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LarryD1130
10-28-2010, 19:37
I have been wanting to get another rifle for a while now. I currently have a Remington 597 and a Glenfield 30-30. The rifle I always planned on getting was a Remington 700. The only problem is that I couldn't choose which model and caliber I wanted. Well instead of just choosing a certain caliber and model I just decided to break it up into groups and go from there. Target and hunting. For target shooting I'm going to get some model in .308. For hunting I'm probably going to get a 30-06 at first. I also plan on getting a .270 and some type of magnum down the line.

I was checking out a gander mountain ad and I saw this. Is this a good rifle? Is it a good price? Any reviews of this rifle will be appreciated.

http://gandermountain.shoplocal.com/gandermountain/Default.aspx?action=browsepagedetail&storeid=2401000&rapid=1011051&pagenumber=2&listingid=-2085699060
It's not the best link but it gives you a general idea.

4Baldy
10-28-2010, 20:27
For hunting it will take down any animal in north America. About $500 after rebate sounds good for a 30-06.

vafish
10-28-2010, 20:33
Can't go wrong with a .30-06 for hunting.

The .308 and .270 are so close to the performance of the .30-06 that it really doesn't make any difference to the animals.

duncan
10-29-2010, 09:19
Can't go wrong with a .30-06 for hunting.

The .308 and .270 are so close to the performance of the .30-06 that it really doesn't make any difference to the animals.

Agreed. While the 308 has become hugely popular, the longer cartridge casing of 30-06 allows a wider range of bullet weight and velocity combinations.

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob100.html

Jerry
10-29-2010, 09:41
All I can add is that I have a Remington 700 BDL chambered in 30/06 that I purchased in the 70’s. It has never missed a beat and I wouldn’t hesitate to use if for anything from Hogs to Moose/Grizzly. Right after I bought it the .308 became all the rage and I had wished I had gotten a .308. Now I’m very happy with 06. Just took it to range yesterday and it shoots as good as when new.

I think you’ll be happy with either .270 .308 or 06. You just have a few more loading options with the .06 but probably wouldn’t miss them. It’s almost like potato po-tot-tow. But personally I like all the options I can get. :)

K.Kiser
10-29-2010, 10:55
Withing reasonable shooting distances debating the better caliber is like debating between Brunettes, blondes, and redheads... Within common hunting conditions it's just a matter of which one You'd better like to be seen with... With a proper marksman, they all three yield the same result..

LarryD1130
10-29-2010, 12:41
LOL. Yeah I'm definitely putting a Leoupold on it but I don't know which one. I love the .308 caliber but it isn't offered in this package. I'm going to get a .308 with a bull barrel eventually. For this gun it was between .270 and 30-06. I personally like the 30-06 better. I know there are millions of people who will say the the .270 is the best, most accurate, caliber there is but I like 30-06 more. I think I'm going to go get this rifle today.

K.Kiser
10-29-2010, 13:34
Neither round has a single thing to prove to anyone, their legacy's are written in stone... The big deciding factor between them aren't rooted in reality, but rather manifestations of a hunter's boredom and mindplay... Have fun, and shoot the hell out of it... The more you shoot and become more familiar with the rifle, the deadlier it gets...

bluejackets92fs
10-29-2010, 13:36
Can't go wrong with a 30-06. Can't go wrong with a Remington 700. I'd say do it and drop some game.

LarryD1130
10-29-2010, 14:00
Thanks. I'm going to wait until tomorrow morning to go get it. Hopefully I'll get some more posts before then but I think I already made my decision. What gr. bullet should I get?

bluejackets92fs
10-29-2010, 14:05
Thanks. I'm going to wait until tomorrow morning to go get it. Hopefully I'll get some more posts before then but I think I already made my decision. What gr. bullet should I get?

What are you trying to drop? Depends on that. I live by the heavier the better. Also depends on how far of a shot you plan on taking. You don't want something that will drop like a rock after 500 yards but you don't want something that hits like a bb at 500 yards. It is hard to find a balance for hunting IMO. In Ohio its easy to decide because its either pistols or shotguns outside of bow season.

bmylesk
10-29-2010, 14:06
dude! im in the same boat and have researching for couple months now and will purchase something by Dec. i think a .308 is the best way to go for hunting and practice shooting. ammo is much cheaper too! with the .308 and a good set up, you can really hit out there at 1000 yrds easy. the biggest and single factor for me was ammo price! because in reality you can do the same with most caliber from .270 to .338 and all in between. :cool:

K.Kiser
10-29-2010, 16:33
In a .270, I'd prefer something 130-150 grains for deer.... In a .308 or 30-06 I'd probably go with 165 or 180 at the heaviest... Use a good bullet construction that is made to stay together..

bmylesk
10-29-2010, 21:37
In a .270, I'd prefer something 130-150 grains for deer.... In a .308 or 30-06 I'd probably go with 165 or 180 at the heaviest... Use a good bullet construction that is made to stay together..

Some states require like Utah soft point or expansion bullet. So in a since u don't want it to stay together. Just FYI

K.Kiser
10-30-2010, 08:26
Some states require like Utah soft point or expansion bullet. So in a since u don't want it to stay together. Just FYI

I didn't say a monolithic or a smooth nose solid... In other words, no thin jacketed hollow point bullet made to fragment.... Use a thicker jacketed bullet, or something bonded, or something with a partition in the body of it... Nosler partitions, Accubonds, Scirocco, Grand Slam, Fail safe, swift A-frame, Barnes X family bullets, etc will all do their job... While I'm here, let me not ever recommend a Sierra boattail gameking bullet, couldn't ever keep the lead core in the jacket even in .284 160 grainers...

LarryD1130
10-30-2010, 13:19
Well I went and got the rifle today. I'm happy with my purchase even though as soon as dads buddy saw it he gave me slack for buying a 30-06 instead of a .308. He said, "What is this? The sixties?" I was going to buy a scope for it but I couldn't make up my mind. I was looking through the different leupold's and the one I liked the best was $550 and that's how much I spent on the rifle. I was looking at one for $400 that wasn't that bad though. Maybe I'll get that one.

paynter2
10-30-2010, 13:46
Well I went and got the rifle today. I'm happy with my purchase even though as soon as dads buddy saw it he gave me slack for buying a 30-06 instead of a .308. He said, "What is this? The sixties?" I was going to buy a scope for it but I couldn't make up my mind. I was looking through the different leupold's and the one I liked the best was $550 and that's how much I spent on the rifle. I was looking at one for $400 that wasn't that bad though. Maybe I'll get that one.

Don't let your dad's buddy bother you - he's a moron. As someone, above, posted, the 30-06 is much more versatile. The only thing the 308 has going for it (vs. the 30-06) is the short action. That doesn't make it (308) bad, it just makes dad's buddy a moron. Tell him the 308 is a necked-up .243.

I have a brand new 3x9-40, VX-II Leupold that I sent back to the factory. The variable adjustment was too tight - I could hardly move it when it was cold outside. I put it back on a rifle this fall and am having a tough time zeroing it. Sometimes the adjustments seem to 'take' and sometimes they don't. I'm taking it off and putting a Nikon on that rifle. I'm a big fan of Nikon - and I'm less and less a fan of Leupold. Take a look at Nikon.

LarryD1130
10-30-2010, 14:47
I like Nikon but I want to put a Leupold on this rifle. I can't decide if the VX-III is worth the extra money over the VK-II. Definitely going to get the 3-9x40 and probably a duplex reticle.

K.Kiser
10-30-2010, 17:25
[QUOTE=paynter2;16222454]Don't let your dad's buddy bother you - he's a moron. As someone, above, posted, the 30-06 is much more versatile. The only thing the 308 has going for it (vs. the 30-06) is the short action. That doesn't make it (308) bad, it just makes dad's buddy a moron. QUOTE]

Absolutely, the .308 is a wonderful round but the 30-06 gives up nothing to it but a little longer action and a little recoil and maybe a smidge of accuracy in a target shoot setting... Challenge Your dad's buddy to present some documentation supporting his comment... The 700 30-06 is as quintessential of a hunting rifle as there is anywhere... It has been there, done that, bailed out lesser rifles, party'd hard, got the t-shirt, and used the tattered shred to choke the naysayers... That rifle will serve you well for the rest of your life... Have fun and put some meat on the stove..

LarryD1130
10-31-2010, 09:40
Should I get the Leupold VX-II or the Leupold VX-III?

EL COLONEL
10-31-2010, 18:51
Larry , I have the vx -2 3 x9 40. 329.00 dollars at academy. Very nice scope ! :wavey:

Esox357
10-31-2010, 18:59
You are overlapping the rifles you need. Pick between the 06 and the 308 for hunting. Not much difference in either one both are 30 calibers and will kill up to elk size game without too much problem. I use a 165 grain bullet in my 30.06 going 2680fps its slow but will kill everything I need. Most people will decide between the short action or long action to make the decision? You can't go wrong with any of the calibers you mentioned. For a target gun maybe a 223 or 22-250 ect. Enjoy.

LarryD1130
11-01-2010, 07:21
So guy on another for said that the VX-3 is definitely worth the extra money. Does anybody else think this is true? Should I get a 1 piece or 2 piece mount? It will be going on a Remington 700 SPS Buckmasters edition in 30-06.

fgutie35
11-01-2010, 07:47
Well I went and got the rifle today. I'm happy with my purchase even though as soon as dads buddy saw it he gave me slack for buying a 30-06 instead of a .308. He said, "What is this? The sixties?" I was going to buy a scope for it but I couldn't make up my mind. I was looking through the different leupold's and the one I liked the best was $550 and that's how much I spent on the rifle. I was looking at one for $400 that wasn't that bad though. Maybe I'll get that one.

Tell your dad's buddy, HE is the one living in the sixties with that mentality. New developments in bullets and powders, have given the 30-06 the edge over the 308 in accuracy at greater distances. If you want a dual purpose rifle, put a 26" stainless steel heavy barrel on that Remington 30-06 action, and you will see what I mean. I can hit dime size groups at 300yds with my Savage 112VBSS all day long.:wavey:

noway
11-01-2010, 12:20
As far as kiling up to a elk, try up to a moose? A 30-06 or 308win can do any 4 legged animal in our 48states with ease.


Btw congrats on your purchase. Stick some glass on it, buy about 40 rounds and go site it in.

HollowPoint .45
11-04-2010, 12:02
.308 & .30-06 are nearly identical especially in deer loads, I'd say get a .308 and use it for both target and hunting.

CanyonMan
11-04-2010, 13:44
As about everyone I think has said, the 270, 308. 30-06 are all plenty good. I will add from deer to moose. If I were to choose between the 3 cals here you listed, I would choose the 30-06, but that is just me.

You ask about the rifle. I own the Remington 700 SPS in stainless with a 26" barrel Black stock (although i do prefer wood) in 7MM Rem Mag. It is my "do all gun." I load my own, so I can tailor my loads for the task.

It holds 3 & 4 shot groups at 100yds I can cover with a nickle (used to be a dime) ha. and a 3X9 Zeiss scope. I love Remington 700's. It is strong, and as I said very acurate, and has served me very well (the 700 SPS). Also my M700 in 7mm Rem Mag, but a really nice wood stock, and a Ruger in 7mm Rem Mag served very well also.

A couple quick Cell Phone pics Rem 700 SPS This one I set with a 3# trigger pull, no creep. Stock is free floated as well

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab256/yrag5951/GT%20stuff/1104001502-1-1.jpg

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab256/yrag5951/GT%20stuff/1104001503.jpg


You do what you think best for you, but just to answer your question on the rifle in the link. Yes, a Remington 700 SPS is a very fine gun. I do not personally like the camo stock, but the 'gun itself' is not going to dissipoint ya. ;)

BTW, that is just a couple $$$$ more than I gave for mine quite a number of years back. Price has not changed much it seems.



Good luck



CM

Hummer
11-06-2010, 19:47
So guy on another for said that the VX-3 is definitely worth the extra money. Does anybody else think this is true? Should I get a 1 piece or 2 piece mount? It will be going on a Remington 700 SPS Buckmasters edition in 30-06.
Larry, buy the best optics you can afford. You will never regret buying the VX-3 over the cheaper line. You will never regret buying better optics, ever.

For hunting Pennsylvania white-tails you probably won't notice much advantage in the .30-06 over the .270 or .308. The short action rifles might be better for some hunting situations if only due to lighter rifle weight and shorter overall length. But the .30-06 offers more power and can handle heavier bullets more suitable for larger game such as elk.

The optimum hunting bullet for .270 is 150 grain weight, for .308 is 165 grain, and for .30-06 is 180 grain. The .308 takes the exact same diameter bullet as the .30-06, but has less case capacity for powder. I handload .30-06 in 150, 168, 180, 200, and 220 grain bullets, and like the heavier bullets for their advantages at close range on elk. I've also loaded 110 round nose and 125 gr. ballistic tips that are very accurate and effective on small game or deer. Although the .30-06 has been around for a hundred years, the excellence of it's design will keep it from becoming obsolete for a long, long time.

The best way to counter you dad's friend's caliber argument is to become a better hunter and harvest more deer and elk with your "antiquated" .30-06. In the end, it doesn't matter what you shoot, but how you shoot it. Take your time to make every shot perfect, and do it as quickly as you can. That's what will get you the game.

filthy infidel
11-07-2010, 15:50
Today I shot my second (maybe third-hand) 700 BDL in .30-'06 to check zero. This old rifle has honest wear and with it's equally beat up Simmons glass has likely taken quite the number of deer. Some previous owner likely stored it in a glass 'gun cabinet' and the sun has faded the stock topside. Shooting offhand over a wheel-barrow I managed a quarter sized group of three at an estimated 100 yards. Cold shot high, the next two almost touching, using Core-Lokt. It will put some meat in the freezer this season for sure.
As stated earlier, the .30-'06 gives you more projectiles to choose from. Good luck with your hunting regardless of your choice!

vafish
11-07-2010, 22:26
Thanks. I'm going to wait until tomorrow morning to go get it. Hopefully I'll get some more posts before then but I think I already made my decision. What gr. bullet should I get?

For eastern whitetails 150 or 165 gr in the .30-06 will be fine. I like the plain Jane Core Lokt's or Power Points.

My .30-06 hunting load for VA is a 150 gr Winchester Power Point bullet over a medium range load of 3031 giving me about 2,700 fps. It shoots pretty well in mine and my 2 sons rifles. I use the same bullet in the .300 savage as well.