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.45 guy
10-20-2010, 10:51
Anyone use these bullets? (Precision Delta) I was wondering about quality and current delivery times. Thanks for the help.

DoctaGlockta
10-20-2010, 11:02
I use their 230 grain FMJ. On my 2nd order of 1000. They work for me. Delivery times have been less that a week and another time 2 weeks.

hounds2
10-20-2010, 11:22
nice bullets...good price...my first order was about 2 weeks....all the rest have been quicker. i think its the best buy in bullets.

MightBite
10-20-2010, 11:29
Have loaded about a 1k of a 2k order. I'm happy with them and the price with shipping for FMJ I don't think can be beat. I have another order on the way.

vtducrider
10-20-2010, 11:33
I've used about 5K of their 230gr FMJ. There were only 2 defective bullets. In both cases, the metal jacket was misaligned. The were very obvious to spot so I didn't have disassemble anything. But 2 out of 5000 ain't bad. I would recommend them.

.45 guy
10-20-2010, 11:55
Cool, Thanks all.

ron59
10-20-2010, 12:13
I actually think the better buy is MONTANA GOLD?

Yes, if you look at the *minimums* (ie, 1000 147gr 9mm bullets), PD looks cheaper. However, MG gives a great discount if you buy 3000 147gr 9mm bullets. Price is the same, if not cheaper. MG gives discount on ALL their bullets if you buy a case.

And MGs quality far exceeds PDs.

I've shot over 20,000 MGs, ordered 3,000 at a time (you don't get much of a discount for over 3,000). I order them on the weekend, and have them by Thurs/Fri that same week EVERY TIME.

fredj338
10-20-2010, 13:15
The PD are fine for plinking/practice ammo. I agree w/ ron59, the MG are better quality, but you have to buy a case for best price & havethem shipped to a business address to avoid shipping cost.

Adam9997
10-20-2010, 13:23
I use their 230 FMJ and 115 FMJ. Good consistency on the chronograph. Decent price and fast shipping. They get my return business.

ron59
10-20-2010, 13:46
The PD are fine for plinking/practice ammo. I agree w/ ron59, the MG are better quality, but you have to buy a case for best price & havethem shipped to a business address to avoid shipping cost.

Fred... while I do have them shipped to where I work... it's only $5.00 more to have them shipped to a residential address? Won't drive the price up that much more.

AJE
10-20-2010, 14:37
I've used the 230gr cast lead bullets in .451 and 180gr FMJ in .40 cal. The quality is excellent and I hope to take advantage of their discount on a 10K order after the first of the year (planning on loading lots of 9 and 10mm next year :supergrin: )

Glock21sf-miami
10-20-2010, 16:07
Montana Gold my friend.... Montana Gold

Boxerglocker
10-20-2010, 16:35
I actually think the better buy is MONTANA GOLD?

Yes, if you look at the *minimums* (ie, 1000 147gr 9mm bullets), PD looks cheaper. However, MG gives a great discount if you buy 3000 147gr 9mm bullets. Price is the same, if not cheaper. MG gives discount on ALL their bullets if you buy a case.

And MGs quality far exceeds PDs.

I've shot over 20,000 MGs, ordered 3,000 at a time (you don't get much of a discount for over 3,000). I order them on the weekend, and have them by Thurs/Fri that same week EVERY TIME.


I used to buy MG exclusively but after my round counts went up found that PD is without question the better value.

9mm MG 147g at case price for 3000 is $103.33 per thousand (home delivery)
9mm PD 147g stock price is $88 a thousand delivered (2K minimum), $2 a K discount if you buy 6K, $4 discount if you buy 10K.

MG bullets are great quality no doubt… but $20+ a K savings going with PD would be $480 a year at 2K a month for me. That’s well over 4K more bullets to shoot. Honestly though MG look the better bullet astheticallly, my guns can't tell the difference on paper with the same load charges.

ColdShot
10-20-2010, 16:47
And MGs quality far exceeds PDs.



Id like to hear more about that....

shotgunred
10-20-2010, 17:20
I bought 2k of 124 grain 9mm and got them in less than a week.

fredj338
10-20-2010, 18:03
Id like to hear more about that....

The MG is more uniform in weight & diameter. Over the same powder charges, the MG always out shoot the PD for me, but we are talking 15yds & beyond. For speed drills out to 15yds, doesn't matter that much IMO. I have a friend that only wants to shoot the MG because of their accuracy, but to 10yds going fast, it's you, not the ammo.:supergrin:

ron59
10-21-2010, 10:30
There have been pictures posted previously of both PD and MG bullets. The PDs look fairly "rough" to me. MGs are the prettiest things you'll ever lay eyes on (bullet wise, that is. ;) ).

DoctaGlockta
10-21-2010, 11:42
There have been pictures posted previously of both PD and MG bullets. The PDs look fairly "rough" to me. MGs are the prettiest things you'll ever lay eyes on (bullet wise, that is. ;) ).Pds are not nearly as shiny as MGs. So I throw them in the tumbler. IMO PDs have been a far better buy in the quantities that I order. I don't shoot competition so the proposed accuracy differences are a non issue to me.

squirreld
10-21-2010, 16:49
Whats the jacket made out of of montana gold's?

njl
10-21-2010, 17:38
It depends on the caliber. MG 230gr .45 bullets are kind of pricey compared to PD or Zero.

MG is the only one of those three companies that does a decent job of packaging their bullets for shipping. With both PD and Zero, because they cut corners on packaging, I've had orders arrive with the boxes torn up and bullets loose in the shipping box. MG's heavy plastic bag inside a box inside a tightly fitting outer box is much harder for the shipping monkeys to damage.

ColdShot
10-21-2010, 18:08
2000 PD arrived today,no issues w packing,,,,,,

njl
10-21-2010, 18:24
2000 PD arrived today,no issues w packing,,,,,,

Let us know how many split jackets you find.

Boxerglocker
10-21-2010, 20:42
Let us know how many split jackets you find.

:dunno: Split jackets??? I've been using PD 124 FMJ for the last two plus years and yet to have a single issue with them... I'm putting together another 10K purchase with a friend... 6K will be mine.
They ship with 1000 bullets in a heavy plastic wall bag within a double wall cardboard box, 2 boxes within a priority mail flat shipping box.

ColdShot
10-22-2010, 04:40
Let us know how many split jackets you find.

One of the things that the internet is great at is readers chewing up and spitting out what the read elsewhere on various forums without any hands on data ...
Meaning second hand info,,,,,,,,,,For instance if a guys Taurus Semi auto gun jams and he posts it in the board somewhere its taken as fact and now Taurus sucks and everyone is an expert and asst forum readers regurgitate that info towards others as fact .....Read every thread with a grain of salt and make your own conclusions I say - funny I bought Taurus and it worked great,go figure. Of course I am not pointing fingers at you,im just sayin bro......

I just started reloading this year ,so I am not an expert however so far 3000+ rounds loaded of PD and I have seen nothing but perfectly good looking hardware that I shoot out of my SIG and GLOCK with absolute spectacular accuracy ....I may give MG a try though,just to compare so I know just for myself because just because you guys all say its the best could mean you all are spitting out to me second hand info
:tongueout:

DoctaGlockta
10-22-2010, 14:00
Let us know how many split jackets you find. FWIW I have not found one in the two orders I've placed so far. Can you show us yours?

njl
10-22-2010, 14:34
One of the things that the internet is great at is readers chewing up and spitting out what the read elsewhere on various forums without any hands on data ...
Meaning second hand info,,,,,,,,,,For instance if a guys Taurus Semi auto gun jams and he posts it in the board somewhere its taken as fact and now Taurus sucks and everyone is an expert and asst forum readers regurgitate that info towards others as fact .....Read every thread with a grain of salt and make your own conclusions I say - funny I bought Taurus and it worked great,go figure. Of course I am not pointing fingers at you,im just sayin bro......


Uh...second hand? I've got around a dozen PD 124gr FMJ bullets in the drawer of my reloading bench that have split jackets. I posted pictures of them here back when I found them.

fredj338
10-22-2010, 14:42
FWIW I have not found one in the two orders I've placed so far. Can you show us yours?
When things were really busy last year, they did have some QC issues; split jackets & undersized bullets did show up now & then.:dunno:

njl
10-22-2010, 14:45
I just went searching and it seems an awful lot like GT must have purged all posts older than the beginning of the year. My post with pictures would have been around May 2009.

PCJim
10-22-2010, 14:55
Looks to me you're loading those 124FMJs upside down :wow:

shotgunred
10-22-2010, 14:59
3750 Montana Gold for $292.00 or 77.87 per k plus shipping.

Precision Delta $74.00 per K plus shipping.

* $2.00 per thousand discount if you order at least 6,000
* $4.00 per thousand discount if you order at least 10,000

I get Rainiers at $67 per K but I have to order 30K.

So my next order is going to be more Precision Delta's.

njl
10-22-2010, 15:01
Looks to me you're loading those 124FMJs upside down :wow:

You think I didn't hear that the first time I posted them? :tongueout:

That was the easiest way to hold several of them still so I could get good pictures of the sides and bottoms of the bullets. Either that, or it's a new product from PD...enclosed base 9mm wad cutters.

njl
10-22-2010, 15:05
3750 Montana Gold for $292.00 or 77.87 per k plus shipping.

Precision Delta $74.00 per K plus shipping.

* $2.00 per thousand discount if you order at least 6,000
* $4.00 per thousand discount if you order at least 10,000

I get Rainiers at $67 per K but I have to order 30K.

So my next order is going to be more Precision Delta's.

Actually, the prices at PD's web site ($74 per 1k 124gr 9mm) include shipping, but you have to buy multiples of 2k bullets per order...so they definitely are cheaper than MG...but for 9mm not by much. .45 230gr the price difference gets much bigger...and MG must really think their ACPs are made of gold.

shotgunred
10-22-2010, 15:36
The copper on the Precision Delta's is not near as nice as the Rainier. It is dull were Rainier are shinny and appears thicker.

I would stick with Rainier but my club isn't doing a group buy now and I need bullets soon. Maybe my casting adventure will work and I won't have to buy any.

shotgunred
10-22-2010, 18:35
Whats the jacket made out of of montana gold's?
Montana Gold Bullet Inc.
e started our company as BDX Mfg. as a small family operation in 1974. At that time, we did custom reloading. We ran that until 1985 when we sold the reloading portion and went into the bullet manufacturing specialty. We specialized in lead swaged bullets and worked on making a full line of small pistol lead bullets. Things changed and we started manufacturing copper jacketed bullets in 1991. We reorganized and renamed the business Montana Gold Bullet Incorporated. The jacketed bullets have been very popular with past and new customers alike. The CMJ (complete metal jacket) is the newest item in the market from our line. We deal mostly on the wholesale level. We do not have a retail store. We do have pickup orders. Call ahead for packaging, etc.
We want to thank all of our customers for their business.

Guntrainer
10-22-2010, 22:55
As a Type VII FFL, firearms and ammunition manufacturer and State Certified Trainer, I cannot tell you how many PD bullets I have loaded, and used personally. Not one issue. I use them exclusively in 9X19, 40, and 45 ACP.

If you want them shiny, tumble them. I just load the devil out of them. My Glocks like them, customers like them.

I just got in a load and already loaded and sold them. The Mail Carrier HATES MY GUTS.:rofl:

Boxerglocker
10-23-2010, 09:33
The copper on the Precision Delta's is not near as nice as the Rainier. It is dull were Rainier are shinny and appears thicker.

I would stick with Rainier but my club isn't doing a group buy now and I need bullets soon. Maybe my casting adventure will work and I won't have to buy any.

Rainers are plated... PD are FMJ... Sorry Mike there aint no way Rainers copper plating is thicker than PD's FMJ... and as stated above they prices above quoted include shipping.

sarge
10-24-2010, 06:48
The only time I tried PD's, I ordered 1K of 40 cal bullets. When I loaded them I ended up with around 860 bullets in the box.

I had feed problems with them in my G35 that I compete with.

I haven't dealt with them since.

njl
10-24-2010, 07:21
The only time I tried PD's, I ordered 1K of 40 cal bullets. When I loaded them I ended up with around 860 bullets in the box.

I had feed problems with them in my G35 that I compete with.

I haven't dealt with them since.

Are you saying they shorted you 140 bullets or you loaded 140 and then gave up on them, leaving a box of 860 bullets you didn't want to use?

Assuming the former, I wonder, when they're packaging the bullets, do they have a machine that counts them or are they packaged by weight? With .40, if they were packaged by weight and they had the scale calibrated for 1000 155gr and you were getting 180gr, that would nearly exactly account for the 140 bullets you didn't get.

Boxerglocker
10-24-2010, 10:58
When things were really busy last year, they did have some QC issues; split jackets & undersized bullets did show up now & then.:dunno:

Fred is right and they always made right if you called. Early last year, I ordered 2K of 147g to try out. They sent 124g by mistake. When I called Patricia was very apologetic and asked what would I like to do? I asked them to just refund me the difference from the 147 to the 124 price with the max discount and if she could just send me some samples of the 147's. They did than and about 5 days later I recieved a about 300-400 sample 147's in a small priority mail box. What more cold I ask for? They were 3-6 months behind in production back then.

sarge
10-27-2010, 08:39
Are you saying they shorted you 140 bullets or you loaded 140 and then gave up on them, leaving a box of 860 bullets you didn't want to use?

Assuming the former, I wonder, whey they're packaging the bullets, do they have a machine that counts them or are they packaged by weight? With .40, if they were packaged by weight and they had the scale calibrated for 1000 155gr and you were getting 180gr, that would nearly exactly account for the 140 bullets you didn't get.

I guess I should have clarified that a little.

I received a box of 1000 bulets, but my Dillon 650 counter showed 860 loaded rounds when I ran out of bullets. I also had a compatible number of primers left over so the conter and primerswere the same.

Sounds logical about the calibration weight. Either way, I went back to MG and haven't looked back.