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Glock19Fan
10-29-2010, 14:54
Over the years, I have noticed the lighter grain bullets slowly starting to disappear. Particularly the 115/9mm, 155/.40SW, and 185/.45ACP. While they are still available, they are dominated in the market by heavier loads, both mid weight and heavy weight.

Anyone think this is a change in the companies perspective on bullet effectiveness, or do you think they are doing this becuase the market has seen more demand for heavier loads, both on the civilian and Law Enforcement side?

For what its worth, I carry 147/9mm, and I am perfectly comfortable with it. RA9T to be exact.

1time
10-29-2010, 15:03
Most 9mm I find is 115 grain still. Short of JHP, all the ammo I see is 115 with the exception of the RWS 124 grain. The 45 230 grain is most prevalent but in the reloading world 185 and 200 grain bullet seem to have slightly more offerings.

JBP55
10-29-2010, 15:15
They make what sells.

fredj338
10-29-2010, 15:48
Most people are now following the FBI edict on "best" performing rounds & that favors mid to heavy for caliber bullets. So that is what the ammo manuf are going to sell. Yes, in 9mm FMJ practice ammo, you still see 115gr because it's cheaper to make. I've always thought the 9mm would run best w/ a 130gr bullet 1200fps & the 45acp w/ a 210gr @ 900fps, but that oddball idea is not gonna happen.

Glock19Fan
10-29-2010, 15:49
Sorry, I dont think I was clear but I was talking about self defense ammunition, not target ammo.

JBP55
10-29-2010, 17:16
Sorry, I dont think I was clear but I was talking about self defense ammunition, not target ammo.


They make what sells.

PghJim
10-30-2010, 21:01
Over the years, I have noticed the lighter grain bullets slowly starting to disappear. Particularly the 115/9mm, 155/.40SW, and 185/.45ACP. While they are still available, they are dominated in the market by heavier loads, both mid weight and heavy weight.

Anyone think this is a change in the companies perspective on bullet effectiveness, or do you think they are doing this becuase the market has seen more demand for heavier loads, both on the civilian and Law Enforcement side?

For what its worth, I carry 147/9mm, and I am perfectly comfortable with it. RA9T to be exact.


Do you have any examples of specific bullets that are not made anymore? The 40 S&W still has Ranger 155, 155 Hyda-shoks are still going fine, 155 GD can be easily found, 155 HST's does not last very long when it is available, Remington never made a 155, but their 165 is going OK. Actually in my opinion that is the most effective bullet weight for that caliber, assuming it is not downloaded. I have seen newer bullets like the PXD1 only in 165 or 180, but I am not aware of anyone discontinuing the 155. I can not speak much on the 45, but I carry Remington 185 +p GS and have no trouble finding them. I actually think the 147 9mm is probably the worst of that caliber. The FBI backed away from that one in a hurry when real world results started coming in. One on the largest agencies we have, the Border Patrol, uses 155gr 40 S&W. Try to get a hold of some Ranger 9mm 115gr +p+. There is hardly any left for the civilan market and it is probably the most effective round in the caliber.

G21FAN
10-30-2010, 21:19
Remington DID have a .40 S&W 155 grn JHP that was decently hot. Dont know if it is still loaded or not.

Still does. R40SW1 Express Pistol Cartridge.

PghJim
10-30-2010, 22:02
Remington DID have a .40 S&W 155 grn JHP that was decently hot. Dont know if it is still loaded or not.

Still does. R40SW1 Express Pistol Cartridge.


You are right, the Remington Express, and it is still made. Besides the ones I mentioned above, I just looked at Midway and the following are available in 155gr JHP: Remington Express, Double Tap, Magtech, Hornady TAP, Hornady Custom, Winchester Silver tip, Black Hills, Buffalo Bore, Fiocchi, Grizzly and CorBon (150). True, there are more 180's, but I do not know of a 155gr that has disappeared.

Eyescream
10-30-2010, 22:29
I'm probably an anomaly but I really prefer a 185gr (+P) .45 ACP to a 230gr .45 ACP.

In the battle of big and slow versus small and fast, I decided to just do both. :supergrin:

Shenron
10-31-2010, 02:42
For the 9mm, I personally believe that the most effective loads are the 124+P and the 147gr.

As far as the "super light"er loads? I am not a fan but there is plenty of good light loads. Especially in the Barnes/DPX line.

If you are wondering about the 115gr. for the 9mm, well the Miami shoot out with the FBI should answer that question. It was that and lack of backup.

But again, there is always the business side of it as stated by other posters, the produce more of what sells and what functions the best in ballistic testing. It is why we do not see any of the "super light" loads in the newer lines of ammo.

G21FAN
10-31-2010, 07:06
You are right, the Remington Express, and it is still made. Besides the ones I mentioned above, I just looked at Midway and the following are available in 155gr JHP: Remington Express, Double Tap, Magtech, Hornady TAP, Hornady Custom, Winchester Silver tip, Black Hills, Buffalo Bore, Fiocchi, Grizzly and CorBon (150). True, there are more 180's, but I do not know of a 155gr that has disappeared.

That Remington round was a hot little number, just had excessive flash in low light in my then issued Glock 22 and 27.

The 155 Silvertip also impressed me as well.