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dragon281tx
10-29-2010, 21:56
I'm currently in the market for my 1st 1911 and already overwhelmed by all the different types of options you can get on a 1911. My main concern of the moment is whether i should go with the standard barrel or the bull barrel. To be even more specific, the pistols im looking at are the stainless TRP (standard barrel) and the railed TRP Operator (bull barrel). I've done my fair share of googling but still not set on one. I've spoken w/ BAC about my situation and have put his opinion into consideration. I want to know the opinions of the rest of the GTers out there. If any of you own both or has handled both TRP and TRP Operator, please let me know pros and cons to both handguns. Or if any of you have experience w/ a 1911 in both standard and bull barrel, please let me know pros and cons to both.

knedrgr
10-29-2010, 22:09
I have both types styles, and I like both. If I was to get a TRP, I would go with standard. A full size just looks better with a standard bushing barrel. Plus, it's easier to get a new bushing and get it to tighten up the slide and barrel. The TRP is a nice high end production gun, so things should be relatively tight.

AZ Husker
10-29-2010, 22:34
In a 1911, accuracy comes from your bushing/barrel match. If you shoot a ton, there is nothing you can do with a bull barrel. A new bushing can be easily fit and off you go. That said, I do love my 4" Kimbers with bull barrels, but they only get some practice and the rest of the time they're carry guns.

bac1023
10-29-2010, 23:21
Generally speaking, bull barrels are more accurate, as they have only one point of tolerance, while a bushing has two.

That said, I'd go with the standard TRP.

nolt
10-29-2010, 23:27
not trying to be a politician and sidestep the question but for most people (that dont already know what they want and are asking on the internet) the standard barrel TRP would be a better go, but more due to (the lack of) the rail than the barrel.

bac1023
10-29-2010, 23:43
not trying to be a politician and sidestep the question but for most people (that dont already know what they want and are asking on the internet) the standard barrel TRP would be a better go, but more due to (the lack of) the rail than the barrel.

I was trying the leave the rail out of it, but its certainly a deal breaker for me.

On the other hand, I do love bull barrels. :hearts:


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_2408.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_2426.jpg

nolt
10-30-2010, 08:44
i do too bac!
the only one i have, though, is on the full-rail TRP. :rofl: i dont care much for rails on 1911s either but i do like the full-cover look. i wish the rail on my TRP was smooth like my mono.

my only point to the OP was that, while i certainly respect looking at all the differences in two guns and considering your choice based on the whole of the gun... that the bushing barrel/bull barrel question would take a backseat to the rail/non-rail question in by far most people, and that this is not unreasonable. ie: theyre both accurate and reliable. furthermore if you shoot THAT MUCH then this aint gonna be your only 1911 anyways. :embarassed:

im jealous of that infinity btw.

bac1023
10-30-2010, 08:53
im jealous of that infinity btw.

Nolt, I you're ever in the market for a custom 1911, I highly recommend the guys at Infinity. That gun may be the best shooting 1911 I own and extremely solid to boot. The 1.5-2lb Triglide trigger is to die for and certainly helps me get the most out of the gun's accuracy.

I also really like Infinity's ordering process. Just use the Gunbuilder to design anything you want and Brandon replies back in a short time with a quote.

Expensive? Absolutely, but I consider them a value in the custom 1911 market. :)

nolt
10-30-2010, 09:06
ive monkeyed with that gunbuilder for hours

bac1023
10-30-2010, 09:29
ive monkeyed with that gunbuilder for hours

:cool:

They recently improved the interface. In years past (when I ordered mine), it was a PITA to use.

MD357
10-30-2010, 09:39
I'm currently in the market for my 1st 1911 and already overwhelmed by all the different types of options you can get on a 1911. My main concern of the moment is whether i should go with the standard barrel or the bull barrel. To be even more specific, the pistols im looking at are the stainless TRP (standard barrel) and the railed TRP Operator (bull barrel). I've done my fair share of googling but still not set on one. I've spoken w/ BAC about my situation and have put his opinion into consideration. I want to know the opinions of the rest of the GTers out there. If any of you own both or has handled both TRP and TRP Operator, please let me know pros and cons to both handguns. Or if any of you have experience w/ a 1911 in both standard and bull barrel, please let me know pros and cons to both.

The only real world differences will be how you strip your 1911 and some percieved shootability with the heavier bull barrel. Accuracy will be a wash, all things being the same.

If you plan on using your 1911 for home defense then get a rail. If you plan on carrying one or using it as a range toy then get the one without.

Agent6-3/8
10-30-2010, 09:42
While I like my bull barreled Kimber Pro, I much prefer the standard bushing setup with a G.I. guide rod.

dragon281tx
10-30-2010, 09:44
Damnit bac i was hoping u wouldnt post any of ur infamous carpet pics in this thread. U make me wanna spend i little more money for an infinity. I remember seriously looking at their product a few yrs ago and my gun builder quote came out to $4000+. BTW is that 1.5-2lb triglide trigger available as an aftermarket trigger for non infinity 1911? Thats the same ballpark i want my trigger pull to be.

bac1023
10-30-2010, 09:53
Damnit bac i was hoping u wouldnt post any of ur infamous carpet pics in this thread. U make me wanna spend i little more money for an infinity. I remember seriously looking at their product a few yrs ago and my gun builder quote came out to $4000+. BTW is that 1.5-2lb triglide trigger available as an aftermarket trigger for non infinity 1911? Thats the same ballpark i want my trigger pull to be.

Sure, you can order their triggers.

http://sviguns.com/1101.php?indx=5

Whether or not, they do custom work on a supplied gun, I'm really not sure. :dunno:

You're right about the price. Its easy to get carried away with that Gunbuilder. Prices have also gone up a bit since a few years back, but their work is top notch.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2420.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/000_2451.jpg

PlasticGuy
10-30-2010, 10:13
While bull barrels can slightly lower slide velocity and felt recoil, I don't want one on a combat 1911. I want to be able to disassemble my carry gun with just my fingers. I have seen no difference in accuracy between the two systems. Les Baer 1911's are freaky accurate, and 99% use a bushing system.

It does make some sense on shorter barrels, by adding weight to the moving parts to slow things down and reduce stress on them. No point on a 5" 1911, in my opinion.

dragon281tx
10-30-2010, 11:17
Appreciate the feedback guys. Leaning towards the standard barrel for sure. And bac, would the triglide trigger single stack drop in a TRP? Or will I need the experienced hands of a gunsmith to fit it in?

bac1023
10-30-2010, 11:53
While bull barrels can slightly lower slide velocity and felt recoil, I don't want one on a combat 1911. I want to be able to disassemble my carry gun with just my fingers. I have seen no difference in accuracy between the two systems. Les Baer 1911's are freaky accurate, and 99% use a bushing system.

It does make some sense on shorter barrels, by adding weight to the moving parts to slow things down and reduce stress on them. No point on a 5" 1911, in my opinion.

Most of the high end 1911s with bushings can't be broken down without a bushing wrench anyway. :tongueout:

knedrgr
10-30-2010, 13:43
Most of the high end 1911s with bushings can't be broken down without a bushing wrench anyway. :tongueout:

Only for those that don't eat their Wheaties in the morning. :tongueout:

bac1023
10-30-2010, 15:10
Only for those that don't eat their Wheaties in the morning. :tongueout:

:rofl:

PlasticGuy
10-30-2010, 16:43
Most of the high end 1911s with bushings can't be broken down without a bushing wrench anyway. :tongueout:
The properly built ones like my Yost can. :tongueout:

bac1023
10-30-2010, 16:48
The properly built ones like my Yost can. :tongueout:

Yeah, I can most the bushing on my Yost and some others, but many I can't. :crying:

maslin
10-31-2010, 11:14
While bull barrels can slightly lower slide velocity and felt recoil, I don't want one on a combat 1911. I want to be able to disassemble my carry gun with just my fingers. I have seen no difference in accuracy between the two systems. Les Baer 1911's are freaky accurate, and 99% use a bushing system.





What tools do you need to disassemble a bull barreled 1911? Mine is easier to take down then a standard bushing set up....

Quack
10-31-2010, 11:23
Appreciate the feedback guys. Leaning towards the standard barrel for sure. And bac, would the triglide trigger single stack drop in a TRP? Or will I need the experienced hands of a gunsmith to fit it in?

you need to fit it.
also the "tri-glide" trigger need the other "tri-glide" parts.
you can get the Infinity ITS (Interchangeable Trigger System) in "tri-glide" or standard.

i use the standard ITS in my STI Edge.

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004764513_tg7UX-L.jpg

PlasticGuy
10-31-2010, 13:37
What tools do you need to disassemble a bull barreled 1911? Mine is easier to take down then a standard bushing set up....
The vast majority require at least an allen wrench or bent paperclip to pin the recoil spring plug back and capture the spring. Not a big deal unless you don't have one.

maslin
10-31-2010, 15:19
The vast majority require at least an allen wrench or bent paperclip to pin the recoil spring plug back and capture the spring. Not a big deal unless you don't have one.

You can't push the slide back, remove the stop, then take the slide off the front?

bac1023
10-31-2010, 17:15
You can't push the slide back, remove the stop, then take the slide off the front?

Its proper the capture the spring before removing the slide stop.

glock2740
10-31-2010, 17:39
I'm currently in the market for my 1st 1911 and already overwhelmed by all the different types of options you can get on a 1911. My main concern of the moment is whether i should go with the standard barrel or the bull barrel. To be even more specific, the pistols im looking at are the stainless TRP (standard barrel) and the railed TRP Operator (bull barrel). I've done my fair share of googling but still not set on one. I've spoken w/ BAC about my situation and have put his opinion into consideration. I want to know the opinions of the rest of the GTers out there. If any of you own both or has handled both TRP and TRP Operator, please let me know pros and cons to both handguns. Or if any of you have experience w/ a 1911 in both standard and bull barrel, please let me know pros and cons to both.
Is your avatar a Gaboon 1911?

bac1023
10-31-2010, 17:50
Is your avatar a Gaboon 1911?

Desert Eagle ;)

maslin
10-31-2010, 18:07
Its proper the capture the spring before removing the slide stop.

Got ya. My only bull barrel 1911 has a GI guide rod, nothing to capture before removing the slide.

bac1023
10-31-2010, 18:56
Got ya. My only bull barrel 1911 has a GI guide rod, nothing to capture before removing the slide.

There's no small hole in the guide rod? :dunno:

Which 1911 is it?

cole
10-31-2010, 19:30
Bushing in 4.25" and more.

Bull in 4" and less.

My 4" Kimber is a tack-driver and it's reliable. My 5" Kimber was the same.

The thought of CCW with a 5" again pains me.

Since I loathe FLGRs I removed it from my Kimber 4":
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_4xrAuaGHkLI/TMG8WvhxLXI/AAAAAAAAD-I/HQSmei2zkZg/s640/Kimber%20Compact%20Series%201%20SS010%20%28Large%29.jpg
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_4xrAuaGHkLI/TMG8a8asazI/AAAAAAAAD-Y/0p1OtStF7xs/s640/Kimber%20Compact%20Series%201%20SS020%20%28Large%29.jpg
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_4xrAuaGHkLI/TMG8ew128xI/AAAAAAAAD-o/HOuPUTcVFfQ/s640/Kimber%20Compact%20Series%201%20SS031%20%28Large%29.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_4xrAuaGHkLI/TMG8huiuSKI/AAAAAAAAD-0/8sOVE8P-RCA/s640/Kimber%20Compact%20Series%201%20SS034%20%28Large%29.jpg

bac1023
10-31-2010, 19:45
Nice Kimber. :)

I carry my 4" CDP with a bull barrel.

Shipwreck-The-Sequel
10-31-2010, 20:26
See, I prefer bull barrels. I like how the spring remains captive on the 1 piece guiderod. I find it much easier to disassemble and reassemble, personally...

I also like the extra weight. If I have a choice, I choose bull barrel everytime.

I have owned a few bull barrel 1911s...

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/gun7.jpg

maslin
10-31-2010, 21:24
There's no small hole in the guide rod? :dunno:

Which 1911 is it?

It's a Springfield Compact, built in 2002. It has a standard short GI rod and a reverse plug. Sorry for the crappy cell phone pic.

http://inlinethumb51.webshots.com/40242/2088808640065785754S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/42133/2578155020065785754S600x600Q85.jpg

dragon281tx
11-01-2010, 12:42
Does anyone know if the trigger pull on the TRP is adjustable? And if so, whats the range (least to most lbs)?A friend told me about it and i just wanted to confirm this.

Quack
11-01-2010, 13:16
Does anyone know if the trigger pull on the TRP is adjustable? And if so, whats the range (least to most lbs)?A friend told me about it and i just wanted to confirm this.

no, not adjustable for weight by using a screw.
it's adjustable for over-travel.
the factory pull is 4.5-5.5Lbs.

dragon281tx
11-01-2010, 15:19
no, not adjustable for weight by using a screw.
it's adjustable for over-travel.
the factory pull is 4.5-5.5Lbs.

Gotcha. Thanks. I want my trigger to be around 2lbs. Any suggestions on how i can do it myself or which aftermarket trigger to buy? Or should i not even waste my time and let my pistolsmith handle it?

Quack
11-01-2010, 15:28
If your are going to use it for defense, I wouldn't go that low.
Also if you are not used to shooting light triggers, then you will unintentional double taps (just ask hokie and knedrgr)

As for getting a 2# trigger its more than tweaking a spring. A bad trigger job can feel heavier, while a good job will feel lighter, with both measuring the same.

For tools you'll need a sear jig, files, stones, feeler gauges and a trigger pull gauge. A C&S drop-in kit does well w/o any additional tuning.

bac1023
11-01-2010, 17:59
I agree.

A 2 lb trigger is too light for a self defense pistol.

dragon281tx
11-01-2010, 18:09
Cool i'll look into that

Quack
11-01-2010, 18:12
i used the C&S Super Match kit in my Loaded before i bought the tools.
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=12765/pid=5502/sku/Super_Match_Trigger_Pull_Kit

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004740128_Tk8rJ-L.jpg

if you plan on doing it yourself, practice on the cheaper factory parts (MIM) and if you mess up, then you can buy better parts.

FWIW, i have a 2# trigger on my Trophy Match using factory parts. just seeing how long it lasts before i swap out the parts to tool steel. besides working on the hammer and sear, i also replaced the mainspring from the 28# spring to an Ed Brown 19# spring, removed the ILS parts and used a Colt sear spring (same spring C&S uses in their kit). you can ask Hokieshooter how it shot ;)

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/photos/1004739489_2ob3W-L.jpg