange reason I can shoot Remington Golden Sabres in 124gr +p out of my Glock 17 better than Gold Dots or HST, so that's what I use despite them being technically inferior.

kshutt
09-30-2010, 21:05
I've test fired Remington Golden Saber 230gr hp's, and also the Speer 230gr Gold Dot hp's. The 230gr Gold Dots are the most accurate in my G30. Give them a try, and I think you'll like them.

HWA GLOCKER
10-01-2010, 00:02
230gr HST's

locosteelersfan
10-01-2010, 18:51
I ordered ranger ra45t here, good company, very fast shipping.
http://www.sgammo.com/product/winchester/50rds-45-acp-auto-winchester-ranger-t-series-230gr-ra45t

DEADEYEGUY
10-01-2010, 21:33
A friend and I tested some Winchester Ranger 230gr. +P ammo. Fired it through a chronograph. The load averaged 970 f.p.s. out of a 5" 1911. The G30 averaged 940 f.p.s. with the same load. You really don't lose much velocity with the polygon rifling. Winchester Rangers (+P or non +P), Federal 230gr. HST's, Gold Dots would all work well. Some go to a lighter bullet for more velocity. The .45 was made for the 230gr. load. Most sights are set for this load. The above loads work well. Why go lighter? If you want a 165gr. souped up load may as well go with a .40. Find what works best in your gun, get a few rounds through to assure reliability, and then forget about the load/caliber equation. Practice hitting and repeating as necessary. We place way to much emphasis of this load or that one.
Most any of the newer loads will performed as advertised. Most are designed to meet the F.B.I. criteria. So they will work through denim, wallboard, or whatever. BTW my G30 is sitting next to me right now. It always goes bang. And the accuracy is nothing short of stellar. It will shoot as well as most of the high priced 1911's. At least at realistic self defense ranges. It's a bit thick. But it's real beauty is in how it works. Enjoy! I'm pretty sure it will become a favorite.

Zombie Steve
10-02-2010, 13:28
Great point about the Glock rifling. I've chrono'ed handloads from a 1911, P220 and G30. The Glock hangs in there with the longer P220 barrel, and really only gives up 25-30fps from the 5" barrel 1911. I used to load a 200 grain XTP for the G30, and still like that load, but for the sake of simplification, I'm sticking with 230 going forward.