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Colorado4Wheel
10-26-2010, 12:31
Who has used the X-die and also the Lee trimmer for .223? Lee trimmer will not adjust and the X-die needs a specific "trim to lenght". Is that a issue?

EL_NinO619
10-26-2010, 12:48
I use the LEE .223 trimmer, works good. Its not adjustable, but i think you could grind the tip down a tad to get it where you want.

Colorado4Wheel
10-26-2010, 13:00
I figure I could make it trim shorter easy enough. What length does yours trim .223 too?

EL_NinO619
10-26-2010, 15:13
1.755, but it can vary on the amount of pressure you put into it. Are the X dies that picky because i want to get one.

WiskyT
10-26-2010, 16:25
This isn't going to end well.

Colorado4Wheel
10-26-2010, 17:14
I have no idea if the X dies are that picky. My lee trimmer works OK in 9mm. I just have a lockstud and cutter. I did a bunch by hand in 9mm before I knew better. It's slow. With the x-die you only do it once.

WiskyT
10-26-2010, 17:26
From the RCBS instructions, the die isn't picky, but C4W is. I read the instructions and it didn't specify any particular length, just that the die not be adjusted after everything is set up, for the life of the cases.

The cases will actually grow into the die for the first couple of loadings and then stop. So the die will ultimately determine the case length.

OkieGunNut
10-26-2010, 17:50
Several thousands of 308 win X-die rounds down range and I think it's the only way to go. I did chamfer and deburr after each sizing as the case mouth impinges on the decap rod/mandrel. I think the instructions say to trim .020" below normal length. For the 308 that would be 2.015"-.020" = 2.005". However I trimmed to 1.985".

Uncle Don
10-26-2010, 18:04
I have no idea if the X dies are that picky. My lee trimmer works OK in 9mm. I just have a lockstud and cutter. I did a bunch by hand in 9mm before I knew better. It's slow. With the x-die you only do it once.


I'm surprised to see that you trim handgun brass. Being a guy that measures everything - have you ever found a 9mm case that was too long? I'm not saying the trimmer wouldn't take a little off, (because they are not fixed at max length) but I'm talking over max length.

sig2009
10-26-2010, 18:12
I have the RCBS X Die. The instructions say and I called RCBS to double check this. The max oal of the 223 case is 1.760. They have to be trimmed .020 in. That means they have to be trimmed to 1.740 inch AFTER they are sized not before! Then they are fully inserted in the die again. Then you turn the center black collet down on the case neck till you hit hard resistance. You lock it there. You load the rounds and shoot them. Now when you reload them the die is set up for the reload.

Colorado4Wheel
10-26-2010, 18:17
I'm surprised to see that you trim handgun brass. Being a guy that measures everything - have you ever found a 9mm case that was too long? I'm not saying the trimmer wouldn't take a little off, (because they are not fixed at max length) but I'm talking over max length.

Like I said I did the trimming before I knew better.

About 1/3 of them got nothing, 1/3 got a little off, the last batch got enough to take off a reasonable amount.

Colorado4Wheel
10-26-2010, 18:22
I have the RCBS X Die. The instructions say and I called RCBS to double check this. The max oal of the 223 case is 1.760. They have to be trimmed .020 in. That means they have to be trimmed to 1.740 inch AFTER they are sized not before! Then they are fully inserted in the die again. Then you turn the center black collet down on the case neck till you hit hard resistance. You lock it there. You load the rounds and shoot them. Now when you reload them the die is set up for the reload.

It sounds like the Lee trims to MAX length. Not sure if it's a good choice for a X-die then unless you mod it to trim shorter.

n2extrm
10-26-2010, 19:01
Steve I bought the Hornady trimmer for around $60 with their shell holder. I used it for tons of 308 brass and it was great. Fully adjustable, terrific cut and speed was good. I think it even came with an adapter for a cordless screwdriver 1/4 square drive. You can bolt it down or clamp it to the bench.

I also bought the Redding one, the more expensive like $175 trimmer. The cheaper Hornady blows it away for speed, ease and cut quality.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=315831

Colorado4Wheel
10-26-2010, 19:14
Thanks for the heads up.

joeyshmoey
11-01-2010, 20:49
I have the RCBS X Die. The instructions say and I called RCBS to double check this. The max oal of the 223 case is 1.760. They have to be trimmed .020 in. That means they have to be trimmed to 1.740 inch AFTER they are sized not before! Then they are fully inserted in the die again. Then you turn the center black collet down on the case neck till you hit hard resistance. You lock it there. You load the rounds and shoot them. Now when you reload them the die is set up for the reload.
So do you need to have a different die to resize and then re trim to 1.740 then use the x die?

sdelam
11-02-2010, 04:42
The X-Die comes by itself so you need a seperate set of dies anyway. I use it for .223 and it works alright. The only problem I have is that my brass gets mixed with other brass at the range so I have to chheck it all again to sort it, if I miss one the x-die will buckle the shoulder just a tad and cause issues.

If you are shooting a bolt gun, or are able to keep your brass together ir works well. I think I'm going to buy a Giraud trimmer and be done with it though.

http://www.giraudtool.com/prod02.htm

Hoser
11-02-2010, 08:26
Steve, just get all your 223 brass sized and put it in a bucket. I will drop off my Giraud and you can trim to your hearts content.

If you are using this brass in an AR, get the Dillon Carbide die and be done with it.

sig2009
11-02-2010, 08:42
So do you need to have a different die to resize and then re trim to 1.740 then use the x die?


No. You don't need a separate die. After all your brass is deprimed, resized and trimmed you put a finished trimed and resized die back into the die. You then turn the black center rod down till it meets hard resistance at the case mouth and when you resize and deprime the next time the die will prevent the neck from expanding past that point. If you have a problem setting it up just call RCBS and talk to one of the techs and he will explain it to you.

WiskyT
11-02-2010, 13:42
If you are shooting a bolt gun, or are able to keep your brass together ir works well. I think I'm going to buy a Giraud trimmer and be done with it though.

http://www.giraudtool.com/prod02.htm

If you're using a bolt gun, I highly recommend the Lee collet die. Trim, don't trim, makes no difference. It neck sizes only and even saves the minor trouble of lubing.

Colorado4Wheel
11-02-2010, 16:52
Steve, just get all your 223 brass sized and put it in a bucket. I will drop off my Giraud and you can trim to your hearts content.

If you are using this brass in an AR, get the Dillon Carbide die and be done with it.

This is for my brother in law so it's his responsibility to do it. I am just educating myself so I can talk to him about it.

sourdough44
11-10-2010, 05:12
My trimming tools are the Lee hand trimmers & a Wilson crank trimmer. That usual does me fine for lower round count projects. Well I'm gearing up to reload my several hundred rounds+ of mostly 223 ammo for prairie dogging. I started doing some on the Wilson crank trimmer & it was getting to be a pain.

My next move was to put a low offer in on flea-bay for a powered RCBS trimmer. Then I tried putting the Lee trimmer 223 base in my variable speed drill. That brought my production up to where I can live with it. I also used a sharpening stone to take just a little off the 'stem' to trim the cases to 1.75, or just a hair under.

I was outbid on the power trimmer, which is good. I now have my 1st batch of 300+ sized,trimmed,champher'd,deburred, & now ready for priming.

My load is a 50 grain Blitzking with a mid level charge of Ramshot X-Terminator. The main gun for these loads is my 'Carey Custom' 22" Shilen barreled AR with a 3lb Timney trigger.

PCJim
11-10-2010, 07:40
I still highly recommend you look at the Kwick Trimmer. With the drill adapter, I prepped 270 .223 cases Sunday night in 70 minutes - that included swaging as well as trim, chamfer and deburr.