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tcglenn63
10-17-2010, 15:34
I took my G26 out this morning and put a box of cheap Walmart federal 115 gr. FMJ. through it.
Had nothing but problems, rounds kept nose-diving into the feed ramp.
Never had this problem with Winchester white box.
No problems with the ammo in my first gen 17 or second gen 19, so I'm hoping it's just too underpowered for the g26 recoil spring.
Anyone have any thoughts???

BIG-DOG
10-17-2010, 15:41
I have shot about 800 rds of the cheap federal with no problems. I did shoot a box of Winchester Nato that I had on hand first before I went down and bought the Federal at Wally World. If yours is brand new you might want to try something a little more powerful first, though I don't think I would have had any problem with the Federal from the start.

VAisForGlockers
10-17-2010, 15:43
Federal is all I run through all my Glocks and I have never had a problem, 17, 19 or 26. My G26's run fine on them, both my older one and my new OD one, which I just ran 150 round through without an issue

bbvk05
10-17-2010, 15:43
Generally this is going to be a magazine issue. Try to isolate the magazine it is happening in.

den888
10-17-2010, 15:46
Try a different magazine. I use Federal in my G26 with no issues at all.

B_RAD
10-17-2010, 15:55
I've shot about 200 rnds of the Federal ($10.46) from Wally World with no problems out of my G26.

tcglenn63
10-17-2010, 16:13
I had tried four different mags, all with the same result. Thats why I had assumed it was an ammo problem, as I had never shot it in the G26 before.
The mags were the two that came with the 26, and a G17, and G19 mag.
Never had a problem with any Glock until today.
I'm not gonna carry it now until I find out the cause.

Dingus
10-17-2010, 16:19
Federal Champion 115-gr FMJ is the lowest powered ammo presently available. The advertised muzzle velocity is only 1,125fps whereas Winchester USA is 1,180fps. I suggest your problem is an ammo issue.

deeHKman
10-17-2010, 16:26
Federal Champion 115-gr FMJ is the lowest powered ammo presently available. The advertised muzzle velocity is only 1,125fps whereas Winchester USA is 1,180fps. I suggest your problem is an ammo issue.

Dingus, WWB is weak so if this ammo is even weaker i wonder if it would cycle thru any of my 9mm's..i will never know because i want buy any....
Hope the OP gets his issue resolved soon....thanks Dingus, David

Entreri
10-17-2010, 16:36
I've never ever had an issue with any of my Glocks regarding ammo. My 26 will shoot light loads, hot loads, hell.....I think it would eat square bullets if that's what I decided to feed it.

Hope you get the issues resolved.

elde
10-17-2010, 17:02
Federal Champion 115-gr FMJ is the lowest powered ammo presently available. The advertised muzzle velocity is only 1,125fps whereas Winchester USA is 1,180fps. I suggest your problem is an ammo issue.

He's right......you're using just about the lowest power 9mm ammuntion availiable. Go buy pretty much anything else and you should have much better rsults.

MonsterB
10-17-2010, 17:27
My g26 ate endless amounts of that amo and never had a single failure...no matter what I put in it, WWB, cheap Federal, Fiocchi regular and +p+, russian crap, speer gold dots, on and on. I dont think the problem is the amo. And thats about 8k rounds worth of all that stuff. Something else besides amo is wrong.

MonsterB
10-17-2010, 17:29
Is this a new gun to you, second hand, or is it brand new? My guess would be mag springs, but its odd that it would happen with multiple mags at once. More info about the gun may help people diagnose the problem.:cool:

Sonnytoo
10-17-2010, 17:35
This is DannyR's list of ammo. The Fed stuff is the lowest-powered you can find. Get hotter ammo. JR on this forum says to use 124gr or 147gr for flawless 9mm operation.
Sonnytoo

9mm FMJ Ballistics

Brand Weight Velocity Power Factor
Fiocchi 124 1250 155.00
Fiocchi 147 1050 154.35
Fiocchi 158 940 148.52
Am Eagle 147 1000 147.00
Win RA9124N NATO 124 1185 146.94
RWS Sport FMJ 124 1181 146.44
S&B 124 1181 146.44
Rem. Express 147 990 145.53
UMC 147 990 145.53
Lawman 147 985 144.80
Prvi Partizan 147 984 144.65
S&B 115 1250 143.75
Fiocchi 115 1250 143.75
Am Eagle 124 1150 142.60
Glock Minimum* 124 1148 142.35
Win USA 124 1140 141.36
Blazer 147 950 139.65
Lawman 115 1200 138.00
PMC Bronze 124 1110 137.64
Win USA 115 1190 136.85
Rem. Express 124 1100 136.40
UMC 124 1100 136.40
Am Eagle 115 1180 135.70
Glock Minimum* 115 1180 135.70
Blazer 124 1090 135.16
Blazer Brass 124 1090 135.16
Lawman 124 1090 135.16
Cor-Bon match 147 900 132.30
My Reloads 147 900 132.30
PMC Bronze 115 1150 132.25
Prvi Partizan 115 1148 132.02
Blazer 115 1145 131.68
Blazer Brass 115 1145 131.68
Rem. Express 115 1135 130.53
UMC 115 1135 130.53
Federal Champ 115 1125 129.38

*From the 2000 Glock Armorer's manual

#5xbr
10-17-2010, 17:48
my stock 34 has cycled many hundreds of rounds of this ammo. no probs

Mitchell4198
10-17-2010, 18:13
Several thousand rounds of the Federal 115 gr thru my G26 with no problems. Also thousands of others including WWB, Blazer Brass, Remington UMC and S & B.

I have only had one jam with my G26 and this was with Monarch Brass 115 gr. This jammed once in both my G26 and my Kahr PM9.

cmcinc
10-17-2010, 19:46
A few thousand rounds of it with no problems with my Glocks.

Anthony '00 WS6
10-17-2010, 22:14
Shot a few hundred of this through my new 26 haven't had a problem yet

zigzagg321
10-17-2010, 22:31
This is DannyR's list of ammo. The Fed stuff is the lowest-powered you can find. Get hotter ammo. JR on this forum says to use 124gr or 147gr for flawless 9mm operation.


Its good info, but meaningless since my G26 has shot 2000 rounds of the walmart federal 115gr and so has many many many other people's G26's. Not to mention all the other Glock models that shoot that same ammo fine.
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There is FAR too much blame on ammo on this forum... Could we call this DannyR Koolaid?

Im not saying its never the wrong ammo... but when one man's G26 wont feed Federal 115gr, over and over again and 1000 other men's G26s will all day from now until infinity... well, guess what.. Its not the ammo.

I see far too many people come on here with real Glock GUN issues and they are immediately dismissed for using the "wrong" ammo.

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to the OP, your mags could be to blame, try switching them or putting new springs in them if they are old.

glock031
10-18-2010, 05:00
Its good info, but meaningless since my G26 has shot 2000 rounds of the walmart federal 115gr and so has many many many other people's G26's. Not to mention all the other Glock models that shoot that same ammo fine.
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There is FAR too much blame on ammo on this forum... Could we call this DannyR Koolaid?

Im not saying its never the wrong ammo... but when one man's G26 wont feed Federal 115gr, over and over again and 1000 other men's G26s will all day from now until infinity... well, guess what.. Its not the ammo.

I see far too many people come on here with real Glock GUN issues and they are immediately dismissed for using the "wrong" ammo.

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to the OP, your mags could be to blame, try switching them or putting new springs in them if they are old.


Come on now you haven't been brainwashed yet by those who push things like WWB USA 115gr, 45gap and gen4 9mm's like they have some kind of stock in them.

Fact-The first four complaints about gen4 9mm malfunctions on this site said they were using WWB USA 115gr ammo. These threads had little to no replies. Finally someone has a gen4 9mm malfunction using fed 115gr and thread goes 15 pages. Of course fed champ 115gr was the blame.

FWIW I have not had any issues using fed 115 at all. I prefer it over wwb and rem umc. It's much cleaner with better quality control IMO.

FiremanMike
10-18-2010, 05:08
Change the title and story to say these issues occurred in a gen4 gun and alll they will come out of the woodwork to proclaim what a piece of crap the gen4 is.... :whistling:

sciolist
10-18-2010, 08:56
No problems with Champion 115 in 26 here either. Have also shot a good deal of it out of my 19 with no problems.

hatidua
10-18-2010, 09:01
I've had two G26's and have not found a brand of ammo that won't run flawlessly through it and I shoot the cheapest stuff I can find most of the time.

redbaron007
10-18-2010, 09:09
I have shot a little over thousand rounds of the Federal 115 purchased at WW through my G26 since the end of July. I did have a box that gave me a few problems; but after getting through that particular box, I have had no issues. You may want to try another box, FWIW.


:wavey:


red

beforeobamabans
10-18-2010, 13:56
I've had two G26's and have not found a brand of ammo that won't run flawlessly through it and I shoot the cheapest stuff I can find most of the time.

This is the general Glock experience and expectation. So when ANY Glock doesn't do this, it is very discouraging. Of course, any manufactured item can be out of spec, cartridges and yes, even Glock firearms. Troubleshooting the ammo is the easiest thing to do so try different lots of Champ, then try different brands, loading etc. and take notes of any differences. The gun may just loosen up enough to start digesting a wider diet. If nothing changes then you'll have to start troubleshooting the gun.

tcglenn63
10-18-2010, 16:03
Thanks for all the replies gentlemen.
I did not post this too start a battle of any kind. Just Posting what happened to me yesterday morning hoping for some clues.
I've had this G26 for three years now and it has been flawless with anything I fed it prior. (winchester, blazer, remington, even monarch.)
that is why I was so puzzled yesterday.
I am going to go out again next weekend and put different brands through it. I'll see how it reacts and keep you all posted.
Hopefully I just had a bad box and have no further problems.

mboylan
10-18-2010, 20:42
Federal Champion 115-gr FMJ is the lowest powered ammo presently available. The advertised muzzle velocity is only 1,125fps whereas Winchester USA is 1,180fps. I suggest your problem is an ammo issue.

Nose dive on the feed ramp has nothing to do with 55 fps of velocity. It could be magazine related. Something is definitely broken here.

mboylan
10-18-2010, 20:45
He's right......you're using just about the lowest power 9mm ammuntion availiable. Go buy pretty much anything else and you should have much better rsults.

Nose dive on the feed ramp is not underpowered ammo. Usually it's the magazine (Followers or spring). It's not the ammo here. This guy needs to take a look at what's going on and get the gun fixed.

To the OP. Disassemble and clean out your magazines. Check your followers for damage. Replace the mag springs.

tcglenn63
10-19-2010, 19:22
I think I found the problem.
I don't know how it got there, but there is a burr in the feed ramp that is catching the bullet and stopping it from sliding into the chamber.
I did shoot some steel case Monarch ammo in this G26 and it's the only thing I can think of on how it got there.
Won't use that any more!

kda
10-19-2010, 19:45
Great detective work and thanks for getting back to the forum to explain what was actually happening.

sciolist
10-19-2010, 19:48
"Burr" is a bit of an understatement.

How hard is the Glock barrel? Seems a little odd that a steel casing would cause that.

tcglenn63
10-19-2010, 20:02
"Burr" is a bit of an understatement.

How hard is the Glock barrel? Seems a little odd that a steel casing would cause that.


Only thing I can think of.
I doubt it was a brass casing or copper jacket. It was sharp enough to dig into the bullet jacket and stop the slide.
Polished it out and will test this weekend.

Sonnytoo
10-19-2010, 21:07
I have a G26 that shoots anything. Glad you found your problem.
Sonnytoo

CancerFree
10-19-2010, 23:20
I've put 100 rounds of Federal 115g and 400+ rounds of WWB though my 3-month new 26 with only two (2) issues; one was a FTF and the other was what I think is called a "stove-pipe", if I'm correct in my understanding of what a stove-pipe is.

HWA GLOCKER
10-19-2010, 23:30
Ive shot 15,000+ rounds through all of my glocks and never 1 time have i had a malfunction ever, but just last week at the range the guy next to me was shooting a G23 with a LW 9mm barrel and he had a few problems he did not change out the extractor, and yes yes he was shooting walmarts cheap federal 115gr.

tcglenn63
10-20-2010, 15:23
Fixed!!!
Couldn't wait until this weekend.
100 rounds Federal 115 gr. No problems. Ate it up like candy!!!

redbaron007
10-20-2010, 15:53
Fixed!!!
Couldn't wait until this weekend.
100 rounds Federal 115 gr. No problems. Ate it up like candy!!!


Good to hear that was the problem. I have never seen that happen before, doesn't mean it hasn't, just I haven't seen a casing do that.

Anyway, glad you got it resolved...that can be frustrating. :cool:

Good Shooting!


:wavey:


red

captcurly
10-20-2010, 15:58
I have a G 26,G19,G36 and G21SF. I shoot mostly Federal ammo (different grades) and have had no problems. I try to stay away from Wnchester White Box because IMHO it burns too dirty. I have also discovered several high and low primers in WWB. Generally all my Glocks digest anything put into them.