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havensal
10-11-2010, 09:17
My wife is looking to take up deer hunting. :supergrin:
She spent the weekend the .222. She likes it a lot.
She took a few shots with my .300 Sav. but didn't like the recoil.
The rifle she was shooting (old savage 340, I think) is a little long and heavy for her, so I need to get something that fits better.
I don't like the idea of a .222 for deer. I want her to use something a little bigger.
I think a .243 would have about the same recoil as my .300 Sav.
I am kinda at a loss where to go from here. I have a couple of options.
I was thinking about a lever action in either .357 or .44. That should have enough to take down a deer with room to spare.
I also thought about a youth model with a sissy pad.
I showed her the H&R Superlight Handi-rifle, but she doesn't like the breakdown action much.
I just want to get her something that is big enough for deer but she will like and enjoy shooting.

Any suggestions? :dunno:

Natty
10-11-2010, 10:30
The .243 in an autoloader like the BAR will have minimal recoil.

Many ammo companies now make reduced recoil loads for different deer rounds.

A PAST or other recoil pad may also help reduce recoil for her.

grecco
10-11-2010, 10:32
243 or 7mm-08 are mild calibers.

smoke
10-11-2010, 14:52
Most anything adequate for deer is going to have recoil equal to or greater than the .300 Savage. .243, 7mm-08, 30-30, etc. If you're on the cheap, I'd say go with a .44 Mag lever gun. Otherwise, I'd say get her an AR in 6.8.

Esox357
10-11-2010, 15:14
The rifle needs weight and the loads need to be reduced. Remington offers reduced recoil loads for most calibers. Check your local laws and see if a 223 is legal? If not my recommendation would be the 243 or 25.06. You can always get a recoil reducer placed the in the stock and barrel can be ported but will increase noise. A good aftermarket recoil pad and keep in mind while hunting she will most likely be wearing a heavy coat which will cut down on the recoil plus with a deer in sight she won't realize the recoil. On the bench you can buy a pad or place a towel between her and the gun when shooting off the bench. Lastly a lever action in a pistol caliber like the 45 colt would be ideal as well. Esox357.

dbarry
10-11-2010, 16:19
Since you are looking at lever actions, 30-30 has probably taken more deer than any other cartridge and the recoil is mild. Loaded down w/ trail boss and it probably kicks the same as my 223. 243 is excellent choice too.

rhino673
10-11-2010, 16:30
I've always thought the 243 didn't have a lot of kick.

pennlineman
10-11-2010, 17:29
Try the Marlin 336 in .30-30. My Uncle killed piles of dear with one here in SW Pa. Low recoil, good penetration, something to keep in mind for a new hunter. Nothing exciting about it, it just works.

K.Kiser
10-11-2010, 18:20
Pick a suitable caliber out of respect for the animal, and let her get used to it - simple as that... I would have to be beaten with a cane to accept a .22 centerfire as a RELIABLE deer round especially in the hands of a new shooter instead of a seasoned pro's ability to poise, point, and pop... A 30-30 with a decent recoil is a pleasant shooting arm, and something like a .243 or 6mm Rem with a nice recoil pad isn't obtrusive at all unless it just plays with her mind... My Great aunt who is 5' 0" and 95 lbs. in her youngers years hunted for decades with whatever My great uncle wasn't using on a given day, and this ranged anywhwere from a .243 to a .300 H&H magnum and this was in the days of crappy recoil pads... She wasn't overly tough physically speaking, but She didn't let it get into her head... An animal doesn't deserve a substandard caliber in the hands of an inexperienced shooter, and I think She will easily acclimate to a suitable cartridge with some more exposure to it ... If She picks a small gun with a cute little kick, it will lose it's luster when She eventually see's what suffering it can cause... Just a little more recoil tolerance, and She'll be much happier will some clean kills under her belt...

Jdog
10-12-2010, 10:47
I've killed many deer with my winchester 30-30 also. It does kick because of it's weight. I think the .243 in a bolt action would be less scary for her.

TACC GLOCK
10-12-2010, 10:56
I agree with the calibers/guns mentioned below. I own a 7mm-08, great little gun, I also own a 300 Savage, more kick and very heavy gun, I also own a 30-30 and especially with a good recoil butt pad, this is a great gun and probably the cheapest out of the 3 mentioned.

vafish
10-12-2010, 19:57
Remington makes reduced recoil ammo for the .30-30.

fmfdocglock
10-12-2010, 20:14
.223 qnd .243 are too light for deer, IMO.

The minimum would be a .270.

I like my 30-30 because of the light recoil.

Grinchster
10-12-2010, 20:20
I like the answers given especially having enough respect for the animal to be humane in making a clean quick kill.

What I am about to say will shock most here, but I hunt with a 300 Win Mag. a Browning BAR Safari grade that has a Boss on the end.

Even though it is considered overkill, it is very effective on any game in North America. Also is a very flat shooting gun that is good for hunting bean fields that I feel confident in 400 yard shots, (which I practice to know where my bullet will hit at 400 yards)

The suprising thing is how sweet the gun shoots. And it is all because of the boss system. (Ballistic Optimizing Shooting System)

I let my 14 year old son shoot it and even though he was very timid, the first words out of his moutn was (CAN I SHOOT IT AGAIN)

Even though it is extremely loud, the boss reduces the recoil about 35% which makes it a sweet shooter.

Hope this helps, Grinchster:wow:

mattyk6
10-12-2010, 21:08
A buddy just bought a BAR 270 with a BOSS for his wife, they both love it. It was right around $11-1200 with no scope.

ebm1973
10-13-2010, 17:34
I suggest a 6.5 x 55.

Recoil is very low, and this round is flat shooting with excellent penetration (high sectional density). It's more than adequate for deer and has much killing power for the size.

Here's a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in a 6.5 x 55:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=194623663

Controlled Feed as well! :cool:

Chuck Hawks likes the round:

6.5 Cartridge: http://www.chuckhawks.com/6-5x55.htm
6.5 Rifles: http://www.chuckhawks.com/choosing_6-5mm_rifle.htm
Recoil table: http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm
Sectional Density table: http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_SD_list.htm
Killing Power table: http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_killing_power_list.htm

K.Kiser
10-13-2010, 18:47
I suggest a 6.5 x 55.

Recoil is very low, and this round is flat shooting with excellent penetration (high sectional density). It's more than adequate for deer and has much killing power for the size.

Here's a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight in a 6.5 x 55:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=194623663

Controlled Feed as well! :cool:

Chuck Hawks likes the round:

6.5 Cartridge: http://www.chuckhawks.com/6-5x55.htm
6.5 Rifles: http://www.chuckhawks.com/choosing_6-5mm_rifle.htm
Recoil table: http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm
Sectional Density table: http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_SD_list.htm
Killing Power table: http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_killing_power_list.htm

The six-five Swede is just one of those all-around beauties of the rifle world that proved everything it had to prove and then some before most of our Grandparents were born.. It's case design was way ahead of it's time along with the 7x57 Mauser... My Father built a 6.5 Swede for a customer from a Mauser 98 action in a Sporter style, and we all fell in love with it like a new puppy... That thing would relentlessly punch sub 1/2" groups at 100 yards with only a little reload work and 140 grain true hunting bullets... It stole our hearts, awesome cartridge that should be in the hall of fame... It's mild enough for beginners, but some of the most knowledgeable and experienced rifleman alive still use it...

ebm1973
10-14-2010, 10:09
My Father built a 6.5 Swede for a customer from a Mauser 98 action in a Sporter style, and we all fell in love with it like a new puppy...

K.Kiser, that's a great combination! Check out this 6.5 Swede based on a 1896 Swedish Mauser action. This is pretty high end custom work from Al Biesen (http://www.biesen.com/Swedish%20Mauser.html), so if money were no object...

http://www.biesen.com/IMG_2136.jpg

But to answer the OP...

I'd probably go for the Win 70 in 6.5 x 55 SE, or one of the other rifles in 6.5 Swede that Chuck Hawks cites in the link I posted.

K.Kiser
10-14-2010, 16:46
http://www.biesen.com/IMG_2136.jpg[/IMG]

But to answer the OP...

I'd probably go for the Win 70 in 6.5 x 55 SE, or one of the other rifles in 6.5 Swede that Chuck Hawks cites in the link I posted.

I couldn't argue with that, even if I were in a bad mood...

bigdogmurph
10-14-2010, 17:09
7mm-08, mine loves hornady light magnums. was built by my uncle Tukkie( Truman Wilson) rem.700 action with Hart barrel. with the cheap scope I have on it shoots 1" groups at 100yrds.

noway
10-14-2010, 17:54
I'm shooting 7x57 mauser and 6.5 swede more so nowadays. Either one has more than enough power and the skinny bullets have penetration on par with a 308/30-06 with those heavier bullets ( 130-150).

I would also 2nd a 243win. Greater starter rifle for lope/deer size game. I would be a little hesitate to offer it up for a Elk game animal.

Let's face it, a deer is not that all hard to kill.

K.Kiser
10-14-2010, 18:37
I'm shooting 7x57 mauser and 6.5 swede more so nowadays. Either one has more than enough power and the skinny bullets have penetration on par with a 308/30-06 with those heavier bullets ( 130-150).

I would also 2nd a 243win. Greater starter rifle for lope/deer size game. I would be a little hesitate to offer it up for a Elk game animal.

Let's face it, a deer is not that all hard to kill.


My Dad got My Mother to go deer hunting for the first time when She was 49 years old... She used a custom 24" .243 built on a Mauser 98 action... It was built in the early 60's and We've had it for over 30 years and have only updated the trigger and put a Leupold Vari-X scope on it... It shoots 1/2" @ 100 yd. groups reliably with 90 grain or 95 grain Barnes X Bullets and has a very gentle recoil when loaded a smudge above factory pressure... She killed 4 average sized deer (140-150 ish lbs.) and a 200 lbs. hog with it in 2 seasons... None of the animals made it more than 20 yards from where they were shot, and every shot penetrated fully through with gusto... The nearest was about 60 yards, and the furthest was about 130 yards... My Dad took her to the range for about 3 weeks prior to Her first hunt and got her to burn up about 75-80 reloaded cartridges to get her familiar with the rifle... She was comfortable come game time and made all good lung shots... An accurate .243 with quality hunting bullets and a competent shooter is deadly within it's intended usage...

paynter2
10-14-2010, 20:41
A 30-30 with a decent recoil is a pleasant shooting arm, and something like a .243 or 6mm Rem with a nice recoil pad isn't obtrusive at all unless it just plays with her mind... .

6mm Rem is fading away - too bad. Target shooters and people who understand inherently accurate calibers still like it. It's my favorite deer caliber. I shoot .243 mostly - I've retired all my 6mms. I have one Rem 788 in 6mm that is unfired. But, it's hard to find newer rifles in that caliber.

.243 is a great plenty for deer of any size.

If you're hunting at long range (out west), you might want something with a more significant 'down range message'. But, for most white tail distances, I really like the smaller calibers - 7x57, .243, 250-3000, and my favorite - 6mm Rem.

K.Kiser
10-15-2010, 15:11
The only 6mm Rem. that we've had was a 600 Mohawk that My Dad bought new in about 1975, and it was My second year deer hunting rifle after My 30-30... It was an outta-tha-box 1/2" rifle with factory Federal Premium ammo, but We later used 95 or 100 grain Nosler Partitions handloads and it would lay deer and hogs down in smooth fashion... We ket the rifle in that configuration till about 2001 when My dad modified it to a .350 Rem Mag, and I wish it were still a 6mm and it is a shame that it has lost recognition from the masses... My Father in Law still has a Mohawk 6mm that he's had since new and it hasn't been fired since the late 1980's, and I put My name in the hat as a recipient and Icould guarantee that it would remain well kept and in factory configuration...

mayhem23
11-09-2010, 02:13
Get her a Remington 870 Wingmaster. Purchase a Hasting Slug barrel and a Red Dot scope. She can deer hunt and you can take her bird hunting too. This is the set up I had in Illinois. Works great now that I live in Tennessee.

GeorgiaGlockMan
11-10-2010, 22:22
I just got a Browning Xbolt stalker in .243 for my 115lb, 15 yr old daughter.

The recoil is more than manageable for her.

It has more than enough power to take down any deer in my neck of the woods.

She (you and your wife) will like it.

Good Luck!

ETA: I like this rifle so much and it is so accurate that I might turn it into "my" coyote rifle in 2011.