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ross2004
10-02-2010, 09:08
I'm looking for cartridge recommendations for a 4" S&W Model 10. Most of what I've been able to find on the subject has involved snub-nose revolvers. It seems like most people are suggesting the "FBI load", a 158 gr. +p LSWCHP, in the longer length barrels. Is this the general consensus?

9mmParabellum
10-02-2010, 09:40
158gr to heavy for 38 for personal protection in shooting not very good results.

Corbon DPX, Speer Gold Dot, if you want it in 50 round boxes www.Doubletapammo.com (http://www.Doubletapammo.com)

Now I hope you are learning how to shoot, or already know how?

Ammo is just one thing you must hit your intented target with every round you fire to neutralize the threat and reduce your liability.

Not hitting the target does not solve your problem and puts innocent people at risk.

Be Safe

ross2004
10-02-2010, 09:42
Now I hope you are learning how to shoot, or already know how?


Not my gun. It's a gun I bought for my dad to give to him this Christmas.

I am always learning how to shoot.

Zombie Steve
10-02-2010, 09:50
When you're basically making a choice of light and not really fast, or heavy and not really fast, I'll lean towards heavy. I like the FBI load. That said, there are much better bullet designs out there now. Again, I'd stick with 158's. Like peas & carrots.

Glolt20-91
10-02-2010, 10:32
This should help, a number of different types of ammo tested heads up;

http://www.brassfetcher.com/38%20Special.html

Bob :cowboy:

fredj338
10-02-2010, 11:40
158gr to heavy for 38 for personal protection in shooting not very good results.
Be Safe
It depends on the bullet. The 158grLSWCHP+P has had a great rep for decades. It works in a snub & even better in a 4" where it will reach over 900fps. That is right where a soft lead HP expands extremely well & being heavy enough & fast enough to drive that 60cal+ bullet through it's target. The light & fast stuff works, but you generally sarcrifice penetration. The other benefit of 158gr+P ammo, it's easily/cheaply reproduced for practice. Are other +P loads "better". maybe, but the "FBI" load has a proven track record.:dunno:

Ajon412
10-02-2010, 12:22
The 158 gr SWCLHP +P is a very good choice........You can also search "Defensive Ammo Comparison" and you get tons of info.....

JohnnyReb
10-02-2010, 12:52
I also suggest the 158gr SWCHP +p

ross2004
10-02-2010, 13:16
I would like to get the Buffalo Bore 158 gr. +p but I think it might be too much for my dad to handle well. Has anyone ever shot it?

cowboywannabe
10-02-2010, 13:19
158gr to heavy for 38 for personal protection in shooting not very good results.
Corbon DPX, Speer Gold Dot, if you want it in 50 round boxes www.Doubletapammo.com (http://www.Doubletapammo.com)

Now I hope you are learning how to shoot, or already know how?

Ammo is just one thing you must hit your intented target with every round you fire to neutralize the threat and reduce your liability.

Not hitting the target does not solve your problem and puts innocent people at risk.

Be Safe

WHAT?!:rofl:

JohnnyReb
10-02-2010, 13:54
WHAT?!:rofl:

Be easy cowboy, he is obviously new. :wavey:

fredj338
10-02-2010, 13:55
I would like to get the Buffalo Bore 158 gr. +p but I think it might be too much for my dad to handle well. Has anyone ever shot it?


It's a good load, pricey, I doubt offers up much more recoil in a 4" gun. I would stick w/ the Win or Rem 158gr+P load, just based on cost. I don't think the add'l 50fps+ really matters that much.

DustyJacket
10-02-2010, 13:59
You can get FBI loads at Brass Pro these days. Not pricey at all.

My revolver is loaded with FBI loads and gold dots in a speed loader.

ross2004
10-02-2010, 14:17
Looks like the Rem. FBI load is a pretty fair deal, ~$30 for 50.

9mmParabellum
10-02-2010, 16:55
WHAT?!:rofl:


please explain what is so funny! There are lots of people who cannot shoot. I don't want the bad guys learning how to shoot but lots of law abiding citizens have guns but can not control them in hostile situations and get good hits on target.

Oh well glad you could have a laugh on me.

cowboywannabe
10-02-2010, 16:59
easy Francis, the laugh was to your 158gr. is too heavy for .38spl defense...but thats o.k., im o.k. with your choice of lesser rounds.

Zombie Steve
10-02-2010, 17:03
please explain what is so funny! There are lots of people who cannot shoot. I don't want the bad guys learning how to shoot but lots of law abiding citizens have guns but can not control them in hostile situations and get good hits on target.

Oh well glad you could have a laugh on me.

Now I think I get it... you're talking about shootability, we were all talking about terminal performance.

Still, I haven't met anybody that had too much trouble with .38 special at all, regardless of bullet weight. :dunno:

NonPCnraRN
10-02-2010, 19:16
I have a round butt Mod 19 with a 4" barrel. I was thinking of loading some Penn 230 gr Thunderheads to about 900 fps for a trail gun. The Mod 10 is the same frame size and could handle the load. The bullets are designed for bowling pin matches where momentum is needed to knock those pins down. The target alloy is about 12 BHN. For those who believe in big and slow with a large meplat these bullets should work well. http://www.pennbullets.com/38/38-caliber.html

ross2004
10-02-2010, 19:35
I was thinking of loading some Penn 230 gr Thunderheads to about 900 fps for a trail gun.

:wow:

That would be a pretty stout .38 SPL load. :50cal:

NonPCnraRN
10-02-2010, 20:42
:wow:

That would be a pretty stout .38 SPL load. :50cal:
Yeah, but not as bad as a 158 gr 357 mag. The bullet is designed with 2 crimp grooves for either 38 spl or 357 brass so the M10 being a K frame should handle this round. 900 fps is the max the bullet can be pushed being target alloy. If you look at the pic of bullet from the link you'll see that a cylinder full viewed by a BG would get his attention. In CA there are more dangers along the trail from 2 legged varmints vs 4 legged varmints, but the occassional cougar or black bear is a possibility.

MURRAY
10-02-2010, 21:05
that 158 load is not a bad load at all and if all else fails I still have no issue with the 148 wadcutter. I know others will not like this but the first key is hitting the target. I would go DPX Speer Gold dot short barrel or the 158 if nothing else the 148

carbofan21
10-02-2010, 21:38
remington or winchester 158 gr +p lswchp. both come in 50-round boxes for around $30.

you can also try the 135 gr +p speer gold dot short barrel load, also available in 50-round boxes for around $25. great performance in snub nose revolvers, and will be even better from a 4 inch barrel.

NonPCnraRN
10-02-2010, 22:31
that 158 load is not a bad load at all and if all else fails I still have no issue with the 148 wadcutter. I know others will not like this but the first key is hitting the target. I would go DPX Speer Gold dot short barrel or the 158 if nothing else the 148

Penn double ended bevel based wadcutters can be pushed faster than the old swaged 148 gr hollowbased wadcutter design as the bullet won't separate leaving the hollow base as a lead ring in the barrel. The full wadcutter has a larger meplat than the semiwadcutter leaving a bigger wound. If you use the HP semiwadcutter you have to push it fast enough for it to expand. I wonder if they still make those old Speer half jacket bullets that used pure lead for the HP. That soft lead expanded well.

Ak.Hiker
10-03-2010, 00:02
In a 4 inch 38 Special I would load up with the 158 grain LSWCHP +P FBI load. I just picked up a box of Federal's for $19.00. For a trail load DT loads a 158 grain Keith +P hard cast. Old school and they still work.

bear62
10-03-2010, 16:25
I'm looking for cartridge recommendations for a 4" S&W Model 10. Most of what I've been able to find on the subject has involved snub-nose revolvers. It seems like most people are suggesting the "FBI load", a 158 gr. +p LSWCHP, in the longer length barrels. Is this the general consensus?

I have a strategically placed Model 10 heavy barrel in the house loaded the with the "FBI load." For me it's a good choice....:wavey:

Berto
10-03-2010, 18:43
It's a good load, pricey, I doubt offers up much more recoil in a 4" gun. I would stick w/ the Win or Rem 158gr+P load, just based on cost. I don't think the add'l 50fps+ really matters that much.

It's actually about an additional 200fps, but there's nothing wrong with 950ish from the Rem load either. The BB +P load does about 1150 in a 4" gun.

ross2004
10-03-2010, 19:11
It's actually about an additional 200fps, but there's nothing wrong with 950ish from the Rem load either. The BB +P load does about 1150 in a 4" gun.

Can you comment on the recoil compared to the Rem. load?

Ajon412
10-03-2010, 20:25
Penn double ended bevel based wadcutters can be pushed faster than the old swaged 148 gr hollowbased wadcutter design as the bullet won't separate leaving the hollow base as a lead ring in the barrel. The full wadcutter has a larger meplat than the semiwadcutter leaving a bigger wound. If you use the HP semiwadcutter you have to push it fast enough for it to expand. I wonder if they still make those old Speer half jacket bullets that used pure lead for the HP. That soft lead expanded well.


Is this what you're referring to?

http://shop.reedsammo.com/product.sc?productId=1795&categoryId=37

NonPCnraRN
10-03-2010, 21:12
Is this what you're referring to?

http://shop.reedsammo.com/product.sc?productId=1795&categoryId=37

No, but those certainly look interesting. I have 3 Ruger Birds Head Vaqueros with 3.75 inch barrels. If you aren't familiar with that gun think of a round butt cowboy style belly gun. Those are the original Vaqueros which can be loaded heavier than you will want to hold onto and the gun will take it in stride. I like the looks of those 260 gr manstoppers for them. Loading a single action is slow so I figured the fastest reload would be to just pull another gun. :supergrin: The mag capacity of even the smaller 10mm Glock does have its merits when it comes to delivering a lot of firepower.

Bill Keith
10-03-2010, 21:36
I have shot my model 10 extensively, and recently bought a niced used model 64 - its stainless steel analog. Both have 4" barrels. I can tell you from experience and research that S&W designed and regulated the fixed sights of the model 10/64 to use 158 grain ammo. The guns will shoot to point of aim to 25+ yards with 158 grain ammo. I also have liked the FBI load, but if your Dad is not an avid shooter, let me make a humble suggestion. The Hornady personal defense ammo in 38 special non+P would be a good round. It will have less recoil than a +P load, the powder they use has less muzzle flash, and the polymer insert in the hollow point will reliably expand through heavy clothing.
Come next gift giving occasion, get Dad a Crimson Trace set of handgrips. The model 10 has a square frame and these are the least expensive of the Crimson Trace laser grips at about $200. This set up is a great home defense rig. I have my new model 64 so equipped.

Eagle22
10-04-2010, 08:46
We use Federal Premium 129g HS +P in wife's S&W .38 chief Special.

Shoots well and easy to get.

Agent6-3/8
10-04-2010, 09:07
Any one seen any tests on Winchester's 130g +p PDX 1 .38 loads? I'm currently packing 125g Gold Dots that I've had for years and I really need to replace them. Unfortunately, the trustly old FBI load is rarer than frog hair around here.

Berto
10-04-2010, 15:06
Can you comment on the recoil compared to the Rem. load?

In a lightweight snubby, the difference is substantial, in the K framed 4" revolver
the difference is still there, but it's doesn't feel like .357mag, even though the performance is about even with mild .357.
A little more snap than push.

PATRICE
10-04-2010, 18:41
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Glockbuster
10-04-2010, 22:22
Being a 4 inch revolver, I chalk up my vote for the 158 gr. +P LSWCHP load. A different story for a snubbie.

RON in PA
10-05-2010, 01:38
To keep with the original intent of this thread I'd also suggest the Remington FBI load.

Let me add one thought about the shoot-ability of K frame Smiths such as the models 10, 64, 15 and 67. Even though they are not the most powerful of handguns they can be uncomfortable to shoot with poor grips. I advise the use of rubber grips such as Uncle Mike's or Pachmyer as they make the shooting experience much more enjoyable especially for us old farts who have developed arthritis in the hands.

mikegun
10-09-2010, 23:36
Dpx,by corbon