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glock20c10mm
10-18-2010, 12:20
Favorite for plinking?
Favorite for general SD?
Favorite for woods carry?

I like any load for plinking, Double Tap's 135gr Nosler bullet load for general SD, and the same load for woods carry where there aren't bears. Where there are bears I'm undecided, and I'm usually not in bear territory anyway.

BTW, my platform is the G29.


Craig

Angry Fist
10-18-2010, 12:28
I like DT 155gr Barnes TAC-XP solid copper for SD.

Just about anything for plinking.

DT 230gr WFNGC hard cast lead for big critters and bad guys in bulldozers..

fredj338
10-18-2010, 12:43
For SD, nothing wrong w/ the Win 175grSTHP. I handload all my plinking/practice ammo & prefer a 3"-4" 44mag rev for woods carry.

Glolt20-91
10-18-2010, 12:47
I like DT 155gr Barnes TAC-XP solid copper for SD.

Just about anything for plinking.

DT 230gr WFNGC hard cast lead for big critters and bad guys in bulldozers..

The 230gr WFNGC tends to tumble/keyhole when fired from stock Glock barrels.

Bob :cowboy:

Glolt20-91
10-18-2010, 13:16
Favorite for plinking?
Favorite for general SD?
Favorite for woods carry?

I like any load for plinking, Double Tap's 135gr Nosler bullet load for general SD, and the same load for woods carry where there aren't bears. Where there are bears I'm undecided, and I'm usually not in bear territory anyway.

BTW, my platform is the G29.


Craig

Good to see your back.

I like the 155gr XTP and 165gr Golden Saber for general carry at my place; 135gr Noslers would be good for javelina and wild dog packs.

A couple of days ago I came across some lion scat that was filled with coyote hairs, so . . . at that part of the property I prefer the 1911 in .38Super loaded with .357cal 125gr XTPs mid to upper 1400s. I can't match the Super's extremely fast split times with the G20 SF.

You may or may not live in bear country, any irrigated corn fields nearby?

Check with Game & Fish to be certain.

See any of these?

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/Ranch/AZ007.jpg

Some rather large black bears have been killed on I-10 in Cochise County, speaking with an ADOT worker, one weighed in at 370lbs. In addition to everything else we have to be on the lookout for, check for bear sign.

All my mountain (and certain desert hikes), the 4" M29 Mountain has become my choice of carry with heavy hardcast/jacketed hardcast loads. Only need to load to about 1100fps for Sierra 300gr JSPs to bust up local bruins, load is also easy on the hands.

Stay safe!

Bob :cowboy:

Angry Fist
10-18-2010, 13:26
The 230gr WFNGC tends to tumble/keyhole when fired from stock Glock barrels.

Bob :cowboy:
Yeah, I've read a lot about it, but haven't shot through the first box yet. I ordered a 6" LWD for that. It's what I plan to hunt with. The lead does jam in it a lot though. Guaranteed to fire once... :rofl::supergrin:

SDGlock23
10-18-2010, 14:56
I've always like the Hornady XTP lineup. Now I know it's not "full powered", but I love XTPS.

I load 175gr Silvertips over 9.7gr Longshot which averages over 1350 from my G20sf. 9.5gr Longshot w/180's are my main load when using either FMJ or JHP, and typically gives me between 1250-1275 fps average from the G20.

Erich1B
10-18-2010, 17:27
Like others have said, anything for plinking.

For SD, SwampFox Gunworks & Ammo 180gr Speer GDHP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCn4S00ZcDg

Glolt20-91
10-19-2010, 00:59
Yeah, I've read a lot about it, but haven't shot through the first box yet. I ordered a 6" LWD for that. It's what I plan to hunt with. The lead does jam in it a lot though. Guaranteed to fire once... :rofl::supergrin:

I've read that some forum members have had feeding issues with DT's 230gr WFN, guess it either works or doesn't work.

Have you thought about a Lonewolf longslide for the 6" barrel? I have a 6" KKM and have been kickin' the longslide idea around for some time now.

Depending on the powder/bullet weight combination, the 6" tube adds about 90-110fps compared to the 4.6" Lonewolf barrel.

Bob :cowboy:

Angry Fist
10-19-2010, 09:06
Yeah, I want one, but it's off the short list for now. I have to get my G20 back from Robar ya know, get it paid off before I can get more stuff for it. I want more mags, carry ammo, and maybe a 9x25 barrel before I take the plunge. :cool:

glock20c10mm
10-22-2010, 09:54
Good to see your back.
Thanks Bob.
I like the 155gr XTP and 165gr Golden Saber for general carry at my place; 135gr Noslers would be good for javelina and wild dog packs.

A couple of days ago I came across some lion scat that was filled with coyote hairs, so . . . at that part of the property I prefer the 1911 in .38Super loaded with .357cal 125gr XTPs mid to upper 1400s. I can't match the Super's extremely fast split times with the G20 SF.

You may or may not live in bear country, any irrigated corn fields nearby?

Check with Game & Fish to be certain.

See any of these?

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/Ranch/AZ007.jpg

Some rather large black bears have been killed on I-10 in Cochise County, speaking with an ADOT worker, one weighed in at 370lbs. In addition to everything else we have to be on the lookout for, check for bear sign.

All my mountain (and certain desert hikes), the 4" M29 Mountain has become my choice of carry with heavy hardcast/jacketed hardcast loads. Only need to load to about 1100fps for Sierra 300gr JSPs to bust up local bruins, load is also easy on the hands.
Nice post.

Stay safe!

Bob :cowboy:
I'll try.


Good Shooting,
Craig


PS - haven't been around since you loaded up the 155gr XTPs in 10mm (assuming you aren't refering to Hornady's factory load). How do they hold up compared to the 155gr or 165gr Gold Dots? And at what velocity have you pushed them to?

CanyonMan
10-22-2010, 13:58
Favorite for plinking?
Favorite for general SD?
Favorite for woods carry?

I like any load for plinking, Double Tap's 135gr Nosler bullet load for general SD, and the same load for woods carry where there aren't bears. Where there are bears I'm undecided, and I'm usually not in bear territory anyway.

BTW, my platform is the G29.


Craig



Hey man I thought you had dissapeared Craig.


I guess to answer your question:

Plinking: Anthing handy under the loading bench.

SD: Out here on the ranch. 200gr Hard cast 10.5grs BD. Don't really carry it in town, but when it does go, usually in the G20 200gr XTP's 10.2/10.5grs BD.

Woods carry (in "our country here" ) in the saddle bags with extra mags 200gr Hard Cast 10.5grs BD.


Kinda boring I guess, but that's it ! :wavey:


Good to see ya...




CM

nitesite10mm
10-22-2010, 22:03
Georgia Arms G10B 180-gr Gold Dot in my G29 for SD.

Excellent accuracy, and my chrono shows it doing 1175-fps from the short barrel which exceeds the advertised 1150-fps on the package.

The Sd is under 10-fps, too! Great factory ammo that uses Starline brass for my reloads.

Glolt20-91
10-23-2010, 01:06
Thanks Bob.

Nice post.


I'll try.


Good Shooting,
Craig


PS - haven't been around since you loaded up the 155gr XTPs in 10mm (assuming you aren't refering to Hornady's factory load). How do they hold up compared to the 155gr or 165gr Gold Dots? And at what velocity have you pushed them to?

Out of a 4.6" G20 SF with Lonewolf barrel, all three of these bullets blow-up when pushing upper end loads of AA #7 and Longshot.

The 165gr Gold Dot seems to be the least velocity tolerant, but it may work well out of your G29. I tested 3 GDs low 1300s .400 Corbon and all 3 peeled back losing part of the bullet, same shape as the 1500fps CX4-Storm pic.

I wish Speer would make a 10mm design bullet for 10mm velocities, one that could take full-power loads out of a M610. :supergrin:

The best analogy I can give is the 9mm/124gr XTP. Loaded in .38Super/.357SIG/9x23mm this bullet begins to fall apart in the high 1300s to low 1400s, but, all the fast 9s can push this bullet into the upper 1400s or faster.

If I want to run N105 loads upper 1400s in the .38Super (.356cal), I use the .357cal 125gr XTPs that are designed for .357mag velocities. The 125gr XTP is built a lot tougher in order for it perform at faster velocities than the 124gr; it also penetrates deeper.

Same goes for the 10mm using .40S&W bullets, there's a 10mm velocity range that will overpower the .40 design bullets; so, the 10mm gets throttled back, unless one is shooting longer distances.

Bob :cowboy:

Ak.Hiker
10-24-2010, 13:14
Yeah, I've read a lot about it, but haven't shot through the first box yet. I ordered a 6" LWD for that. It's what I plan to hunt with. The lead does jam in it a lot though. Guaranteed to fire once... :rofl::supergrin:

I would not carry the 230 cast if they do not function. The 200 grain cast have run good in my Glock 29. So has the 200 grain XTP as well as any 200 grain FMJ.

Ak.Hiker
10-24-2010, 13:20
1. Plinking 200 grain blazer TMJ. Penetrates good too and very reliable.
2. SD the 180 grain Hornady factory XTP.
3. Woods carry would depend on the season. In the middle of winter the 200 grain Hornady XTP is a good choice for me. The rest of the year I prefer non expanding 200 grain FMJ loads. Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, or CorBon are all good.

TheGrimReaper
10-24-2010, 21:51
I really like me some Double Tap for carrying. 2 and 4 legged critters.

glock20c10mm
11-07-2010, 02:49
Hey man I thought you had dissapeared Craig.


I guess to answer your question:

Plinking: Anthing handy under the loading bench.

SD: Out here on the ranch. 200gr Hard cast 10.5grs BD. Don't really carry it in town, but when it does go, usually in the G20 200gr XTP's 10.2/10.5grs BD.

Woods carry (in "our country here" ) in the saddle bags with extra mags 200gr Hard Cast 10.5grs BD.


Kinda boring I guess, but that's it ! :wavey:


Good to see ya...




CM
Hi CM :wavey: Good to see you too. Hope the ranch isn't beating you up too bad. I know you've taken plenty of licks in the past.

BTW, what platform(s) you packin in 10mm? Don't really figure you for a Glock. Though, wouldn't be too surprised if I'm wrong on that either.


Craig

390ish
11-07-2010, 07:03
Norma 200 grain flat nose full metal jackets

Ak.Hiker
11-07-2010, 07:31
Norma 200 grain flat nose full metal jackets

Are these still being loaded or do you have some put away?

CanyonMan
11-07-2010, 07:41
Hi CM :wavey: Good to see you too. Hope the ranch isn't beating you up too bad. I know you've taken plenty of licks in the past.

BTW, what platform(s) you packin in 10mm? Don't really figure you for a Glock. Though, wouldn't be too surprised if I'm wrong on that either.


Craig


Well I'm still feelin pretty beat up but still up and kickin ! haha.

I'd like to tell you I am using 1911 platform for the 10mm but that just has not worked out for me yet, I am waiting for the right one to come along. So, For now, It is a G20 and a G29. Both are loaded with 10.5grs B.D. with a 200gr cast bullet and shootin real well. Hope to get/find a Delta Elite or this new Vltor Fortis 10mm but have had no luck yet. Still lookin. :wavey:


Stay safe amigo !





CM

glock20c10mm
11-07-2010, 11:39
Well I'm still feelin pretty beat up but still up and kickin ! haha.

I'd like to tell you I am using 1911 platform for the 10mm but that just has not worked out for me yet, I am waiting for the right one to come along. So, For now, It is a G20 and a G29. Both are loaded with 10.5grs B.D. with a 200gr cast bullet and shootin real well. Hope to get/find a Delta Elite or this new Vltor Fortis 10mm but have had no luck yet. Still lookin. :wavey:


Stay safe amigo !





CM
Do your handloaded 10mm 200gr HC loads out penetrate 45 230gr Ball ammo?

As for the Vltor Fortis 10mm, I haven't seen that they ever did go into production yet. Have you heard anything futher on that?


Craig

CanyonMan
11-07-2010, 12:17
Do your handloaded 10mm 200gr HC loads out penetrate 45 230gr Ball ammo?

As for the Vltor Fortis 10mm, I haven't seen that they ever did go into production yet. Have you heard anything futher on that?


Craig



I must admit that with 21bhn 200gr HC in the 10mm G20. Yes, they have more drive than the 230gr HB. Man that made me sweat to say that ! :faint:

But you take a meplat like that of the 200gr 10mm HC and push that thing1300fps, it is going to do some damage. BUT, I still would never give up my hand loaded 230gr XTP's or FMJ flat nose with 7.7grs Blue Dot at 930+ fps for my M1911 SD EDC gun ! :supergrin:

And I will say as I did with a GT'er a minute ago on a post here somewhere. The M1911 with a 255gr HC at 900fps goes end to end through deer at 50yds. Not bad, not bad ! ;)

I like the 10mm, but man, my 44/45 hog legs, and my trusty M1911 45acp I would/could not ever part with for all the 10mm's in the world. The 'former' make bigger holes ! :supergrin:


Craig, as for the Vltor Fortis man I keep getting conflicting reports. One minute I here they are coming out any month now, and then I here there are hold up and red tape of some nature. I have pretty much set my mind to contact these people Monday perhaps and ask what the deal is. If I get a worth while answer, I'll post it here on your thread.


Good Shooting !




CM

glock20c10mm
11-07-2010, 12:55
I must admit that with 21bhn 200gr HC in the 10mm G20. Yes, they have more drive than the 230gr HB. Man that made me sweat to say that ! :faint:

But you take a meplat like that of the 200gr 10mm HC and push that thing1300fps, it is going to do some damage. BUT, I still would never give up my hand loaded 230gr XTP's or FMJ flat nose with 7.7grs Blue Dot at 930+ fps for my M1911 SD EDC gun ! :supergrin:

And I will say as I did with a GT'er a minute ago on a post here somewhere. The M1911 with a 255gr HC at 900fps goes end to end through deer at 50yds. Not bad, not bad ! ;)

I like the 10mm, but man, my 44/45 hog legs, and my trusty M1911 45acp I would/could not ever part with for all the 10mm's in the world. The 'former' make bigger holes ! :supergrin:


Craig, as for the Vltor Fortis man I keep getting conflicting reports. One minute I here they are coming out any month now, and then I here there are hold up and red tape of some nature. I have pretty much set my mind to contact these people Monday perhaps and ask what the deal is. If I get a worth while answer, I'll post it here on your thread.


Good Shooting !




CM
About the Vltor Fortis 10mm, if you do end up with any from the source info, it would be great to know what you find out. It's pretty dang close to the point where I'm starting to think they only brought up the concept for hype for their products with no real intention of ever producing it. Hope I'm wrong.

Aside from that, thanks for the other info. Hope you've got the ranch by the horns!

Craig

CanyonMan
11-07-2010, 13:50
About the Vltor Fortis 10mm, if you do end up with any from the source info, it would be great to know what you find out. It's pretty dang close to the point where I'm starting to think they only brought up the concept for hype for their products with no real intention of ever producing it. Hope I'm wrong.
Aside from that, thanks for the other info. Hope you've got the ranch by the horns!

Craig


I'll let ya know if I have any news... I am VERY inclined to agree with what you said about Vltor Fortis here though !


CM

CanyonMan
11-08-2010, 16:08
Update here just to let those who were interested know:

I called Vltor Fortis co. today and ask when was the gun (10mm) going to be available to the general public? Got the run around. I ask, "6mos " a year' sometime in 2011? They said hoefully ! No further comment.

I said, "you are really building them aren't you"? Yes. I said, "well what is the hold up?" well, contract issues and so forth....

"How much will they cost?" They Did not comment.....

That was all I could pull out of them, I mean all I could get !

So, I guess we will see if this is a gag or if it is real, but we will surely have to do some waiting IMO !


That's it guys !




CM

Ak.Hiker
11-08-2010, 23:17
I bet if you got them to the ranch and introduced them to 44 Magnum the bull they may be more willing to give you some direct answers to your questions.

CanyonMan
11-09-2010, 08:26
I bet your right AK. No one but no one messes with the MAG ! (and lives to tell about it) :rofl: He would be grade A "truth serum." :supergrin:


http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab256/yrag5951/GT%20stuff/IMG_0155.jpg




Stay safe amigo !





CanyonMan

Berto
11-09-2010, 09:08
I run the boring choice; Win 175gr Silvertips.

I can find them locally.
They are still at least sorta real 10mm loads
They will work for anything from 2 legged vermin, Black bear and big Kitties I might encounter MTB'ing in the Cascades.

I use a G20 3rd Gen.

If bigger animals are possibly on the menu, I go up to my 3" 629, 300gr jacketed flat points.

390ish
11-09-2010, 18:25
Are these still being loaded or do you have some put away?

I bought the G29 because I came into some of the Norma ammo. The most accurate ammo I have found are handloads with Blue Dot and the 180 grain Remington Golder Saber.

CanyonMan
11-09-2010, 18:32
I bought the G29 because I came into some of the Norma ammo. The most accurate ammo I have found are handloads with Blue Dot and the 180 grain Remington Golder Saber.


Not to hijack here, but speaking of Norma. Does anyone know where to find new Norma 10mm brass ?



CM

Angry Fist
11-09-2010, 20:44
Just ordered another box of DT 155 TAC-XP.... :supergrin:



http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/copperexpansion.gif

Deep Blue
11-11-2010, 11:03
Just ordered another box of DT 155 TAC-XP.... :supergrin:



http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/copperexpansion.gif


How are you liking the Barnes TAC bullet at 10mm velocities? I've always been curious about the all copper projectiles, I'm just worried the lighter weight might somewhat limit penetration.

bac1023
11-11-2010, 12:18
I like the DT 135gr loads. :)

glock20c10mm
11-13-2010, 12:26
I like the DT 135gr loads. :)
+1 :thumbsup:

The DT 135gr load is what's in my G29. I used to favor the DT 155gr GD load, but they no longer produce it. The 135gr load is now my favorite carry load.

glock20c10mm
11-13-2010, 12:29
Not to hijack here, but speaking of Norma. Does anyone know where to find new Norma 10mm brass ?



CM
Hi CM,

First, thanks for the heads up on the BS run around you got from Vltor Fortis.

As for the 10mm Norma brass, do they even manufacture it anymore? For some reason I didn't think they did.


Craig

CanyonMan
11-13-2010, 14:39
Hi CM,

First, thanks for the heads up on the BS run around you got from Vltor Fortis.

As for the 10mm Norma brass, do they even manufacture it anymore? For some reason I didn't think they did.


Craig



You are welcome amigo! Yeh, what a bunch of Hooey those folks gave me. I did not detail every word said on the post, but it was much like one of Obama's speeches ! haha.

Good question on the Norma brass, and you may be correct. (I'm afraid you aprobably are) :dunno:

I have just not sat down yet and 'searched around' to see what's out there. I hope they do still make it, or at least to find a gold mine of it some way some how. If I come across good news, I'll give ya a PM or something. ;)


Stay Safe !




CM

Angry Fist
11-13-2010, 15:39
How are you liking the Barnes TAC bullet at 10mm velocities? I've always been curious about the all copper projectiles, I'm just worried the lighter weight might somewhat limit penetration.
The few I recovered from water jugs look almost as perfect as the picture. 155 gr copper makes the bullet longer than a lead bullet of the same weight. I guess that contributes to the expansion.

Those 135 gr Noslers are fun to shoot, but I had concerns about fragmentation, which it excels at. Very loud round, though. :alex:

RottnJP
11-13-2010, 17:50
Good info here, thanks...

Do you have any data on the penetration of the 155 gr TAC-XP round? I've always carried 165 gr DT gold dots in my .40's, but now that I have a 10mm I'm not sure whether I want to go the 180-200 grain route or go with something lighter and faster. I do know that the high degree of frag on the 135 makes me nervous. Maybe as a summer round, in town, but that starts getting to be a pretty narrow usage window.

cmspeedy
11-13-2010, 18:49
Starline brass, hornady xtp 180g, 9.3g longshot magnum pistol primer, 1.260 OAL. 1250fps and very accurate. In my backyard experience their isn't much point pushing them any faster. I got fragmentation and alot of lost bullet weight once I got above roughly 1250fps in my backyard testing. I only carry the G20 in the woods though. We don't have bears, just killer deer, hogs and alligators.

Angry Fist
11-13-2010, 18:57
Good info here, thanks...

Do you have any data on the penetration of the 155 gr TAC-XP round? I've always carried 165 gr DT gold dots in my .40's, but now that I have a 10mm I'm not sure whether I want to go the 180-200 grain route or go with something lighter and faster. I do know that the high degree of frag on the 135 makes me nervous. Maybe as a summer round, in town, but that starts getting to be a pretty narrow usage window.
Not yet, and I don't remember what I was shooting through. When Shelly gets back from Robar (hopefully next week) I will do a much more detailed assesment.... :supergrin:

glock20c10mm
11-13-2010, 19:58
You are welcome amigo! Yeh, what a bunch of Hooey those folks gave me. I did not detail every word said on the post, but it was much like one of Obama's speeches ! haha.
Thank God they didn't have a telepromter! :rofl:

Good question on the Norma brass, and you may be correct. (I'm afraid you aprobably are) :dunno:

I have just not sat down yet and 'searched around' to see what's out there. I hope they do still make it, or at least to find a gold mine of it some way some how. If I come across good news, I'll give ya a PM or something. ;)


Stay Safe !
Yea, between searches I've done, along with checking out Norma's website, I'm not seeing it. If you come across it, definately let me know.


Thanks,
Craig



CM[/QUOTE]

agtman
11-13-2010, 20:18
"Favorite 10mm Auto loads?"



Don't be a friggin' woos, ...
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/AgtScully.jpg

... go with "heavy & fast"

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/motivator46fdd30941de0051d087f76546.jpg

:cool:

RottnJP
11-13-2010, 20:37
LOL...

There is something to be said for keeping the weight consistent from plinking to SD to hiking, and just changing the bullet type... At the 200 grain point, you have a lot of options.

CanyonMan
11-14-2010, 04:24
glock20c10mm;16293890][B]Thank God they didn't have a telepromter! :rofl:


Man no kiddin ! :rofl:



Yea, between searches I've done, along with checking out Norma's website, I'm not seeing it. If you come across it, definately let me know.
Thanks,
Craig


PM sent concerning Norma Brass, thanks to AK.Hiker


CM

glock20c10mm
11-14-2010, 18:29
LOL...

There is something to be said for keeping the weight consistent from plinking to SD to hiking, and just changing the bullet type... At the 200 grain point, you have a lot of options.
+1 :thumbsup: Well Said!