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Kwesi
10-12-2010, 06:33
I share this in case I'm the first to do this in hopes it will prevent a problem for another newbie. Anyways I was loading up some Power Pistol 9mm last night. Lately I've been noticing that my weight has been changing by up to .2gr instead of .1. Since I'm loading near the max I've been trying to determine why. Even though I'm tapping the sides of the powder hopper and throwing numerous loads if I stop for a minute the weight changes, at least for the first round or two.

Last night I started to get some very light drops (3.9 vs 6.1gr) so I decided to empty the powder & clean when to my surprise I heard what sounded like a large clump of powder. Upon closer inspection it was a 115gr FMJ bullet that was hindering the powder drop!

The night before I was pulling some rounds and apparently did not remove the bullet before the powder went back into the cannister. I purpose to inspect each drop or this could have been a disaster since these loads are for a full auto run.

Colorado4Wheel
10-12-2010, 06:36
Wow, glad you found the problem.Thanks for sharing.

DoctaGlockta
10-12-2010, 07:17
Interesting mystery solved. Congrats.

Boxerglocker
10-12-2010, 08:34
I had this happen to me once but caught it as I was dumping the powder from the pulled bullets back into the hopper. Learning from that experience, now I would rather take a very insignificant loss and throw the powder into the wind than deal with it happening again. I have akro bin marked to be pulled and just set those rounds aside till a couple of dozen pile up, then pull them all at once. Your looking at $0.02 a bullet in tossed out powder and well worth the cost of not having a mishap that could in essence turn into a tragedy if not caught. IE squib then a live round fired behind it in you guns barrel.

fredj338
10-12-2010, 09:42
Yep, that would be a new one, even for htis old timer. The powder settling occurs in any powder measure. If you walk away, even for a few minutes, throw 3-4 dummy charges & the start up again.

argy1182
10-12-2010, 09:50
Thanks for sharing. It's nice to learn things the easy way as opposed to my normal method...

GioaJack
10-12-2010, 09:59
I'm a bit confused... how did that bullet make it past the powder baffle? If it was laying above it there shouldn't have been any effect.


Jack

DoctaGlockta
10-12-2010, 10:56
I'm a bit confused... how did that bullet make it past the powder baffle? If it was laying above it there shouldn't have been any effect.


Jack

It was a BPP bullet (baffle penetrating projectile). I think they are illegal.

GioaJack
10-12-2010, 10:59
It was a BPP bullet (baffle penetrating projectile). I think they are illegal.


You been huffing the nitrous oxide again? :dunno:


Jack

thePirho
10-12-2010, 12:15
You been huffing the nitrous oxide again? :dunno:


Jack

Aren't you supposed to be huffing nitrous oxide after your heart attack?

wongman1
10-12-2010, 13:12
I'm a bit confused... how did that bullet make it past the powder baffle? If it was laying above it there shouldn't have been any effect.


Jack


I guess I should put my baffle in... didnt know what it was until recently. Im assuming the baffle helps consistent throws and keep bullets out. But even after 400 rounds, my LnL is consistantly throwing 4.5g of w231 without the baffle.

wongman1
10-12-2010, 13:27
I ran 25 rounds thru the press before I realized the decapping pin was adjusted incorrectly. A case got crushed on the resize\decap die (user error - didnt seat the case properly). Broke the pin and put a new one in (thank you Hornady for including an extra one and sending a 2 new ones out to me for free today). Anyway, didnt lock the pin down and the next case pushed it up. 25-30 rounds later, Im wondering why the primer flag is not going down and why theres a used primer in a finished round. I also wondered why the press was running so smooth without any lubed cases (I thought the die needed to break in--oh vey!)

So now, Im on Midway looking to spend more money on the Hornady Cam Lock Bullet Puller (die style).... Lesson learned and good reason to buy more reloading stuff...

DoctaGlockta
10-12-2010, 13:47
You been huffing the nitrous oxide again? :dunno:


Jack
No but I'm hopped up on some pharmaceutical grade nitro pills that I traded some old guy in return for a Lee FCD he needed on his new press.

Kwesi
10-12-2010, 15:42
I'm a bit confused... how did that bullet make it past the powder baffle? If it was laying above it there shouldn't have been any effect.
Jack

I didn't notice it while it was in the hopper but my guess is that it didn't make it past but lodged against it enough to prevent the proper movement of the baffle.

I keep going over the 120 rounds already loaded - don't think I missed one of the low drops but I would have wagered a $ to a donut that there wasn't a bullet in my hopper.

Colorado4Wheel
10-12-2010, 16:10
What powder measure?

GioaJack
10-12-2010, 16:48
No but I'm hopped up on some pharmaceutical grade nitro pills that I traded some old guy in return for a Lee FCD he needed on his new press.


Just now got off the phone with the hospital for a pre-procedure interview for tomorrow. The lady asked if I was taking nitro pills. Explained to her that they had just been prescribed yesterday but the doctor warned me that I absolutely couldn't be taking Viagra or Levitra while taking the nitro.

The woman snickered for a minute then asked me... 'should I take it then that you don't plan on using the nitro pills?'

Very perceptive woman indeed. Wonder if she's single?


Jack

shotgunred
10-12-2010, 17:55
It was a BPP bullet (baffle penetrating projectile). I think they are illegal.

What is a powder baffle?

I can't seem to find one on my blue press.

Colorado4Wheel
10-12-2010, 18:19
Basically all it does is let a small amount of powder into a chamber over the powder bar. The chamber always has the same amount of powder in it so it should be more consistent as a result. I found it to make very little difference with my powders. It may have helped with Unique. I only tried my measure with Unique after I installed the baffle. So no before/after testing.

http://www.uniquetek.com/site/696296/product/T1278

http://www.storesonline.com/images/common/imagewrap.img?picture.image.url=http://www.storesonline.com/members/696296/uploaded/baffle3x2@72.gif&output=gif&picture.width.max=200

shotgunred
10-12-2010, 19:27
Sorry I forgot my LNL bashing smiley.

Bob2223
10-12-2010, 20:01
What is a powder baffle?

I can't seem to find one on my blue press.

So I guess that leaves you baffled ? :whistling:


:supergrin:
"Dillon bashing smiley"

Bob

Boxerglocker
10-12-2010, 20:08
Basically all it does is let a small amount of powder into a chamber over the powder bar. The chamber always has the same amount of powder in it so it should be more consistent as a result. I found it to make very little difference with my powders. It may have helped with Unique. I only tried my measure with Unique after I installed the baffle. So no before/after testing.

http://www.uniquetek.com/site/696296/product/T1278

http://www.storesonline.com/images/common/imagewrap.img?picture.image.url=http://www.storesonline.com/members/696296/uploaded/baffle3x2@72.gif&output=gif&picture.width.max=200


OK... I confess.... ordered one of those too :upeyes:

AZson
10-12-2010, 20:11
I almost loaded some 357 sig with magnum primers.

Colorado4Wheel
10-12-2010, 20:24
OK... I confess.... ordered one of those too :upeyes:

Let me guess. You called Lee, he said

"it's not expensive, you might as well get it now rather then order it later and add more shipping cost".

Thats how I end up with one. I do like it. I never wonder if running the powder measure full or closer to empty is going to cause the charge to vary.

GioaJack
10-12-2010, 20:28
Huh... powder measure on the LNL comes with a baffle... nothing extra to buy. :whistling:

(Even the 1050 doesn't come with one... $40 option I guess.)


Jack

Boxerglocker
10-12-2010, 20:33
Let me guess. You called Lee, he said

"it's not expensive, you might as well get it now rather then order it later and add more shipping cost".

Thats how I end up with one. I do like it. I never wonder if running the powder measure full or closer to empty is going to cause the charge to vary.

No was actually reading about it and in theory it makes sense. Talked to a local guy that swears by it with his micrometer dial... said it really makes a difference especially with the powder hopper is less than 1/3. So I thought, Eh $6 I'll give it a shot... can't hurt that I can see... besides i was working OT last weekend... doubletime again this comming Sunday (Not Saturday, monthly IDPA match at the home club) :dunno:

Colorado4Wheel
10-12-2010, 20:35
$7

But it don't do much.

The Dillon has a bridge over the powder bar that kinda acts like a baffle. Like I said it doesn't make a difference from what I can tell with my powders. I do like the Micrometer.

GioaJack
10-12-2010, 20:46
It's not supposed to do MUCH... you're the one that complains about .001 grain variance.

I'm happy if my charges cover the primer and don't overflow the case... anywhere in between is fine with me.


Jack

Kwesi
10-13-2010, 05:30
$7

But it don't do much.

The Dillon has a bridge over the powder bar that kinda acts like a baffle. Like I said it doesn't make a difference from what I can tell with my powders. I do like the Micrometer.

Steve: are you referring to the Micrometer from Uniquetek that offers the baffle you referenced above? How accurate have you found it to be? Will it insure no more than .1 gr up or down? If you give this the thumbs up I'm all in!

Colorado4Wheel
10-13-2010, 06:49
Steve: are you referring to the Micrometer from Uniquetek that offers the baffle you referenced above? How accurate have you found it to be? Will it insure no more than .1 gr up or down? If you give this the thumbs up I'm all in!

I got the Micrometer and the Baffle from Uniquetek at the same time. Before installing the baffle my measure was accurate with all the powders I used (none known for not metering well). So after the baffle they all measred the same (very good). Later I tried Unique and it also measured fine (as long as I didn't bump the measure hard between loads). Apperently thats a improvement. I don't know. Never tried it before the baffle with Unique.

Kwesi
10-13-2010, 06:53
I got the Micrometer and the Baffle from Uniquetek at the same time. Before installing the baffle my measure was accurate with all the powders I used (none known for not metering well). So after the baffle they all measred the same (very good). Later I tried Unique and it also measured fine (as long as I didn't bump the measure hard between loads). Apperently thats a improvement. I don't know. Never tried it before the baffle with Unique.

I'm more interested in your experience with the Micrometer. For the add'l $7 I'll pick up the baffle as well IF the Micrometer is as good as advertised. So it sounds like yo recommend the Micrometer, right?

Colorado4Wheel
10-13-2010, 06:57
I'm more interested in your experience with the Micrometer. For the add'l $7 I'll pick up the baffle as well IF the Micrometer is as good as advertised. So it sounds like yo recommend the Micrometer, right?

Love the micrometer. :rock: :thumbsup:

If it sucked I would let you know.

Kwesi
10-13-2010, 07:41
Love the micrometer. :rock: :thumbsup:

If it sucked I would let you know.

Thanks Steve - ordering today!

Rico567
10-13-2010, 08:42
Basically all it does is let a small amount of powder into a chamber over the powder bar. The chamber always has the same amount of powder in it so it should be more consistent as a result. I found it to make very little difference with my powders. It may have helped with Unique. I only tried my measure with Unique after I installed the baffle. So no before/after testing.

http://www.uniquetek.com/site/696296/product/T1278

http://www.storesonline.com/images/common/imagewrap.img?picture.image.url=http://www.storesonline.com/members/696296/uploaded/baffle3x2@72.gif&output=gif&picture.width.max=200

And if you want to test this out without buying one, it can be fabricated in about 5 minutes with a pop can and a pair of kitchen shears. Did it with my RCBS measure.

Boxerglocker
10-13-2010, 12:24
And if you want to test this out without buying one, it can be fabricated in about 5 minutes with a pop can and a pair of kitchen shears. Did it with my RCBS measure.

You realise it's not the same don't you? The theory is the surface plane has to be the exact same surface, area and angle for co-efficent of drag of the powder on both side to be equal. That is why it is manufactured by cuting in a water jet and press die to form the angle.

Kwesi
10-13-2010, 16:30
You realise it's not the same don't you? The theory is the surface plane has to be the exact same surface, area and angle for co-efficent of drag of the powder on both side to be equal. That is why it is manufactured by cuting in a water jet and press die to form the angle.

Ordered one along with the Micrometer today & sent them my powder bar.

Colorado4Wheel
10-13-2010, 18:13
Curious how you will like them.

Kwesi
10-14-2010, 11:26
Curious how you will like them.

Steve: I'm report back but it will be 10-14 days as I've heading out of town. Being a rookie I didn't realize until the last few days how the amount of powder in the powder tube ( correct name? ) affects the drop weight. For example I'm down to the last of my PP where the tube is 1/3 full.

PCJim
10-14-2010, 13:25
Kwesi, time to either order another keg or find the ol' trickle charger :cool:

Kwesi
10-14-2010, 14:43
Kwesi, time to either order another keg or find the ol' trickle charger :cool:

Hoping my buddy can pick me up 4# at the gun show this weekend.