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shaneroyce
10-14-2010, 15:33
I have always shot +p ammo (Speer Gold Dot, Remington Golden Sabre) for SD in my G19. I do not shoot a lot of it, but enough to make sure it feeds, ejects, etc. properly. I have not shot +p+ ammo out of my G19, but would like to do so (Buffalo Bore in particular). I know it is fine with the Gen 4 pistols and the stiffer guide rod spring, but is it harmless to the pistol to shoot it in a Gen 3 G19 with stock everything. Again, I don't shoot lots of SD rounds out of it, but don't want to shoot something I shouldn't. In fact, I want to be confident that if I wanted to, I could shoot as many SD rounds out of it as I would like without any adverse effects to the pistol. Chime in experts!

BOGE
10-14-2010, 22:37
ALL 9mm Glockas are safe with 9mm +p+ ammo.

Trigger Finger
10-15-2010, 15:58
I tend to agree that any +P+ 9mm ammo is OK in any Glock. However I would still limit my use of +P+ ammo to make sure it feeds and shoots where you point it. Maybe 150 or 200 rounds a year maximum is what I would do.

Glockbuster
10-15-2010, 17:22
Sure!!! why not ??

Ak.Hiker
10-16-2010, 00:48
I would stop at the +P loads myself in a Glock.

Glockbuster
10-16-2010, 07:19
I would stop at the +P loads myself in a Glock.

I can't find a reason to do that. I've fired +P+ with no problems in my 17.

Let's put this in perspective, a regular .40 with an unsupported chamber is more or less 35,000 PSI. A regular 9 mm. is around 36,000, and +P about 37,000 give or take up to 38,500 by SAAMI specs but no big company loads these that I know of. +P+ is not specified by SAAMI, but there is no way it is above the 40,000 PSI that hot 357 sigs are loaded at, also with an unsupported chamber.

It is the same frame for all pistols, and the 9mm has the benefit of thicker metal in the chamber, so I ask--why not +P+ ?

BTW, pressure testing in these pistols goes all the way up to 50,000 PSI I think.

Deputydave
10-16-2010, 07:49
I have always shot +p ammo (Speer Gold Dot, Remington Golden Sabre) for SD in my G19. I do not shoot a lot of it, but enough to make sure it feeds, ejects, etc. properly. I have not shot +p+ ammo out of my G19, but would like to do so (Buffalo Bore in particular). !

I have two questions;

1. What type of bullet does BB use in this +P+?

2. What is the reason for loading it to +P+?

Big Time
10-16-2010, 08:02
The 9mm Glocks were designed for shooting nato 9mm,so yes +p+ is ok for the 9mm glocks.

Trigger Finger
10-16-2010, 12:50
I thought 9mm Nato was basically +P!!!
I have never heard that 9mm Nato is +P+?

I think a Glock can handle +P+ in any caliber on a limited basis, 150 to 200 rounds per year approx. IMO.

Big Time
10-16-2010, 14:26
I think your right Trigger,I agree with trigger.

Deputydave
10-21-2010, 14:25
I have two questions;

1. What type of bullet does BB use in this +P+?

2. What is the reason for loading it to +P+?

I found out that generally speaking, BB (and many others) use the Speer GD bullet. So that answers my first question for the most part.

But my second question remains unanswered. What is the reason for loading it to +P+?

SIGShooter
10-21-2010, 18:33
I found out that generally speaking, BB (and many others) use the Speer GD bullet. So that answers my first question for the most part.

But my second question remains unanswered. What is the reason for loading it to +P+?


Some like speed.

Look at some of the other manufacturers out there:

Winchester's Ranger Line: 115+P+ 127+P+
Federal's LE Line: 115+P+ 124+P+
Remington's Line: 115+P+

Light and fast…Heavy and slow. I believe it's a niche that's being filled.

Me, I like medium weight and fast for the 9mm. The 127+P+ Ranger is my pill of choice.

Deputydave
10-22-2010, 08:19
Some like speed.

I can see this, but I'm wondering....why? A Speer GD is designed to function within a velocity window. The 124 for example in standard pressure I believe is 1150fps and the +P 1220fps. The 115 is 1200fps the last time I looked at the ballistics. So what would be the purpose of driving it 200fps faster when it is designed to function at a slower velocity?

SIGShooter
10-22-2010, 13:14
I can see this, but I'm wondering....why? A Speer GD is designed to function within a velocity window. The 124 for example in standard pressure I believe is 1150fps and the +P 1220fps. The 115 is 1200fps the last time I looked at the ballistics. So what would be the purpose of driving it 200fps faster when it is designed to function at a slower velocity?


Couldn't honestly tell you. I do know that Speer breaks their own velocity requirements for the 115 Gr. bullet.

115 Gr. +P+ Speer GDHP: Consistently hit 1305 (Avg.) from my G17. 1275 from my G19.

Speed...

Dreamaster
10-22-2010, 15:24
I can see this, but I'm wondering....why? A Speer GD is designed to function within a velocity window. The 124 for example in standard pressure I believe is 1150fps and the +P 1220fps. The 115 is 1200fps the last time I looked at the ballistics. So what would be the purpose of driving it 200fps faster when it is designed to function at a slower velocity?

The higher the speed the greater the temporary/secondary cavity and the more "rifle like" the wound will be. Gold Dots are tough bullets, the worst that happens when you go over velocity is over-expansion, unless you start getting extreme (like 155 grain 10mm rounds at full power) then the bullet starts to fragment. There again though, this isn't really a problem provided there is sufficient penetration depth.

BIGBEAR92314
03-14-2013, 19:48
Speed test of various 124gr +P and +P+-----
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=ht099vNrH3Q&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dht099vNrH3Q

Tiro Fijo
03-14-2013, 20:56
...no big company loads these that I know of. +P+ is not specified by SAAMI, but there is no way it is above the 40,000 PSI that hot 357 sigs are loaded at, also with an unsupported chamber...


The Speer 9mm 115 gr. GD +p+ has a sticker on each box warning of MAXIMUM AVERAGE pressures of 40,000 CUP:

http://www.kylesgunshop.com/store.php/pd2314910/speer_gold_dot_9mm_115gr_p_le_53612_50_rounds#images

JohnnyReb
03-14-2013, 21:25
Many LE agencies issued +p+ rounds for many years without problems. Its ok in most modern duty firearms.

257 roberts
03-14-2013, 22:23
the old ( but very good ) Federal BPLE is a 115gr +P+ round

SCmasterblaster
03-16-2013, 14:03
Some like speed.

Look at some of the other manufacturers out there:

Winchester's Ranger Line: 115+P+ 127+P+
Federal's LE Line: 115+P+ 124+P+
Remington's Line: 115+P+

Light and fast…Heavy and slow. I believe it's a niche that's being filled.

Me, I like medium weight and fast for the 9mm. The 127+P+ Ranger is my pill of choice.

My G17 is currently loaded with Win 9mm 115gr JHP +p+.

unit1069
03-16-2013, 17:53
the old ( but very good ) Federal BPLE is a 115gr +P+ round

Glad I bought some while they were available at $16/box of 50. Not my current 9mm carry round but at times it is and I don't lose any sleep over it.

WinterWizard
03-16-2013, 18:19
I thought 9mm Nato was basically +P!!!
I have never heard that 9mm Nato is +P+?

That is a common misconception. 9mm NATO falls about halfway between standard pressure and +P.

SCmasterblaster
03-18-2013, 18:15
That is a common misconception. 9mm NATO falls about halfway between standard pressure and +P.

So it is +p just a little.

Hugo R
03-19-2013, 15:39
Many LE agencies issued +p+ rounds for many years without problems. Its ok in most modern duty firearms.

It didn't really work for us. Early to mid 90's. We had at least two shootings during which the Federal 127+P+JHP's went right through the BG's and didn't stop their threats.

Also, while the guns (Glocks and SIG's mostly) chambers did not experience any problems there were plenty of other problems such as broken take down levers, split rails and broken springs.

Glad I bought some while they were available at $16/box of 50. Not my current 9mm carry round but at times it is and I don't lose any sleep over it.

:rofl: I was at the LGS last Wednesday and they had Speer GDHP 124gr.+P for sale...$46.95 a box of 50.:faint:

HR:cool:

ULVER
03-19-2013, 17:14
Years ago, when I visited Glock HQ's here in Ga., they were shooting hot Hirtenberger ammunition.

I was told the Glock 17 was engineered, to handle NATO pressures and then some.

I was told Mr. Glock himself, wasn't happy with then then, "all-the-rage" 147gr. 9mm's. Not hot enough to his liking, and at the time, about the only thing that they had seen stop a Glock from running 100%.

Dekalb Co., Ga. PD, went from S&W .45 Colt revolvers, with 225gr. LHP's, to Beretta 92's, with Federal 115gr. +P+ (9bple) hollowpoints.

In their shootings, they weren't too pleased with the bigbore's terminal performance. I guess they thought the big .45 would hurl the bad guys seven-feet, or spin them into the ground like a corkscrew. You know... like on Gunsmoke!:supergrin:

FYI-Dekalb kept that gun and load for well-over two decades. The street results were amazingly good; far better than the .45 Colt. Also, after all the use of the +P+ ammunition, I never heard of a prob with the 92's.

And I certainly believe a Glock 9mm, is as strong or stronger than a Beretta. :wavey:

BIGBEAR92314
03-19-2013, 19:27
Picked up 100 9mm rounds of Buffalo Bore 124gr +p+
Going to give it a try.

Tiro Fijo
03-19-2013, 22:02
It didn't really work for us. Early to mid 90's. We had at least two shootings during which the Federal 127+P+JHP's went right through the BG's and didn't stop their threats...


Win. makes 127 gr. +p+. Fed. makes a 124 gr. +p+ Hydra Shok that is next to worthless and barely breaks 1,100 fps if that. I'd wager it was the latter as the former has an excellent Street Cred.

unit1069
03-19-2013, 22:10
:rofl: I was at the LGS last Wednesday and they had Speer GDHP 124gr.+P for sale...$46.95 a box of 50.:faint:

HR:cool:

In the current ammo drought I'm actually surprised the gun shop was selling a 50-round box of GDHP at that price. I read that premium ammo prices are outrageous on Gunbroker, but for those who are desperate they're willing to pay through the nose.

Clusterfrack
03-19-2013, 22:18
Win. makes 127 gr. +p+. Fed. makes a 124 gr. +p+ Hydra Shok that is next to worthless and barely breaks 1,100 fps if that. I'd wager it was the latter as the former has an excellent Street Cred.

Check out the discussion on another thread:
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1477472&page=2

Tiro Fijo
03-19-2013, 23:48
Check out the discussion on another thread:
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1477472&page=2


Sorry, I don't take CCW advice from the dentist from AR15.com. All he does is shoot gel and I can get that from here:

http://le.atk.com/resources/videos.aspx

SCmasterblaster
03-20-2013, 07:08
At a gun show in Concord NH a year and a half ago I got a 50rd box of 9BPLE for $20.00.

Clusterfrack
03-20-2013, 09:17
Sorry, I don't take CCW advice from the dentist from AR15.com. All he does is shoot gel and I can get that from here:

http://le.atk.com/resources/videos.aspx

I don't recommend dismissing expert advice (http://www.m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=91) on something as important as this, but that's your call... Here are DocGKR's credentials:
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Roberts.pdf

Tiro Fijo
03-20-2013, 11:10
I don't recommend dismissing expert advice (http://www.m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=91) on something as important as this, but that's your call... Here are DocGKR's credentials:
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Roberts.pdf


You're late to the Ball, Sweetheart. He's a dentist and a shill for Fackler. This has been discussed here a million times. :wavey:

Search function is your friend.

Clusterfrack
03-20-2013, 11:14
You're late to the Ball, Sweetheart. He's a dentist and a shill for Fackler. This has been discussed here a million times. :wavey:

Search function is your friend.

Just trying to be helpful. You might want to use search to check on your info as well.

SCmasterblaster
03-20-2013, 12:34
At a gun show in Concord NH a year and a half ago I got a 50rd box of 9BPLE for $20.00.

This year the price will likely be $50!