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tngambler
10-25-2010, 17:30
Had it narrowed down to TRP or Valor.Talked to Springfield about accuracy of TRP and was told 2 1/2" at 25 yards.http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif Then spoke to Springfield Custom Shop and was told to get it down to 1 1/2" would take $500+.By then in cost Im close to Wilson Combat territory with 1" Guarantee.So what about the Valor? Havent spoke with anyone at DW(no answer).Anyone know what they will state is the accuracy of the Valor?
I keep thinking about the Wilson X-TAC (parkerized)my dealer had for $2100 i past up.Im beginning to think I should have bought it. Looks are great but I want accuracy above all else.I could live with anything under 2" though.
thanks for any help
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Cerebrus
10-25-2010, 17:47
If accuracy is what you want go with a Baer.. you can get one with a 1.5" at 50 yds for right around 2k..

rsxr22
10-25-2010, 17:49
The TRP's accuracy is news to me. Ive shot tons of semi customs and havent noticed a difference in accuracy, just fit. However, i never took the time to bench shoot them, i just run them shooting freestyle, up to 25 yds.

tngambler
10-25-2010, 17:55
Surely I can get a 1911 that will shoot under 2" at 25 yds for around $1500. :dunno: Dont want to go over that if I dont have too.

bac1023
10-25-2010, 19:34
I wouldn't get carried away worrying about those accuracy guarantees.

gconan
10-25-2010, 19:34
Looks are great but I want accuracy above all else.I could live with anything under 2" though.
thanks for any help
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All Les Baers are 3" at 50 YARDS, and you can get 1 1/2" at 50 yards for an up charge.

Hokie1911
10-25-2010, 19:41
I wouldn't get carried away worrying about those accuracy guarantees.

Agreed. :thumbsup:

bac1023
10-25-2010, 19:51
All Les Baers are 3" at 50 YARDS, and you can get 1 1/2" at 50 yards for an up charge.

Some are standard at 2 1/2", such as the SRP.

Quack
10-25-2010, 19:59
Had it narrowed down to TRP or Valor.Talked to Springfield about accuracy of TRP and was told 2 1/2" at 25 yards.http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif Then spoke to Springfield Custom Shop and was told to get it down to 1 1/2" would take $500+.By then in cost Im close to Wilson Combat territory with 1" Guarantee.So what about the Valor? Havent spoke with anyone at DW(no answer).Anyone know what they will state is the accuracy of the Valor?
I keep thinking about the Wilson X-TAC (parkerized)my dealer had for $2100 i past up.Im beginning to think I should have bought it. Looks are great but I want accuracy above all else.I could live with anything under 2" though.
thanks for any help
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i'll sell you this for the right price...it's a Custom Shop TRP :whistling:

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Quack
10-25-2010, 20:00
Surely I can get a 1911 that will shoot under 2" at 25 yds for around $1500. :dunno: Dont want to go over that if I dont have too.

question is can you shoot 2" or better?

gconan
10-25-2010, 20:21
Some are standard at 2 1/2", such as the SRP.


True! By the way, I always love seeing pick of your chromed SRP:cool:

tngambler
10-25-2010, 20:22
question is can you shoot 2" or better? stated accuracies are from a rest, and yes i can from a rest.
and that is not the question.read the first post for the question.

gconan
10-25-2010, 20:22
question is can you shoot 2" or better?


No one can if they get a gun that only shoots 4".

tngambler
10-25-2010, 20:23
I wouldn't get carried away worrying about those accuracy guarantees.
expand?

tngambler
10-25-2010, 20:26
No one can if they get a gun that only shoots 4".true,thats why im trying to find out what the Valor is capable of. obviously from what Springfield said it cant be done with a TRP.

Quack
10-25-2010, 20:32
What type of accuracy are your handguns capable of at 50 yards? Which models are most accurate? Does a 1911 barrel/slide/frame fit have to be super tight to get the most accuracy possible?

Ed Brown guns are capable of producing the accuracy the highest quality ammunition is capable of. With a 45 ACP, this is about 1 1/2" at 50 yards.

screw the X-Tac and get a Brown. the Wilson is 1" at 25yrds.

bac1023
10-25-2010, 20:33
I wouldn't get carried away worrying about those accuracy guarantees.

expand?


Any good 1911 is going to be capable of great accuracy. I'd worry more about whether or not you like a particular model's overall feel and feature set than some sort of superficial guarantee.

I just never really saw someone shop for a 1911 based primarily on an accuracy guarantee before. :headscratch:

Quack
10-25-2010, 20:33
stated accuracies are from a rest, and yes i can from a rest.
and that is not the question.read the first post for the question.

if you are only gonna shoot from a rest, then buy a Ruger Charger with a bipod :tongueout::rofl:

bac1023
10-25-2010, 20:34
if you are only gonna shoot from a rest, then buy a Ruger Charger with a bipod :tongueout::rofl:

:rofl:

Quack
10-25-2010, 20:35
I just never really saw someone shop for a 1911 based primarily on an accuracy guarantee before. :headscratch:

which i why i asked if he could shoot 2" @ 25yrds for it to really matter vs a 2.5" gun.

tngambler
10-25-2010, 20:41
screw the X-Tac and get a Brown. the Wilson is 1" at 25yrds.
That sounds good but i would like to keeep it around $1500,-$2000.If i cant get a 1911 for that kind of money that is capable of a little under 2" @ 25yds from a rest then screw it. i can get 3"-3 1/2" groups at 15 yds free hand with my glock 21.

bac1023
10-25-2010, 20:43
That sounds good but i would like to keeep it around $1500,-$2000.If i cant get a 1911 for that kind of money that is capable of a little under 2" @ 25yds from a rest then screw it. i can get 3"-3 1/2" groups at 15 yds free hand with my glock 21.

Get a Baer Concept series, they're good for 3" at 50 yards.

Quack
10-25-2010, 20:46
That sounds good but i would like to keeep it around $1500,-$2000.If i cant get a 1911 for that kind of money that is capable of a little under 2" @ 25yds from a rest then screw it. i can get 3"-3 1/2" groups at 15 yds free hand with my glock 21.

you can get a 5" Special Forces Brown for $2000


I'm sure this would shoot less then 2"@25 and it cost less than $1500 :supergrin:

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004738887_aDqi3-L.jpg

Quack
10-25-2010, 20:51
as for DW...

15yards, hand held, 1st round flyer
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004558544_ujf6N-L.jpg

best 3
http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004558811_yFif6-L.jpg

bac1023
10-25-2010, 20:52
Good shooting Quack.

Quack
10-25-2010, 20:52
Good shooting Quack.

if it wasn't for that damn flyer :crying:

tngambler
10-25-2010, 20:57
if you are only gonna shoot from a rest, then buy a Ruger Charger with a bipod :tongueout::rofl: i didnt say i was ONLY going to shoot from a rest did i? READING COMPREHENSION!try it

Quack
10-25-2010, 21:01
eye spreak know engrish

tngambler
10-25-2010, 21:02
Any good 1911 is going to be capable of great accuracy. I'd worry more about whether or not you like a particular model's overall feel and feature set than some sort of superficial guarantee.

I just never really saw someone shop for a 1911 based primarily on an accuracy guarantee before. :headscratch:
#1 thats you
#2 hope you didnt shop for a wife that way. i like performance over looks and features. not that they are not unimportant,just not #1.

Quack
10-25-2010, 21:05
you should buy a Fusion :whistling:

tngambler
10-25-2010, 21:06
you should buy a Fusion :whistling:
know nothing about them

Quack
10-25-2010, 21:08
They also leave out the threads on the person who ransom rest tested one of our commanders at 50 yds and was getting a little over an inch -1.25" groups,

.....:whistling:

tngambler
10-25-2010, 21:14
.....:whistling::yawn:

Quack
10-25-2010, 21:22
if you are looking for a inexpensive accurate gun, then look at a STI Trojan.

article with the Trojan and Springfield Custom Shop gun (both in 9mm)

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_174_29/ai_n8968397/pg_2/?tag=content;col1

Hokie1911
10-25-2010, 22:02
i didnt say i was ONLY going to shoot from a rest did i? READING COMPREHENSION!try it

Better get some thicker skin if you're going to hang out in here, newguy.

#1 thats you
#2 hope you didnt shop for a wife that way. i like performance over looks and features. not that they are not unimportant,just not #1.

Don't listen to Bac. What does he know about guns.

you should buy a Fusion :whistling:

Sound advice as usual. He's a PERFECT candidate for one of "Serva's specials".

bac1023
10-26-2010, 04:20
#1 thats you
#2 hope you didnt shop for a wife that way. i like performance over looks and features. not that they are not unimportant,just not #1.


:upeyes:

Uh, the features are all about performance, as in fitting, quality, and the specs that work for YOU.

Its more important towards real world performance for the individual than worrying about some stupid accuracy guarantee, all tell you that.






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bac1023
10-26-2010, 04:21
if you are looking for a inexpensive accurate gun, then look at a STI Trojan.



True, but it doesn't have a guarantee, dammit! :fist:

I need a guarantee! :steamed:

Hokie1911
10-26-2010, 07:40
True, but it doesn't have a guarantee, dammit! :fist:

I need a guarantee! :steamed:

Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of sh1t. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time...

ruger62
10-26-2010, 14:15
I have 2 STI`s that r very accurate! The STI Trojan is very good gun for price.

polizei1
10-26-2010, 14:32
Ha, sounds like the typical person that falls into the market advertisements big hypes. Why not get a 1911 based upon your needs, instead of an "accuracy guarantee?" I'm hearing Taurus in the background. :whistling:

Here, straight from the horses mouth:

"Taurus 1911 offers you the most accurate and feature-laden model on the market today."

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gconan
10-26-2010, 14:48
Ha, sounds like the typical person that falls into the market advertisements big hypes. Why not get a 1911 based upon your needs, instead of an "accuracy guarantee?"

The original poster said that excellent accuracy was indeed one of his needs. Why mock him for it?

Tactical black
10-26-2010, 14:52
i'll sell you this for the right price...it's a Custom Shop TRP :whistling:



You're just trying to pawn off you POS Springfield so you can get a Baer aren't you. :whistling:

Tactical black
10-26-2010, 14:54
Wow what a thread :wow::wow::wow: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Tactical black
10-26-2010, 15:00
I know STI's don't have a accuracy guarantee but a lot of people compete with them they are vary accurate guns.

Also there's a member right here on GT that uses a Stock stainless TRP for competition and seems to do just fine.

Bac is right don't over think the accuracy thing but if you need the guarantee Les Baer is probably your best bet.

tngambler
10-26-2010, 16:05
Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of sh1t. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time...
The only time I mentioned GUARANTEED is when i mentioned Wilson Combat. (again-reading comprehension)so are you calling Wilson a piece of sh1t.it was a few of you that started the guarentee stuff. By the way Hokieshooter,is that you in that box?

tngambler
10-26-2010, 16:20
Im only trying to find out what certain gun makers call acceptable.If i spend $1500 on a gun and I get something that shoots 5" groups from a rest at 25yds,when i call them are they going to say that is acceptable.in other words where is the cut off accuracy wise for them to take the gun back and make it better.every company should have a standard for their product.

.45Super-Man
10-26-2010, 16:24
Of the two I'd pick Dan Wesson, but both are fully capable by anyones definition. I'm just somewhat partial to homegrown 1911's.

Tactical black
10-26-2010, 16:33
Im only trying to find out what certain gun makers call acceptable.If i spend $1500 on a gun and I get something that shoots 5" groups from a rest at 25yds,when i call them are they going to say that is acceptable.in other words where is the cut off accuracy wise for them to take the gun back and make it better.every company should have a standard for their product.

I don't think any 1911 is going to be that bad I've seen people shoot 1" groups with a SS Springfield Mil-Spec at 15 yards the TRP is built better then the Mil-Spec also from what I hear Springfield's customer service is some of the best in the business.

I'm sure the Dan Wesson's would be very accurate also.


The guys on this board are good people you're going to have to lighten up a bit nobody is picking on you here they're just trying to help out and have fun while doing so...

Hokie1911
10-26-2010, 16:35
The only time I mentioned GUARANTEED is when i mentioned Wilson Combat. (again-reading comprehension)so are you calling Wilson a piece of sh1t.it was a few of you that started the guarentee stuff. By the way Hokieshooter,is that you in that box?

Ease down Maverick. That was movie line. You can untwist your panties now. :thumbsup:

(Now go watch Tommy Boy.)

We're just breaking balls. Don't take it seriously. Unless you're a serious competition shooter, don't sweat the guarantee. Save your cash for more ammo. :supergrin:

Quack
10-26-2010, 17:29
You're just trying to pawn off you POS Springfield so you can get a Baer aren't you. :whistling:

nope, saving up for a polished Taurus with gold accents.

Hokie1911
10-26-2010, 17:42
nope, saving up for a polished Taurus with gold accents.

I bet it's still in the case at Stonewall. I wonder how long it took them to clean your :drool: and fingerprints off the glass last time we were there.

bac1023
10-26-2010, 17:52
nope, saving up for a polished Taurus with gold accents.

:rofl:

bac1023
10-26-2010, 17:56
The only time I mentioned GUARANTEED is when i mentioned Wilson Combat. (again-reading comprehension)so are you calling Wilson a piece of sh1t.it was a few of you that started the guarentee stuff. By the way Hokieshooter,is that you in that box?

You really need to lighten up a bit if you're going to enjoy yourself in our forum. :cool:

Your OP was all about how manufacturers rate their 1911s in accuracy. To me, you're talking about a guarantee, as that's what it usually means when a manufacturer claims a specific number.

Once again, in the $1500-$2000 range, I'd go with a Baer.

knedrgr
10-26-2010, 19:40
I love how must people will think it's all about the gun, and forget about the vast amount of ammo that are available. Ammo makes a difference in grouping too. And that's why you see people compare the same gun with different ammo and get different groupings between ammo.

knedrgr
10-26-2010, 19:42
That was movie line.

(Now go watch Tommy Boy.)

I was LOL when I had read your original post...knowing where it came from. :supergrin: