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speicher
10-02-2010, 11:42
Do they use the Hornady XTP bullet? cant find anything stating what type of bullet they use, I am looking at their 10mm 180gr. JHP and .357 Sig 125gr. JHP

G21FAN
10-02-2010, 12:57
I believe they are gold dots.

speicher
10-02-2010, 13:01
I believe they are gold dots.

Well, I took the plunge and ordered 100 rounds, based on what I have read from people that have purchased them, I should be satisfied with them.

ross2004
10-02-2010, 13:27
My 9mm's are Gold Dots, FWIW.

NonPCnraRN
10-02-2010, 17:09
On the BB website the closeup of the box of the Heavy 10mm shows 180 gr Gold Dot. The closeup of the the Heavy Low Flash 357 Sig shows a 125 gr 6 point hollowpoint but no box. Maybe the 6 pt HP will identify the bullet make for you.

speicher
10-05-2010, 08:50
I have been told that their 10mm JHP ammo is loaded with Montana Gold...are all the negative comments I have ran across regarding the Montana Gold completely true?? OK stuff ot no good?

dkf
10-05-2010, 09:25
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Patrick Murphy
10-05-2010, 17:33
The 147 gr. 9MMs that arrived today are Gold Dots.

357sigRog
10-06-2010, 00:31
Buffalo Bore 10mm 180gr is Montana Gold. The BB 10mm 220gr hardcast round is a very good hunting round. The 357sig used to be gold dots but now I think they are Sierra (I think). The BB 357sig 125gr bullets that were gold dots were the hottest 357sig bullets I have ever shot, in my opinion.

PghJim
10-08-2010, 14:53
Do not get me wrong in that I carry BB 357 Sig which also goes 1,500fps out of a 4.5" barrel. But the ones I have are the Speer bullet made for 357 sig. I recently order a couple of boxes and they have a bonded bullet, may even be GD, but they are not the same. I am not saying they are bad, but they are not what is shown on the website.

jjmoberg
10-09-2010, 15:11
Well I hope you guys are wrong about the .357 sig. I contacted BB 3 months ago and was told they were using Gold Dot 9 mm bullets in the .357 sig round. I hope that is still the case, since I need some more. I sent them another e mail.

dkf
10-09-2010, 16:02
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Brigrat
10-09-2010, 16:23
I bought 3 boxes of BB 180gr. 10mm Gold Dots from Cabelas and all three boxes were loaded with Montana Gold instead...I have learned my lesson...if you don't believe me I can post pictures...

NonPCnraRN
10-09-2010, 16:54
I bought 3 boxes of BB 180gr. 10mm Gold Dots from Cabelas and all three boxes were loaded with Montana Gold instead...I have learned my lesson...if you don't believe me I can post pictures...

IIRC that charge was also made against DT using MG instead of GDs. Maybe GDs are indeed hard to acquire.

jjmoberg
10-10-2010, 18:05
Tim emailed me back and said they have not used anything but Gold Dot in the .357 sig rounds for the last year.

Happy Hunting
10-10-2010, 18:08
I looked at 230 45 acp Corbon's and they were switching to MG too. The guy behind the counter opened all of the boxes trying to sell me some of the SGD's but he had already run through all of them.

PghJim
10-10-2010, 19:26
Well I hope you guys are wrong about the .357 sig. I contacted BB 3 months ago and was told they were using Gold Dot 9 mm bullets in the .357 sig round. I hope that is still the case, since I need some more. I sent them another e mail.

I believe they are 9mm Gold Dots, but not the 125 grain ones Speer designed for the 357 sig. I pulled 4 bullets from one of the boxes I just bought and they adveraged 124 grains. I have the difference in front of me. Boxes purchased two years ago have the proper 357 sig GD. Keep in mind that I am not saying the 9mm bullet that Tim is currently loading in 357 sig is not a good SD round and they have fantastic velocities. I was just pointing out the difference.

PghJim
10-10-2010, 19:38
I looked at 230 45 acp Corbon's and they were switching to MG too. The guy behind the counter opened all of the boxes trying to sell me some of the SGD's but he had already run through all of them.


First I got a different bullet than the 115 gr Seirra's that CobBon used to load in the 357 sig. They do not perform as well. Now I just received 3 boxes of the 380 90gr JHP, and they are not the same Seirra bullets. They would not expand going through only one layer of cloth into water jugs. I will just keep the box and half of the old ones I have let in my KelTec 3AT when I carry it.

I think Mike at DT has been using premium bullets from Seirra, Nosler, Barnes and Reminton since Speer will no longer sell him GD's. I think he tried some Montana Gold's, but quickly changed.

It just makes me mad that Speer will not load their own ammunition to proper velocties and they will not sell the bullets to those who will. I still will not buy a Speer factory 125 GD 357 sig round that only goes 1,375 fps, so I do not think that BB, DT or Georgia Arms were really competing with them.

BOGE
10-10-2010, 20:29
...I still will not buy a Speer factory 125 GD 357 sig round that only goes 1,375 fps, so I do not think that BB, DT or Georgia Arms were really competing with them.


Why do you think 1,375 fps is not enough?

PghJim
10-10-2010, 21:05
Why do you think 1,375 fps is not enough?

That is a relative question. Evidently since the major law enforcement agencies and departments use it, it must work. However, based on my experience with it over the past 10 years, it is more effective at 1,450 fps. I have found at the higher velocity, clothing has less of an effect. The bullet expands more, and more often, with about the same or less penetration. I would not feel defenseless with the factory round, but I have loaded thousands of GD 357 sig ammo and shot a lot of things. Almost all bullets are more effective at higher velocities. The same 9mm 124 GD is better in +p, and I think better at +p+. Unlike other calibers, there is virtually no penalty to the shooter for the higher velocities in the 357 sig.

When I talked to Speer ammo, they told me that they load to the lowest acceptable pressure and the lowest velocity that they believe would be effective and will best function in all guns. He agreed that 75 fps more would be more effective in hunting or self defense, but felt that risks, legal and otherwise, would not justify the higher pressure loading.

dkf
10-11-2010, 08:01
I believe they are 9mm Gold Dots, but not the 125 grain ones Speer designed for the 357 sig. I pulled 4 bullets from one of the boxes I just bought and they adveraged 124 grains. I have the difference in front of me. Boxes purchased two years ago have the proper 357 sig GD. Keep in mind that I am not saying the 9mm bullet that Tim is currently loading in 357 sig is not a good SD round and they have fantastic velocities. I was just pointing out the difference.

That makes sense. I appreciate the info. I wasn't trying to call you lier or anything, just curious.

Did you ever do any backyard water jug testing with the new vs old BB sig loads?

Glockbuster
10-11-2010, 09:22
yeah I agree with the above. 1450 fps sounds great for the 125 GD. Little question too that the bullet would function better. I wish they made such a load, a 357 sig +P if you will.

freakshow10mm
10-12-2010, 00:10
When I talked to Speer ammo, they told me that they load to the lowest acceptable pressure and the lowest velocity that they believe would be effective and will best function in all guns. He agreed that 75 fps more would be more effective in hunting or self defense, but felt that risks, legal and otherwise, would not justify the higher pressure loading.
Wouldn't you think the company that actually designed the bullet, made the bullet and tested the bullet at a variety of velocities knows what they are talking about?

And if DT can't buy Speer Gold Dot bullets factory direct there are plenty of distributors that will deal with OEM manufacturers like DT. They deal with my company and it's tiny compared to even DT.

Slug71
10-12-2010, 19:49
Is Buffalo Bore .40S&W ammo ok to use in newer Glocks now? Their website discourages use in Glocks due to chamber support but have been told that Glock has made at least a couple of changes to their chambers?