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ajgranda
10-25-2010, 11:48
Brand New Fusion Firearms Custom Commander BT - Pro-Series ION 1911 Fusion Custom ION Bobtail Commander, 45 acp Elite. (I am the original owner. I am not affiliated with Fusion firearms.)) This 1911 Fusion Commander Elite with Checkered Bobtail, ION BOND DLC Tungsten carbide coated Frame, slide, Barrel and small parts a mix of Ion Bond and SnS Metallic stainless Yukon coat to accent the pistol. This combat/carry ready pistol is dress out with all of the modern features one would want. This is an Exceptional, hand fitted, Carry/Combat 1911 pistol. This is a beautiful professionally built 1911 Commander Size pistol from the Fusion Firearms custom shop,--- In 45acpr with Novak extreme duty, front & rear fiber optic sights. –This pistol is a piece of Mechanical artwork. Excellent Craftsmanship. Barrel Also Flush cut and target crowned. Fitted bushing, link and pin, 45 acp chambering and Steel Small accent parts, Serrated Forged Sure lock slide stop, Steel Checkered Bobtail Mainspring housing, - Custom Fusion trigger group, with Fusion Pro-Series “Carry-Comm” combat hammer, adjustable “K” match trigger LT adj., Fusion sear, disconnector, Titanium Strut. Extended Thumb Safety, Wolff springs, all fitted and tuned to a 3.75 lb clean crisp trigger. Novak Extreme duty adjustable fiber optic combat sights, all Low profile milled, Grips- Ranger checkered, Red satin Cocobolo AAA+ Exhibition grade with Hex head screws and Bushing. Extended combat Mag release- GI Guide rod recoil system With Fusion LOGO End cap- Undercut trigger guard –Beveled mag-well edges,… Finish Frame, Slide, barrel, Barrel bushing and end cap finished in the Premium Ion Bond DLC tungsten carbide finish, Small parts finished in Yukon coat SnS .(1)-45 acp magazine- Made from the best materials and processes available in today’s market. This Pistol is custom built with a superior forged frame and slide and highly tuned for accuracy and reliability. The quality is superior and it shows. Asking $2,195

Good deal? Thanks

Texas Bulldog
10-25-2010, 12:00
Beautiful, but i don't think i could spend that much on a Fusion... and i am an avid fan of Fusion products

Especially one that i didn't spec out myself, unless by some rare chance that it is 100% the way you would of wanted it.

Id love to own it, especially being a bobtail but i think my ceiling would be 1,800 if it truly was as nice as it shows in pics and in the description.

bac1023
10-25-2010, 12:10
http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/800px-Popcorn02.jpg

Texas Bulldog
10-25-2010, 12:13
http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/800px-Popcorn02.jpg


It would be nice if people could have a legit discussion without it turning into a total a bash fest.

Some here hate fusion, some here love fusion. Why does it always have to be a fight?

bac1023
10-25-2010, 12:16
It would be nice if people could have a legit discussion without it turning into a total a bash fest.

Some here hate fusion, some here love fusion. Why does it always have to be a fight?

I never said it was. Mine has been fine.






...for $1200. :whistling:

Texas Bulldog
10-25-2010, 12:23
I never said it was. Mine has been fine.






...for $1200. :whistling:
Mine too.. for $1400 :whistling:

thats why i gave an honest answer that $2200 is too much for me for a fusion. Just like i can't justify the price of the new Dan Wessons, but i love my PM7 and CBOB back when they were at the 1k range.

prices on everything are climbing. sucks :crying:

bac1023
10-25-2010, 12:25
Mine too.. for $1400 :whistling:

thats why i gave an honest answer that $2200 is too much for me for a fusion. Just like i can't justify the price of the new Dan Wessons, but i love my PM7 and CBOB back when they were at the 1k range.

prices on everything are climbing. sucks :crying:

Yeah, prices have gone up across the board, but Fusion and Dan Wesson are now overpriced, in my opinion.

If not overpriced, they certainly aren't the values they once were.

Texas Bulldog
10-25-2010, 12:37
Yeah, prices have gone up across the board, but Fusion and Dan Wesson are now overpriced, in my opinion.

If not overpriced, they certainly aren't the values they once were.

Ain't that the truth!... The DW's especially i guess were just too good to be true.

Im jumping on a couple of Metro Arms American Classic II's in hard chrome while the prices are still low.

bac1023
10-25-2010, 12:40
Ain't that the truth!... The DW's especially i guess were just too good to be true.

Im jumping on a couple of Metro Arms American Classic II's in hard chrome while the prices are still low.

Metro builds a nice 1911. They may be the best Filipino 1911s around, other the STI Spartan, which uses many STI parts.

MD357
10-25-2010, 12:57
No Fusion is worth 2K. Heck I probably wouldn't give you half of that. They are the Taurus of the semi-custom world, lots of fluff and little substance.

drc767
10-25-2010, 13:04
I agree with the above posts. There are many recent horror stories about Fusion pistols lately. There are just too many other quality, proven pistols that can be had at that price point, in my opinion.

bac1023
10-25-2010, 13:05
Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what happened to Fusion's QC. :dunno:

Hokie1911
10-25-2010, 13:10
Why on earth would you spend $2,195 on a Fusion bobtail when you can spend $2,195 on an Ed Brown Kobra Carry? :dunno:

HAIL CAESAR
10-25-2010, 13:13
No Fusion is worth 2K. Heck I probably wouldn't give you half of that. They are the Taurus of the semi-custom world, lots of fluff and little substance.

:rofl: :wavey:

That is funny. True, but funny.

rsxr22
10-25-2010, 13:18
I still like the DW's even for the price considering their the only one's not using MIM, but you guys are right, prices are climbing!!

MD357
10-25-2010, 13:22
Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what happened to Fusion's QC. :dunno:

I dunno if it's their QC but their philosophy. Here's the thing, I'm not worried about something that got by the builder but the fact that people are tearing down their Fusions and they have little fitting on the internals, raises and eyebrow with me. Obviously, their cosmetics (beavertail) need work too, but if I pay $1500 and up on a 1911 there better be better fitting on the internals to say the very least. Couple that with guys that are getting guns that wont chamber factory ammo? Yet they have fired cases in the box? That tells me that significant corners are being cut.

HAIL CAESAR
10-25-2010, 13:52
And with all the issues MD listed above..........you'll be lucky to get the gun like you ordered it.

Sarge43
10-25-2010, 14:00
To the OP, I don't think I'd pay that much for it. I would probably think about it for the $1,600 or thereabouts range, but it would have to be spot on to get that.
For what it's worth, I have two Fusion builds, and both are quite nice and good shooters. The second isn't quite as well built as the first one (done about a year apart), so I'm just a little cautious about new ones. If it floats your boat, then I'd make an offer and see what happens.
Good luck!
Sarge

HAIL CAESAR
10-25-2010, 14:16
Sarge,
Did you ever send yours sent back to get made like you ordered it? And get the fire controls fixed?

bac1023
10-25-2010, 14:47
Why on earth would you spend $2,195 on a Fusion bobtail when you can spend $2,195 on an Ed Brown Kobra Carry? :dunno:

:dunno:

That is nuts.

bac1023
10-25-2010, 14:48
I dunno if it's their QC but their philosophy. Here's the thing, I'm not worried about something that got by the builder but the fact that people are tearing down their Fusions and they have little fitting on the internals, raises and eyebrow with me. Obviously, their cosmetics (beavertail) need work too, but if I pay $1500 and up on a 1911 there better be better fitting on the internals to say the very least. Couple that with guys that are getting guns that wont chamber factory ammo? Yet they have fired cases in the box? That tells me that significant corners are being cut.

That and the fact that Bob won't deal with the problems.

HAIL CAESAR
10-25-2010, 14:54
:dunno:

That is nuts.

With so many guns and 2200 dollar range, knowing what I do now, there is no way GOD's green earth I'd buy Fusion.

knedrgr
10-25-2010, 15:35
I dunno if it's their QC but their philosophy. Here's the thing, I'm not worried about something that got by the builder but the fact that people are tearing down their Fusions and they have little fitting on the internals, raises and eyebrow with me. Obviously, their cosmetics (beavertail) need work too, but if I pay $1500 and up on a 1911 there better be better fitting on the internals to say the very least. Couple that with guys that are getting guns that wont chamber factory ammo? Yet they have fired cases in the box? That tells me that significant corners are being cut.

totally agree with this one.

Obviously, their cosmetics (beavertail) need work too...

Over the weekend's gun show, Quack and I just saw ATI's 1911 officer 3-incher with a better fitting BTGS. And that gun is retailing for $400.

ajgranda
10-25-2010, 17:12
Thanks for your responses. Fusion wasn't on my list of Commander, but I saw this one on gunbroker and it looked interesting. But I also wouldn't spend $2,200 for it. Maybe for $1700 I would think about it. I'm actually leaning towards a GC No Name Commander or EB Carry at this point.

bac1023
10-25-2010, 17:20
Thanks for your responses. Fusion wasn't on my list of Commander, but I saw this one on gunbroker and it looked interesting. But I also wouldn't spend $2,200 for it. Maybe for $1700 I would think about it. I'm actually leaning towards a GC No Name Commander or EB Carry at this point.

That Guncrafter is the way to go.

I'm really liking mine. :)

drc767
10-25-2010, 17:23
That Guncrafter is the way to go.

I'm really liking mine. :)

I agree.....I should have Joe's this week.

thecableguy
10-25-2010, 17:28
Some deals to be had right here in the for sale sub forum here also. A couple of Springfields , Wilsons, and Baers on there right now. Any of those are light years better than some of the stuff that Fusion has been putting out lately.

bac1023
10-25-2010, 19:11
I agree.....I should have Joe's this week.

:banana:

Hokie1911
10-25-2010, 19:14
I agree.....I should have Joe's this week.

Which means Joe should get it in a month or two when your wife is done with it. :thumbsup:

bac1023
10-25-2010, 19:18
Which means Joe should get it in a month or two when your wife is done with it. :thumbsup:

:rofl:

knedrgr
10-25-2010, 19:20
Maybe for $1700 I would think about it.

I wouldn't even go that far. If I had a chance to trade my SA Ultra Compact for a Fusion, I would keep my SA Ultra Compact.

I'm actually leaning towards a GC No Name Commander or EB Carry at this point.

Fondled a GC over the weekend, and it was purdy. It was worth every penny the dealer wanted for it.

bac1023
10-25-2010, 19:29
Fondled a GC over the weekend, and it was purdy. It was worth every penny the dealer wanted for it.

Guncrafter is top notch. :cool:

RonS
10-25-2010, 19:45
I really liked Bob's attitude when he had DW, I wish he could get it together.

HAIL CAESAR
10-25-2010, 19:58
I really liked Bob's attitude when he had DW, I wish he could get it together.

You mean when he was "Excuse of the week Bob"?

bac1023
10-25-2010, 20:16
You mean when he was "Excuse of the week Bob"?

I never dealt with him when he was with DW, but I've heard mixed reviews.

Texas Bulldog
10-26-2010, 05:08
gotta love how it turns personal and into a bash fest.

Some people simply can't grow up. Sad really.

paul45
10-26-2010, 05:26
gotta love how it turns personal and into a bash fest.

Some people simply can't grow up. Sad really.

Sir, could you stop making comments like this? I see no bash fest here. I see comments members posted stemming from personal experience with Serva and Fusion. Perhaps you need to acquaint yourself with those threads?

HAIL CAESAR
10-26-2010, 08:09
I never dealt with him when he was with DW, but I've heard mixed reviews.

Yeap.

MD357
10-26-2010, 10:34
gotta love how it turns personal and into a bash fest.

Some people simply can't grow up. Sad really.

Nothing I said was personal, it's what I've seen locally and through detailed pics online. What I said has nothing to do with whether I like an individual or not, fusion just doesn't do the quality work that you see among it's peers.

HAIL CAESAR
10-26-2010, 11:03
To the OP,

In all seriousness, if you really like that gun watch Gunbroker.

Fusion's pop up there regularly. The "good for you" is that they do not hold resale value at all. You will see LNIB Fusion's for 40 to 45% under their new price. People advertise at a beginning price of over that....but they never sell. So you should be able to buy a 2k+ gun for around 1,200 to 1,400 dollars.

Now the bad. I know of several guys that dumped non-working Fusion's on Broker. (Couple from this site). So beware!!

FLIPPER 348
10-26-2010, 11:36
gotta love how it turns personal and into a bash fest.

Some people simply can't grow up. Sad really.


it obviously would soon enough due to the 3-4 usual suspects

Don't worry though as the GT 1911 forum is just a micro percentage of the 1911 world.

HAIL CAESAR
10-26-2010, 11:47
it obviously would soon enough due to the 3-4 usual suspects

Don't worry though as the GT 1911 forum is just a micro percentage of the 1911 world.

Do you mean the same 10 or 20 "usual suspects".:rofl:

And yes it is small percentage here at GT. But Fusion is not highly thought of in most circles unless it is a Fusion owned forum so they can regulate the speech to there favor.

In my issues I began collecting information on Fusion. "Fusion Horror Stories"
and calling many smiths. The responses I got were;

No comment.

I see a lot of bad ones. I have one on the bench now that is short chambered and the TS is non-functioning. ( I have heard that one A LOT)

There a collection of mediocre parts just dropped together with no real fitting.

Not worth the money at all.

We will not work on them. We have better things to do and work on.:rofl:

They put out expensive sh.. (expletive).

Wouldn't be a bad gun, if they had any clue on how to to put all those parts together.

Get a RIA and get it refinished.:rofl:

A 1911 for a sucker with too much money and not enough sense. ( I felt like a dolt when I heard that one.)

( I got more, but they are all basically the same.)

asiparks
10-26-2010, 13:03
the seller of that Fusion on GB has other, better guns for sale at very reasonable prices. He sold a barely shot, hard chromed VBOB for $1400 last week and he has good "buy now" prices on a Heinie/Night Hawk bobtail and a Nighthawk Talon. So it makes me wonder what he paid for his Fusion. Or that he meant $1295 and not $2195...

Hokie1911
10-26-2010, 13:25
it obviously would soon enough due to the 3-4 usual suspects

Don't worry though as the GT 1911 forum is just a micro percentage of the 1911 world.

Much like the Fusion fanboys, you know, the 3-4 usual suspects.

Don't worry though, they too are just a micro percentage of the 1911 world.

MD357
10-26-2010, 13:29
Don't worry though as the GT 1911 forum is just a micro percentage of the 1911 world.

True. Most other 1911 forum's mods wet the bed at the drop of a hat so here we are. :wavey:

bac1023
10-26-2010, 18:04
it obviously would soon enough due to the 3-4 usual suspects

Don't worry though as the GT 1911 forum is just a micro percentage of the 1911 world.

FLIPPER, do you have to make a horse's ass out of yourself EVERY time you post here? :dunno:

I don't get it. :headscratch:

I also don't understand why you constantly defend the 1911 companies offering the least value for the dollar, as in Taurus and Fusion.

Hokie1911
10-26-2010, 18:08
:homer: DOH!

HAIL CAESAR
10-26-2010, 18:25
:homer: DOH!

:faint:

That was great!:rofl:

Hokie1911
10-26-2010, 18:42
:faint:

That was great!:rofl:

I don't know what you're laughing at Alan...you're "usual suspect" #1. :tongueout:

HAIL CAESAR
10-26-2010, 18:49
I don't know what you're laughing at Alan...you're "usual suspect" #1. :tongueout:

It just that you don't see BAC nailing people everyday. I thought it was hilarious.

38 Super Fan
10-26-2010, 19:07
It just that you don't see BAC nailing people everyday. I thought it was hilarious.
No kidding, that cracked me up.:rofl:

MD357
10-26-2010, 22:59
FLIPPER, do you have to make a horse's ass out of yourself EVERY time you post here? :dunno:

I don't get it. :headscratch:

I also don't understand why you constantly defend the 1911 companies offering the least value for the dollar, as in Taurus and Fusion.

Oh my..... WHO WANT SOME OF DEBO!!!!

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBxMexCVcgXTqCOWZgnuixnJ3TTJM4jpFEkKBQGxk3Bg1WyRs&t=1&usg=__5dT4jPievaP3

glock2740
10-27-2010, 05:34
Good looking gun, but for that money, I can think of alot better. I recently paid about half of that price for a customized Colt CC.

glock2740
10-27-2010, 05:42
Which means Joe should get it in a month or two when your wife is done with it. :thumbsup:
Yeah, I called Dave and requested the 1000 round limp wrist break-in treatment and Dave's wife obliged. That's the kind of quality customer service that Dave provides and Fusion is obviously lacking in. :rofl:

glock2740
10-27-2010, 05:47
That Guncrafter is the way to go.

I'm really liking mine. :)

:agree:
I agree.....I should have Joe's this week.
:woohoo:

JohnJak
10-27-2010, 16:33
Buy a real 1911.

HAIL CAESAR
10-27-2010, 17:16
Buy a real 1911.

Oh, it's a real 1911.


Just not a real good one.:rofl:

Rinspeed
10-27-2010, 18:09
FLIPPER, do you have to make a horse's ass out of yourself EVERY time you post here? :dunno:




Ouch. :whistling:

bac1023
10-27-2010, 18:40
Yeah, I called Dave and requested the 1000 round limp wrist break-in treatment and Dave's wife obliged. That's the kind of quality customer service that Dave provides and Fusion is obviously lacking in. :rofl:

:rofl:

BlayGlock
10-28-2010, 15:33
I have not bought a gun from them, only parts. They are pleasent on the phone but very ssssslllllooooowwwwww to get anything done.

HAIL CAESAR
10-28-2010, 15:46
I have not bought a gun from them, only parts. They are pleasent on the phone but very ssssslllllooooowwwwww to get anything done.

There is nooooooo doubt Bob is nice on the phone. He really is.




Except the time he called me on my cell yelling, threatening, and cussing me out.


But before that he was my best friend.:rofl:

Comedian
10-29-2010, 20:17
To the OP,

In all seriousness, if you really like that gun watch Gunbroker.

Fusion's pop up there regularly. The "good for you" is that they do not hold resale value at all. You will see LNIB Fusion's for 40 to 45% under their new price. People advertise at a beginning price of over that....but they never sell. So you should be able to buy a 2k+ gun for around 1,200 to 1,400 dollars.

Now the bad. I know of several guys that dumped non-working Fusion's on Broker. (Couple from this site). So beware!!

This is what happened to me! I had a 9mm Commander that was utter garbage and i decided to sell it at a loss, rather than pay to send it back and still end up with a POS. I paid $1800 and finally sold it for $1200. :steamed:

bac1023
10-29-2010, 20:24
This is what happened to me! I had a 9mm Commander that was utter garbage and i decided to sell it at a loss, rather than pay to send it back and still end up with a POS. I paid $1800 and finally sold it for $1200. :steamed:

Ouch! :shocked:

beltjones
10-29-2010, 22:23
Here's a legitimate question:

Everyone knows that at this point it takes up to 8 months or so to get a Fusion built.

Why so long? It's been proven time and time again that they just slap parts together. "Drop in" barrels are literally dropped in. Not a minute of trigger work is done. Sights are loose in the dovetails. Maybe they beadblast things, and maybe they do a few minutes of polishing before sending off to ionbond. But that's it. A two man shop should be able to finish upwards of 10 pistols a day - with an hour lunch break - under those circumstances.

So why the huge backlog? Did they artificially create it for marketing purposes? Or are they not that clever? Could it be that they just sit around the shop shooting the bull for the most part, and occasionally slap together a pistol with whatever parts are on hand, without following any kind of build sheet?

In any case, there is absolutely no reason for the delay, except for the possible reason that they never bother getting around to doing anything.

knedrgr
10-29-2010, 22:33
Maybe they spend their time trying to straighten out their defective pistols that they had sold.

bac1023
10-29-2010, 23:52
Maybe they spend their time trying to straighten out their defective pistols that they had sold.

:rofl:

paul45
10-30-2010, 05:42
This has turned into a very entertaining and informative thread! :supergrin:

bac1023
10-30-2010, 06:16
This has turned into a very entertaining and informative thread! :supergrin:
Of course ;)

ajgranda
10-30-2010, 08:08
Looks like even the STI Ranger II would be a better option than some commander Fusions. For a lot less money.

Hokie1911
10-30-2010, 08:58
Looks like even the STI Ranger II would be a better option than all commander Fusions. For a lot less money.

Here you go. Fixed it for you. :thumbsup:

Hokie1911
10-30-2010, 09:00
Looks like even the STI Ranger II would be a better option than allcommander Fusions. For a lot less money.

There...fixed it for you. :thumbsup:

Hokie1911
10-30-2010, 09:01
Doubletap. :dunno:

Hokie1911
10-30-2010, 09:04
Doubletap.

Hokie1911
10-30-2010, 09:06
Wtf?!?!

knedrgr
10-30-2010, 09:14
Watch out, AD!!! Hokie is shooting Quack's STI again. That 1.5lb trigger is going to kill us.

Hokie1911
10-30-2010, 09:35
Yeah no kidding. Was trying to edit and BANG. New post. BANG. New post. BANG. :rofl: