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GlockUniverse
10-30-2010, 20:57
Has anyone else noticed that your re-loading costs for 9mm are going up for individual bullets, powder, and primers?

While the cost of regular Ammunition (Remington, Winchester, and Federal) are going down in price.

Cost of Reloading 500 = $126.00
Cost of Buying 500 = Remington UMC (50 Pack) $150.00
Winchester $135.00 Sellier & Bellot $140.00 Remington UMC (Bulk) $120.00

Is anyone else out there seeing a drop in the practicality of the recreational re-loader for range and general use? I used to see a 40.00 - 60.00 savings per 500. Now it is 25 - 30 Savings.

Colorado4Wheel
10-30-2010, 21:06
Dude that sucks. Glad I pay $35 per 1K for my 9mm stuff.

GioaJack
10-30-2010, 21:09
One word solution... CAST.


Jack

Colorado4Wheel
10-30-2010, 21:13
+ ING

and

Free Lead

XDRoX
10-30-2010, 21:43
I don't even cast and I load 500 rounds for around $60. I'm not sure how you're figuring $126 per 500. My wife has better shopping skills than that.:rofl:

shotgunred
10-30-2010, 21:45
Has anyone else noticed that your re-loading costs for 9mm are going up for individual bullets, powder, and primers?


Cost of Reloading 500 = $126.00
Cost of Buying 500 = Remington UMC (50 Pack) $150.00
Winchester $135.00 Sellier & Bellot $140.00 Remington UMC (Bulk) $120.00



I am paying $110 to 112 per K for 9MM. You are paying more than double that. PD bullets from them, primers local, tightgroup local. the price will go down when I work my way through the primers I bought at $34 a K.

Boxerglocker
10-30-2010, 21:50
I don't find this to be true at all... not in my area anyways.

You appear to be paying way too much IMO for your loading components at $126 for 500 rounds reloaded cost.

I started this thread a couple of weeks ago and alot of people chimed in stating thier current costs.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1277843

I load 9mm FMJ at $107 a thousand, but my last purchase of Wolf primers at $18 got me to break the $100 a K mark. I could save yet another $14 a K by buying Bear Creek 9mm 125 RN moly coated lead bullets from a local distributer in our club. That would get me down to $86 a K.

XDRoX
10-30-2010, 21:53
Maybe the OP doesn't like to pick up brass, so he's figuring the cost of new brass into his numbers:rofl:

Boxerglocker
10-30-2010, 22:07
Maybe the OP doesn't like to pick up brass, so he's figuring the cost of new brass into his numbers:rofl:

I just think he doesn't take advantage of bulk buying. Even just #4 pounds of powder, 5K in primers and 2K in bullets at a time would get him double his current $126 for 500 in savings costs.

MrVvrroomm
10-30-2010, 22:07
You're paying too much for individual components.

OkieGunNut
10-30-2010, 22:12
It costs me $25.00 per five hundred 9mm rounds. I know, I know; but, that's all it costs me.

fourrobert13
10-30-2010, 22:55
I'de suggest the OP find a new place to buy components. I load a K of 40 cheaper than his 500 9mm. My advice...buy it cheap and stack it deep!

fredj338
10-31-2010, 00:31
I just think he doesn't take advantage of bulk buying. Even just #4 pounds of powder, 5K in primers and 2K in bullets at a time would get him double his current $126 for 500 in savings costs.


This is exactly right. Buying any kind of bulk is gonna save you. Even buying 2K bullets, 5K primers & 4# of powder allows me to load 9mm for right @ $100/1K rounds. I just got primers from Graf's @ $26/1K shipped including the HM fee.:dunno: So shop a bit better & you can easily beat $126/500.:wow:

dudel
10-31-2010, 04:42
OP should try shopping for components as much as he tries shopping at Walmart. My cost per 1000 is way lower than his number. Plus, for me it's about availability. Stock up on component, and you have ammo while the shelves are empty. Wasn't too long ago people were moaning about no ammo on the shelves. You think it won't happen again?

WiskyT
10-31-2010, 06:03
I don't think the OP has ever reloaded. I'd couldn't spend that much on components if I tried.

IndyGunFreak
10-31-2010, 06:14
I just think he doesn't take advantage of bulk buying. Even just #4 pounds of powder, 5K in primers and 2K in bullets at a time would get him double his current $126 for 500 in savings costs.

Exactly...

The OP is either paying WAY to much for components, or he's not buying in enough bulk to offset shipping/hazmat charges. I'm running right around 115 per k on 9mm... so there's something not right with what the OP is paying.

IGF

dudel
10-31-2010, 06:24
Exactly...

The OP is either paying WAY to much for components, or he's not buying in enough bulk to offset shipping/hazmat charges. I'm running right around 115 per k on 9mm... so there's something not right with what the OP is paying.

IGF

Or, he's putting a dollar value on an hour of their time. Same old argument. If walmart is less expensive for the OP, then by all means, they should get their ammo there.

More components for the rest of us.

However, I have noticed prices coming down though. 100 rounds of Federal 9mm for $20. That puts it at $100/1000. Some interesting deals on 45ACP as well. Of course, that's just the bulk plinking stuff. I'd like to see some of the good SD stuff (Hornady, Speer, Corbon) come down. It's still at crazy prices.

Things got tight, ammo makers ramped up, supply is hitting us, prices come down. It's the way of the world. It will swing the other way eventually. Make your plans now.

wanderinwalker
10-31-2010, 06:37
I don't think the OP has ever reloaded. I'd couldn't spend that much on components if I tried.

Maybe he's ordering online in small batches and paying the HazMat on that? Using new brass and Hornady XTP bullets as a comparison to plinking ammo? Factoring a whole pound of powder in the 500 price?

And I will say, my LGS's are still charging hefty primer prices, like $40/1000 for regular small pistol primers! :wow: If I hadn't just had a car repair, I would probably buy even 5k online and pay the HM, because it would still be cheaper. Luckily it's gunshow season, so I know I will be able to pick up a couple thousand primers cheaper at one of them.

But to the OP, BUY IN BULK! You'll save a bundle. And shop around. Berry's plated bullets work well in 9mm, and can be found for $70-75 per 1000 with shipping. I don't know you're location, but locally even 4-lb jugs of pistol powder can be had for $80 and will load about 5600 rounds of 9mm, costing $0.014 a round. Primers are a sticking point, but even those can be found cheaper.

WiskyT
10-31-2010, 07:00
Maybe he's ordering online in small batches and paying the HazMat on that? Using new brass and Hornady XTP bullets as a comparison to plinking ammo? Factoring a whole pound of powder in the 500 price?

And I will say, my LGS's are still charging hefty primer prices, like $40/1000 for regular small pistol primers! :wow: If I hadn't just had a car repair, I would probably buy even 5k online and pay the HM, because it would still be cheaper. Luckily it's gunshow season, so I know I will be able to pick up a couple thousand primers cheaper at one of them.

But to the OP, BUY IN BULK! You'll save a bundle. And shop around. Berry's plated bullets work well in 9mm, and can be found for $70-75 per 1000 with shipping. I don't know you're location, but locally even 4-lb jugs of pistol powder can be had for $80 and will load about 5600 rounds of 9mm, costing $0.014 a round. Primers are a sticking point, but even those can be found cheaper.


So he's savy enough to reload and use GTalk, but it never occured to him to use places like Widener's or MidwayUSA?

wanderinwalker
10-31-2010, 07:33
So he's savy enough to reload and use GTalk, but it never occured to him to use places like Widener's or MidwayUSA?

Maybe a misplaced decimal or a wrong integer? I think all of our replies suggest he could hit 1000 rounds for $126 (or less) reloaded. :dunno: That price would compare to 500 rounds of new factory ammo.

Seriously, I spend enough time at work making corrections where people wanted 123 quantity of A and 123 of B but calculated it all on A and got 246. It looks like a mathematical error to me.

WiskyT
10-31-2010, 07:59
Maybe a misplaced decimal or a wrong integer? I think all of our replies suggest he could hit 1000 rounds for $126 (or less) reloaded. :dunno: That price would compare to 500 rounds of new factory ammo.

Seriously, I spend enough time at work making corrections where people wanted 123 quantity of A and 123 of B but calculated it all on A and got 246. It looks like a mathematical error to me.

Yes, that could be. Or, he could be a troll trying to start the old "Is it worth it to reload?" argument. It's not quite as virulent as the "Handloads for self defense" or "Glock vs 1911". We get a troll in this sub-forum every few weeks and we are about due. Generally, when a low post count guy comes in for the first time and syas something obviously wrong, and then doesn't follow up, I get a little suspicious. Okay, I get a lot suspicious.

fredj338
10-31-2010, 10:31
I don't think the OP has ever reloaded. I'd couldn't spend that much on components if I tried.
Yes you could WT. I've got primers I'll sell you for $120/1K! There, you are half way to $252/1k 9mm ammo.:whistling:
I think the OP may be making the mistake everyone does, not amortizing their brass cost. Sure, you buy new components evrey time, it's gonna cost you what factory does, maybe more. Reload the case 20X, theamoritized cost is $0.
However, I have noticed prices coming down though. 100 rounds of Federal 9mm for $20. That puts it at $100/1000. Some interesting deals on 45ACP as well. Of course, that's just the bulk plinking stuff. I'd like to see some of the good SD stuff (Hornady, Speer, Corbon) come down. It's still at crazy prices.
Now I know that is a typo, last time I looked, 100X10was still 1000. At $200/1K, it's still way cheaper to load 9mm.:wow:

ron59
10-31-2010, 10:38
If you're paying $126 for 500, I have only one thing to say:
You're doing it wrong.

I'm paying about $140 for ONE THOUSAND rounds, and that's using the more expensive MG 147gr bullet. It would probably be around $125 (less?) if I was loading a 115grainer.

As has been said... you must be buying components locally. The only way to *save* is to buy in bulk online. And by bulk, I mean 10,000 primers in one order. 8 pounds of powder, preferably ordered *with* the primers.

Same with bullets. Yeah, I could buy 1000 Montanta Gold bullets at a time, but you don't see the savings there until you buy a case of them (3000 in my case). More specifically, if I order 1000, it costs $122. So if I ordered 3000 separately (in units of 1000 each time), it would cost me $366. But instead, if I order 3000 AT ONCE, it's only $305. There's $61 in savings right there alone. You MUST do your research, and order in amounts large enough to actually see the savings.

When I calculate my costs, I do include the Hazmat fee, shipping costs, everything.

dbarry
10-31-2010, 15:21
$125/1000 for me w/ 115gr Berry's bullets.

$6.25 for a box of 50. Way cheaper than any factory ammo...

cole
10-31-2010, 20:03
You're paying too much for individual components.

This. I still reload 9mm (FMJ) and .45acp (lead) for under $100/1k.

OP: Remember this phrase: "Bulk buy to save"... 'Bulk buy to save"... "Bulk buy to save"...

chris in va
10-31-2010, 22:08
Let's see here...
1k primers...$34
Brass...free
Bullets...cast my own, but wheelweights are getting scarce. I'll say $10
Powder...$15 (1500 rounds per pound)

So thats $59/1k rounds.

fredj338
10-31-2010, 22:19
Let's see here...
1k primers...$34
Brass...free
Bullets...cast my own, but wheelweights are getting scarce. I'll say $10
Powder...$15 (1500 rounds per pound)

So thats $59/1k rounds.

Not fair quoting DIY bullets Chris, most guys but their own. I hear you though, free alloy, a little time & yo ucan shoot 45acp about as cheap as 22lr anymore.:dunno:

IndyGunFreak
10-31-2010, 22:20
I'd like to get into casting, but I just get the feeling that in about 2-3yrs, lead will be harder to come by.

XDRoX
10-31-2010, 22:59
I'd like to get into casting, but I just get the feeling that in about 2-3yrs, lead will be harder to come by.

Same here. Especially in CA.

dudel
11-01-2010, 02:32
Same here. Especially in CA.

All the more reason to stock up on lead. If it turns out you don't cast, you'll still have something of value to sell off to those who do.

fredj338
11-01-2010, 09:26
All the more reason to stock up on lead. If it turns out you don't cast, you'll still have something of value to sell off to those who do.
Exactly! I t doesn't go bad, takes up very little space & if you decide NAH, just sell it off. You can store 1200# in about 10cuft.

MrOldLude
11-01-2010, 12:59
Exactly! I t doesn't go bad, takes up very little space & if you decide NAH, just sell it off. You can store 1200# in about 10cuft.
Oooh, math. If you're filling up exactly 10ft^3 with pure lead, you would have about 7100 pounds. 6 ft^3 would be closer to 1200 pounds. :D

Wash-ar15
11-01-2010, 13:07
$125/1000 for me w/ 115gr Berry's bullets.

$6.25 for a box of 50. Way cheaper than any factory ammo...

At the last gunshow I attended,they had magtech 115gr for 180k. The 9mm cartridge is in my experience,the lowest returning round to reload. Load 40/45 and you save a lot more compared to factory

fredj338
11-01-2010, 13:24
Oooh, math. If you're filling up exactly 10ft^3 with pure lead, you would have about 7100 pounds. 6 ft^3 would be closer to 1200 pounds. :D
Well I did say about, it would certainly depend on the ingot shape one chooses.. My, point, it doesn't take up much space.:upeyes:

fredj338
11-01-2010, 13:26
At the last gunshow I attended,they had magtech 115gr for 180k. The 9mm cartridge is in my experience,the lowest returning round to reload. Load 40/45 and you save a lot more compared to factory
Still, your handloads will be of better quality for 50% of the cost, well worth the minor effort.:dunno: While I would not buy a reloading setup just for 9mm, if you load for soemthing else, the cost is dies & shell holder.

GioaJack
11-01-2010, 13:26
Oooh, math. If you're filling up exactly 10ft^3 with pure lead, you would have about 7100 pounds. 6 ft^3 would be closer to 1200 pounds. :D


What's with this new found fascination for math? Isn't sex a lot easier with no need for a pencil or calculator.

Of course there was that one time with Miss Reynolds, the 12th grade teacher, and the black board erasers. Boy that was a night to... oops, sorry, nevermind. :whistling:

How much did you say that stuff would way? :dunno:


Jack

sig2009
11-01-2010, 16:53
Same here. Especially in CA.

Living in CA in 2 to 3 years will be harder is what I think you meant to say.

WiskyT
11-01-2010, 17:02
Oooh, math. If you're filling up exactly 10ft^3 with pure lead, you would have about 7100 pounds. 6 ft^3 would be closer to 1200 pounds. :D

I think you need to get some new ludes and check that math.

fredj338
11-01-2010, 17:31
Living in CA in 2 to 3 years will be harder is what I think you meant to say.

It's hard to live here now, in 2-3yrs it's going to get impossible!:crying:

njl
11-01-2010, 19:33
This is exactly right. Buying any kind of bulk is gonna save you. Even buying 2K bullets, 5K primers & 4# of powder allows me to load 9mm for right @ $100/1K rounds. I just got primers from Graf's @ $26/1K shipped including the HM fee.:dunno: So shop a bit better & you can easily beat $126/500.:wow:

Cheap primers from Grafs?!? What brand (CCI?) and what year did you order them?

njl
11-01-2010, 19:35
BTW...as a reloader, you can tell the economy's getting better because more people seem to be leaving more good brass on the ground. Either that, or I've just good string of found brass luck.

fredj338
11-01-2010, 22:52
Cheap primers from Grafs?!? What brand (CCI?) and what year did you order them?
Yep CCI, $109/5K + HM of $25. I ordered them in March. I did not need them, but I knew it would take this long.:whistling: Still waiting on CCI SP. Stuff is becoming more available. I see my local shop has full shelves of primers, but @ $40/1K + 9.5% ST, he can keep em.

njl
11-01-2010, 22:58
Yep CCI, $109/5K + HM of $25. I ordered them in March. I did not need them, but I knew it would take this long.:whistling: Still waiting on CCI SP. Stuff is becoming more available. I see my local shop has full shelves of primers, but @ $40/1K + 9.5% ST, he can keep em.

Yeah...I ordered 10k SP and 10k LP in May, and haven't seen any of them yet. I ended up buying some at a higher price from Wideners because they had them and I needed some to hold me over til Grafs can fill my order.

wanderinwalker
11-02-2010, 15:48
BTW...as a reloader, you can tell the economy's getting better because more people seem to be leaving more good brass on the ground. Either that, or I've just good string of found brass luck.

I've noticed this too! And it's not even 9mm brass either (though I keep hoping... :crying: ). I found piles of .45, .44 Magnum, .460 S&W, .40 S&W, .38 Special and .357 Magnum the other day. Somebody spent more on Saturday ammo than I paid for my last new gun! :wow: (Used S&W M-19 FWIW) And one of the local PDs or Sheriff's or Troopers qualified a couple of weeks ago, too bad it was all crimped Federal .223 brass.

ron59
11-02-2010, 16:23
A pet peeve of mine:

Dude starts a thread... it's now 2 pages long and he hasn't come back and re-posted anything on it yet.

Loser

dudel
11-02-2010, 16:36
A pet peeve of mine:

Dude starts a thread... it's now 2 pages long and he hasn't come back and re-posted anything on it yet.

Loser

Or a troll.

WiskyT
11-02-2010, 16:45
Or a troll.



Yes, that could be. Or, he could be a troll trying to start the old "Is it worth it to reload?" argument. It's not quite as virulent as the "Handloads for self defense" or "Glock vs 1911". We get a troll in this sub-forum every few weeks and we are about due. Generally, when a low post count guy comes in for the first time and syas something obviously wrong, and then doesn't follow up, I get a little suspicious. Okay, I get a lot suspicious.

:wavey:

GlockUniverse
11-03-2010, 18:04
:wavey:
I apologize for not replying until today, I have not been home to check my messages for the past few days, but I have read the ENTIRE thread and now I realize where my calculations have gone wrong. I missed the savings from re-using brass and I do not purchase in a large enough bulk to have the maximum savings possible. I also do not want to cast my own because my auto pistol (Glock) is not friendly to large amount of cast ammunition without lots of cleaning while at the range. I would also like to say I resent the fact that people were calling me a troll, I am new to firearms, re-loading, GlockTalk, the overall cost savings and the best way to go about things. I truly took everything said here in all seriousness and re-calculated all of my totals for reloading to $160.00 from my local Cabelas and $147.00 (without shipping) from MidwayUSA.

So once again I apologize for not replying until today, and I say again I am no troll just a new guy trying to get the hang of things.

GioaJack
11-03-2010, 18:15
I apologize for not replying until today, I have not been home to check my messages for the past few days, but I have read the ENTIRE thread and now I realize where my calculations have gone wrong. I missed the savings from re-using brass and I do not purchase in a large enough bulk to have the maximum savings possible. I also do not want to cast my own because my auto pistol (Glock) is not friendly to large amount of cast ammunition without lots of cleaning while at the range. I would also like to say I resent the fact that people were calling me a troll, I am new to firearms, re-loading, GlockTalk, the overall cost savings and the best way to go about things. I truly took everything said here in all seriousness and re-calculated all of my totals for reloading to $160.00 from my local Cabelas and $147.00 (without shipping) from MidwayUSA.

So once again I apologize for not replying until today, and I say again I am no troll just a new guy trying to get the hang of things.


Don't worry, you'll learn, it just takes a while. Hell if it was easy anyone could do it, including IndyGunFreak and Wisky.

Hey, wait a minute... huh, apparently this stuff is easier than I thought. :whistling:


Jack

Boxerglocker
11-03-2010, 18:17
I apologize for not replying until today, I have not been home to check my messages for the past few days, but I have read the ENTIRE thread and now I realize where my calculations have gone wrong. I missed the savings from re-using brass and I do not purchase in a large enough bulk to have the maximum savings possible. I also do not want to cast my own because my auto pistol (Glock) is not friendly to large amount of cast ammunition without lots of cleaning while at the range. I would also like to say I resent the fact that people were calling me a troll, I am new to firearms, re-loading, GlockTalk, the overall cost savings and the best way to go about things. I truly took everything said here in all seriousness and re-calculated all of my totals for reloading to $160.00 from my local Cabelas and $147.00 (without shipping) from MidwayUSA.

So once again I apologize for not replying until today, and I say again I am no troll just a new guy trying to get the hang of things.


You can do lots better by going to Precision Delta for bullets and Powder Valley for primers and powder... even with hazmat and shipping.

njl
11-03-2010, 18:18
GlockUniverse, don't sweat it. Some of these people don't use the bathroom without checking GT for new messages before and after.

To really save any $, you have to:

1) reuse brass...or even better start out with free brass
2) buy in bulk. This means buying bullets and primers a thousand to several thousand at a time, powder 4-8lbs at a time, either at a gun show or combined with primers to either avoid shipping & hazmat or at least get both items on a single hazmat

I saved most of my brass for nearly 10 years before I started reloading...so I have thousands of once (some are twice or three times now) fired brass for 9mm, which is what I shoot most. I'd have more...but for years, my standard ammo was Blazer (aluminum) bought by the case or two or three from Natchez...back before their prices went through the roof.

If you're buying primers a hundred or few at a time, 3/4 - 1lb of powder at a time for $20-$25 a jar, brass and bullets in bags or boxes of 100 at Gander or Bass Pro, you might actually spend more reloading than buying value packs at walmart.

Bought in bulk and with free brass, you can easily load jacketed ammo for less than half what it costs at walmart.

IndyGunFreak
11-03-2010, 19:32
I apologize for not replying until today, I have not been home to check my messages for the past few days, but I have read the ENTIRE thread and now I realize where my calculations have gone wrong. I missed the savings from re-using brass and I do not purchase in a large enough bulk to have the maximum savings possible. I also do not want to cast my own because my auto pistol (Glock) is not friendly to large amount of cast ammunition without lots of cleaning while at the range. I would also like to say I resent the fact that people were calling me a troll, I am new to firearms, re-loading, GlockTalk, the overall cost savings and the best way to go about things. I truly took everything said here in all seriousness and re-calculated all of my totals for reloading to $160.00 from my local Cabelas and $147.00 (without shipping) from MidwayUSA.

So once again I apologize for not replying until today, and I say again I am no troll just a new guy trying to get the hang of things.

Don't sweat the small stuff man, I didn't see anyone call you a troll.. but we're generally a friendly bunch. Keep in mind, even if you don't shoot a whole lot... Brass doesn't expire, so always pick it up, scrounge brass you can, etc..

Best wishes..

IGF

ron59
11-03-2010, 19:38
I apologize for not replying until today, I have not been home to check my messages for the past few days, but I have read the ENTIRE thread and now I realize where my calculations have gone wrong. I missed the savings from re-using brass and I do not purchase in a large enough bulk to have the maximum savings possible. I also do not want to cast my own because my auto pistol (Glock) is not friendly to large amount of cast ammunition without lots of cleaning while at the range. I would also like to say I resent the fact that people were calling me a troll, I am new to firearms, re-loading, GlockTalk, the overall cost savings and the best way to go about things. I truly took everything said here in all seriousness and re-calculated all of my totals for reloading to $160.00 from my local Cabelas and $147.00 (without shipping) from MidwayUSA.

So once again I apologize for not replying until today, and I say again I am no troll just a new guy trying to get the hang of things.

Glad to see you back in the thread, and that our advice wasn't wasted. Sounds like you've found out *why* your costs were high.

Yeah... to get the UTMOST in savings, you really have to buy in bulk, which requires some cash outlay up front. The nice thing is... you don't have to keep paying so much *at the same time*, down the road. You run out of bullets before you run out of powder/primers... then you run out of primers and have to restock, etc.

But if you really enjoy shooting (and do a lot of it), it's the only way to go.

OkieGunNut
11-04-2010, 10:21
http://www.thirdgenerationshootingsupply.com/

This is where I get my powder and primers. Take 20% off because I get it at dealer cost due to my occupation. Then there is about 8% tax.

ron59
11-04-2010, 10:36
http://www.thirdgenerationshootingsupply.com/

This is where I get my powder and primers. Take 20% off because I get it at dealer cost due to my occupation. Then there is about 8% tax.

That site lists Federal primers at $35.00 per 1000. Even with the 20% off you're getting ($7.00), that's still $28 per 1000.

Powder Valley has them for $25.50 per 1000. EVERYBODY gets that price.

Boxerglocker
11-04-2010, 10:36
http://www.thirdgenerationshootingsupply.com/

This is where I get my powder and primers. Take 20% off because I get it at dealer cost due to my occupation. Then there is about 8% tax.

I think you should do a little more research shopping for better buys. Even with your 20% discount, your paying more than what you would at for example PV for primers, plus your paying tax on top of it. The total hazmat is $5 less at your current supplier but on a bulk order of say 10K Federal SPP and 8#'s of powder you still save your hard earned $$$ going to PV.

Boxerglocker
11-04-2010, 10:43
That site lists Federal primers at $35.00 per 1000. Even with the 20% off you're getting ($7.00), that's still $28 per 1000.

Powder Valley has them for $25.50 per 1000. EVERYBODY gets that price.

Just checked 8# of TG is $17.65 more there too...

IndyGunFreak
11-04-2010, 12:00
http://www.thirdgenerationshootingsupply.com/

This is where I get my powder and primers. Take 20% off because I get it at dealer cost due to my occupation. Then there is about 8% tax.

Well, looking at their site, it says there's a "$4.95 flat shipping rate on all orders*" I didn't bother tracking down what the * meant... but I'm guessing if you order 10-15k primers, you're not getting them shipped for 4.95 plus hazmat. Even on Natchezss(which is traditionally on the high end), their Winchester SPP are 29, and that site is 35.

IGF

XDRoX
11-04-2010, 12:11
That site lists Federal primers at $35.00 per 1000. Even with the 20% off you're getting ($7.00), that's still $28 per 1000.

Powder Valley has them for $25.50 per 1000. EVERYBODY gets that price.

Ron, that BG quote in your sig a classic.
If you go back to the original post of it and click on "quote" as if you were to quote him in a thread and copy and paste it into you User CP, it show up as a quote.

ron59
11-04-2010, 12:19
Ron, that BG quote in your sig a classic.
If you go back to the original post of it and click on "quote" as if you were to quote him in a thread and copy and paste it into you User CP, it show up as a quote.

What a brilliant idea! Done.

:rofl:


Thanks

IndyGunFreak
11-04-2010, 12:20
OK.. so cuz I was bored...

On that site OkieGunNut posted.... Appears it really is flat rate... Note, I rounded all these numbers off to keep it simple.(edit.. Whoops, forgot Tax on this one)

25k Winchester SPP... $875+$25(shipping/hazmat)=$900... This is the price for us Mortals..

with his 20% discount it would be $720
$720+$57(tax)= $777

Now Deduct shipping since I'm assuming you Pick them up... and you're about $752.

At Natchezss (again, typically on the high end of the Primer cost scale)

25k Winchester SPP $750+$25(haz)+18(shipping)= $793

Now, on Powder Valley.. PV doesn't have a shipping calculator, so I'm just going to assume it's around the cost of Natchezss at $25

25k Winchester SPP $653(w/ hazmat and insurance) + $25(shipping) = $678.

Okie.. No disrespect, but for someone so frugal they mix powders of rounds they pick up off the ground to reuse, you're not doing a good job of shopping for primers. Unless I was WAY off on PV's shipping(and I don't think I am) you're still not getting a very good price, even w/ your discount.

IGF

IndyGunFreak
11-04-2010, 12:20
Ron, that BG quote in your sig a classic.
If you go back to the original post of it and click on "quote" as if you were to quote him in a thread and copy and paste it into you User CP, it show up as a quote.

Not to mention, if someone clicks the quote in his signature, it will take the reader to the thread where the quote was made.. :whistling: If the thread isn't indexed away anyway.. :).

Come to think of it... It might be time to find a new Jack quote for my sig... So Jack, watch what you say, I'm on the prowl.. :)

IGF

GioaJack
11-04-2010, 12:40
Not to mention, if someone clicks the quote in his signature, it will take the reader to the thread where the quote was made.. :whistling: If the thread isn't indexed away anyway.. :).

Come to think of it... It might be time to find a new Jack quote for my sig... So Jack, watch what you say, I'm on the prowl.. :)

IGF


Actually I've been thinking of adding a line to my sig;

I served our country to defend the Constitution... not a manifesto.

Probably won't do it... I'd hate for people to think I'm contentious. :whistling:


Jack

ron59
11-04-2010, 13:21
Okie.. No disrespect, but for someone so frugal they mix powders of rounds they pick up off the ground to reuse, you're not doing a good job of shopping for primers. Unless I was WAY off on PV's shipping(and I don't think I am) you're still not getting a very good price, even w/ your discount.

IGF The saga just gets funnier and funnier. So, for a guy who's been "reloading for years", calls everybody "Son" because... what... he's so "old and wise" ?

1. He espouses a practice that not one other person defended, but the entire forum derided.
2. With all his experience/knowledge, he pays more for components that anybody else. I guess he thought that 20% discount was making up for the high prices ?

I'm trying to leave the guy alone, because I'm tired of all the bickering... but damn.... he plays a great straight man, huh ?

fredj338
11-04-2010, 13:28
The saga just gets funnier and funnier. So, for a guy who's been "reloading for years", calls everybody "Son" because... what... he's so "old and wise" ?

1. He espouses a practice that not one other person defended, but the entire forum derided.
2. With all his experience/knowledge, he pays more for components that anybody else. I guess he thought that 20% discount was making up for the high prices ?

I'm trying to leave the guy alone, because I'm tired of all the bickering... but damn.... he plays a great straight man, huh ?
He can afford to pay more because he shoots WTF. Weren't you paying attention?:rofl:

ron59
11-04-2010, 13:30
Deleted... I gotta stop the Okie-bashing.

But it's so hard to resist! It's like shooting ducks in a barrel. http://glocktalk.com/forums/images/editor/attach.gif

IndyGunFreak
11-04-2010, 14:56
Actually I've been thinking of adding a line to my sig;

I served our country to defend the Constitution... not a manifesto.

Probably won't do it... I'd hate for people to think I'm contentious. :whistling:


Jack

Eh.. Just send me a PM everytime you post, and I'll post right after you... Then folks when folks read my sig.. they'll realize you're not contentious, you're just delusional.. ;)

IGF

mboylan
11-04-2010, 15:05
I apologize for not replying until today, I have not been home to check my messages for the past few days, but I have read the ENTIRE thread and now I realize where my calculations have gone wrong. I missed the savings from re-using brass and I do not purchase in a large enough bulk to have the maximum savings possible. I also do not want to cast my own because my auto pistol (Glock) is not friendly to large amount of cast ammunition without lots of cleaning while at the range. I would also like to say I resent the fact that people were calling me a troll, I am new to firearms, re-loading, GlockTalk, the overall cost savings and the best way to go about things. I truly took everything said here in all seriousness and re-calculated all of my totals for reloading to $160.00 from my local Cabelas and $147.00 (without shipping) from MidwayUSA.

So once again I apologize for not replying until today, and I say again I am no troll just a new guy trying to get the hang of things.

You need to buy 10k primers and 8# of powder from Powder Valley at the same time. Spreads the HazMat out and gives you a good price.

OkieGunNut
11-04-2010, 18:01
I think some of you have trouble getting the BIG PICTURE. Where is that place located? El Reno, OK. Guess what, I don't pay hazmat or shipping, unless you want to consider the $2.00 dollars in gas should I pick them up on a day I'm not going there anyway. So, you all get back on the short bus, this isn't your stop. What else you got?

IndyGunFreak
11-04-2010, 18:11
I think some of you have trouble getting the BIG PICTURE. Where is that place located? El Reno, OK. Guess what, I don't pay hazmat or shipping, unless you want to consider the $2.00 dollars in gas should I pick them up on a day I'm not going there anyway. So, you all get back on the short bus, this isn't your stop. What else you got?

... I think you need to look at my math again... I deducted shipping and hazmat. It might be my fault though, because I didn't specifically spell out my math for you, I assumed you knew $777-$25=752.

Now Deduct shipping since I'm assuming you Pick them up... and you're about $752.

One of us missed our stop all right...

IndyGunFreak
11-04-2010, 18:26
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/short-bus.jpg

ron59
11-04-2010, 18:42
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/short-bus.jpg

I think I see Okie in the back... LICKING THAT WINDOW !!

Boxerglocker
11-04-2010, 19:01
OK.. so cuz I was bored...

On that site OkieGunNut posted.... Appears it really is flat rate... Note, I rounded all these numbers off to keep it simple.(edit.. Whoops, forgot Tax on this one)

25k Winchester SPP... $875+$25(shipping/hazmat)=$900... This is the price for us Mortals..

with his 20% discount it would be $720
$720+$57(tax)= $777

Now Deduct shipping since I'm assuming you Pick them up... and you're about $752.

At Natchezss (again, typically on the high end of the Primer cost scale)

25k Winchester SPP $750+$25(haz)+18(shipping)= $793

Now, on Powder Valley.. PV doesn't have a shipping calculator, so I'm just going to assume it's around the cost of Natchezss at $25

Oh no see you edited before I got to it... never the less... the irony of it all.


25k Winchester SPP $653(w/ hazmat and insurance) + $25(shipping) = $678.

Okie.. No disrespect, but for someone so frugal they mix powders of rounds they pick up off the ground to reuse, you're not doing a good job of shopping for primers. Unless I was WAY off on PV's shipping(and I don't think I am) you're still not getting a very good price, even w/ your discount.

IGF


Hey Indy... think you forgots Okies state sales tax :whistling:

http://www.thirdgenerationshootingsupply.com/

This is where I get my powder and primers. Take 20% off because I get it at dealer cost due to my occupation. Then there is about 8% tax.

OH no you got it... mistiming on the edit... the irony of it all.

aalmcc4
11-04-2010, 19:11
http://10xshooters.com/calculators/Handgun_Reloading_Cost_Calculator.htm

See the above site to figure your reload costs.

I usually pick up 50-100 (or more) pieces of fresh just fired brass (mostly 9 or 40 each time I go to the range). There's always guys who blast through a few new boxes, packs up, leaves and leaves the brass on the ground.

I've never paid for 9 or 40 brass. (OR 45 acp for that matter either)

OkieGunNut
11-04-2010, 19:19
Now hear this, now hear this. Stop the presses, you will want a print of this: I made a mistake in the figure I gave. I gave the % off I get for the TG powder. I thought something didn't look right; but, it was me giving the figure, right? I pay $137.00 for 5000 WSPM primers. That is $27.40 per thou including tax. That is about $25.20 before tax.
That was painful. So, move on over, I am riding the short bus down a stop or two. Just to remind me what others go through most of the time.
I wish I could have laid it off to being downwind while burning some WTF powder loads. Nope just forgetful and lazy.
Has this thing always had bad shocks?

GioaJack
11-04-2010, 19:28
Now hear this, now hear this. Stop the presses, you will want a print of this: I made a mistake in the figure I gave. I gave the % off I get for the TG powder. I thought something didn't look right; but, it was me giving the figure, right? I pay $137.00 for 5000 WSPM primers. That is $27.40 per thou including tax. That is about $25.20 before tax.
That was painful. So, move on over, I am riding the short bus down a stop or two. Just to remind me what others go through most of the time.
I wish I could have laid it off to being downwind while burning some WTF powder loads. Nope just forgetful and lazy.
Has this thing always had bad shocks?


Okay guys, come on, ya gotta admit that was actually pretty cute.

Oops, commercial's over... Big Bang Theory is back on. (I like her.)


Jack

IndyGunFreak
11-04-2010, 22:08
http://10xshooters.com/calculators/Handgun_Reloading_Cost_Calculator.htm

I've always used this one... http://www.handloads.com/calc/loadingCosts.asp

Doesn't require as much info, and comes up w/ the same stuff..

IGF

IndyGunFreak
11-04-2010, 22:10
Now hear this, now hear this. Stop the presses, you will want a print of this: I made a mistake in the figure I gave. I gave the % off I get for the TG powder. I thought something didn't look right; but, it was me giving the figure, right? I pay $137.00 for 5000 WSPM primers. That is $27.40 per thou including tax. That is about $25.20 before tax.
That was painful. So, move on over, I am riding the short bus down a stop or two. Just to remind me what others go through most of the time.
I wish I could have laid it off to being downwind while burning some WTF powder loads. Nope just forgetful and lazy.
Has this thing always had bad shocks?

Sorry pal, you've been driving the bus this whole thread...

XDRoX
11-04-2010, 22:25
Okay guys, come on, ya gotta admit that was actually pretty cute.

Oops, commercial's over... Big Bang Theory is back on. (I like her.)


Jack

:hearts:

IndyGunFreak
11-05-2010, 04:21
OH no you got it... mistiming on the edit... the irony of it all.

Meh.. If you look, I noticed it about 15min after the post, and certainly well before super genius posted....

The career short bus driver in this thread, apparently had to reformulate his numbers so he didn't look like a dolt.

IGF

ron59
11-05-2010, 04:36
Okay guys, come on, ya gotta admit that was actually pretty cute.

Oops, commercial's over... Big Bang Theory is back on. (I like her.)


Jack

You're right, it was VERY nice to actually see some humbleness from Okie... maybe he can fit in after all if that would become more common.

Big Bang Theory has gotten to be one of my favorite shows. Yeah... she's cute, but those dudes crack me up. Of course, I'm a software engineer, so we have some "geeks" amongst us, but nowhere as funny as them.

Great show. I DVR'ed it last night, haven't watched it yet... that will be tonight's thing to do.

TRIVIA! Did you now that "she" (Kaley Cuoco) and the guy she was dating on the show (Leonard/ Johnny Galecki) dated in REAL LIFE for almost 2 years? They kept it hidden, but she admitted as much in several interviews over the last few months. I saw it on CNN. No lie.

[EDIT: I even looked it up. You can read about it here:
http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/30/big-bang-stars-were-a-real-life-couple/
]

GioaJack
11-05-2010, 09:07
TRIVIA! Did you now that "she" (Kaley Cuoco) and the guy she was dating on the show (Leonard/ Johnny Galecki) dated in REAL LIFE for almost 2 years? They kept it hidden, but she admitted as much in several interviews over the last few months. I saw it on CNN. No lie.


So, she was cheating on me, huh? Ya think I'd be used to it by now.

My favorite is Agent Lisbon on the Mentalist, (Thursday night). There's just something about her that I find very attractive.

I could give careful consideration to her being my next future ex-wife.


Jack

fredj338
11-05-2010, 12:21
Just got a call from Graf's, my CCI Sp primers are in. So shipped to my door for 10K, $243 or $24.30/1K for the math challenged. Locally, that would cost me$43.75/1K. How can I afford NOT to internet order?

IndyGunFreak
11-05-2010, 12:28
Just got a call from Graf's, my CCI Sp primers are in. So shipped to my door for 10K, $243 or $24.30/1K for the math challenged. Locally, that would cost me$43.75/1K. How can I afford NOT to internet order?

You were waiting on those quite a while weren't you?

IGF

PCJim
11-05-2010, 13:29
When I make a trip to the local WallyWorld, I usually stroll past the ammo case just to see how the general public feels about their 2nd amendment rights being restricted or removed by the Obamacrats. It's a nice feeling to see the case pretty much full, well stocked. I guess the 2009 panic is passing.

What I did notice the other day was some Tula manufactured ammunition. Yes, it now appears Walmart is sourcing from the Ruskies as well as the Chinese. Even more shocking was Tula .223 coated steel cased 55gr ammo being sold in 20 rd boxes for $4.99. My math puts that, after the 7% the the local government surcharge, at just under 27 cents per round.

Gents, that is getting pretty inexpensive for .223 rounds. My reloading cost is just under 19 cents per round with RPU brass, so I'll still continue to reload the caliber. I just now expect that those brass casings will become much more scarce at the range.

fredj338
11-05-2010, 13:42
You were waiting on those quite a while weren't you?

IGF
Same March order date.:dunno:

Boxerglocker
11-05-2010, 13:44
What I did notice the other day was some Tula manufactured ammunition. Yes, it now appears Walmart is sourcing from the Ruskies as well as the Chinese. Even more shocking was Tula .223 coated steel cased 55gr ammo being sold in 20 rd boxes for $4.99. My math puts that, after the 7% the the local government surcharge, at just under 27 cents per round.

Not really surprising, Wally World with buy from the lowest supplier in any and all cases... that is thier way.

IndyGunFreak
11-05-2010, 13:48
When I make a trip to the local WallyWorld, I usually stroll past the ammo case just to see how the general public feels about their 2nd amendment rights being restricted or removed by the Obamacrats. It's a nice feeling to see the case pretty much full, well stocked. I guess the 2009 panic is passing.

What I did notice the other day was some Tula manufactured ammunition. Yes, it now appears Walmart is sourcing from the Ruskies as well as the Chinese. Even more shocking was Tula .223 coated steel cased 55gr ammo being sold in 20 rd boxes for $4.99. My math puts that, after the 7% the the local government surcharge, at just under 27 cents per round.

Gents, that is getting pretty inexpensive for .223 rounds. My reloading cost is just under 19 cents per round with RPU brass, so I'll still continue to reload the caliber. I just now expect that those brass casings will become much more scarce at the range.

Wal Mart will get in bed w/ anyone they can make a profit off of.. ;) Gotta love America!

I think one of their bigger reasons for going w/ Tula, was the supply issues that Winchester, etc.. were facing this year. You can bet bringing Tula to Wal Mart, was being worked on when ammo was so scarce not to long ago. Had they been able to keep Winchester, etc.. in stock... they likely wouldn't have ever picked up Tula (or they may have, who knows)...

hatidua
11-05-2010, 13:55
Wasn't too long ago people were moaning about no ammo on the shelves. You think it won't happen again?

I'm fairly certain that we can count on that reoccurring! -I'm not sure when, but it's why I stock up when I see a deal now.

shotgunred
11-05-2010, 14:38
Just got a call from Graf's, my CCI Sp primers are in. So shipped to my door for 10K, $243 or $24.30/1K for the math challenged. Locally, that would cost me$43.75/1K. How can I afford NOT to internet order?

Good thing. Don't you have to get them before February and limits start. Or is that just cartridges..

XDRoX
11-05-2010, 15:18
Good thing. Don't you have to get them before February and limits start. Or is that just cartridges..

The limits things got thrown out. Come Feb we will not be able to order handgun cartridges online. Components are still OK, and there aren't any limits on anything.

IndyGunFreak
11-05-2010, 15:22
The limits things got thrown out. Come Feb we will not be able to order handgun cartridges online. Components are still OK, and there aren't any limits on anything.

YGBSM! That's just unbelievable. I'm guessing your politicians were upset about not collecting the taxes on those sales. Now, you're going to be at the mercy of your localities prices..

I feel for you guys there...

XD.. Surely there's schools in Az, UT, or even CO that are hiring? I know where there's a room available in CO.. ;)

IGF

fredj338
11-05-2010, 16:22
The limits things got thrown out. Come Feb we will not be able to order handgun cartridges online. Components are still OK, and there aren't any limits on anything.
For now! Look for the new regime to consider lost revenue, plus their unabashed hatered of anything gun related, they'll "fix" that little loophole within a year or two. Time to move, time to move, time to move. I keep trying to talk myself into selling the house & getting to Montana or some other state where the residents have IQs above 30!:faint:

GioaJack
11-05-2010, 16:55
For now! Look for the new regime to consider lost revenue, plus their unabashed hatered of anything gun related, they'll "fix" that little loophole within a year or two. Time to move, time to move, time to move. I keep trying to talk myself into selling the house & getting to Montana or some other state where the residents have IQs above 30!:faint:


Pretty much rules out Indiana, New York and New Jersey... oh hell, lets throw in Washington state too. :couch:


Jack

OkieGunNut
11-05-2010, 18:44
"The career short bus driver in this thread, apparently had to reformulate his numbers so he didn't look like a dolt."
If you were refering to me, IGF, then I would have to point out that I was merely stating the correct facts after having posted incorrect ones. I don't have a problem admitting my errors. I don't even mind others pointing out the ones I don't notice as that way I can do something about them.
Purchased a lb of BL-C2 for $17.38 and a box of Sierra .308 150gr FP for $19.60 plus 8.8% tax. Total $40.25. Why not use some rifle WTF powder? Well, the 30-30 loads are for my father-in-law. Since I don't have the gun I went with something proven to work in any firearm.

Bob2223
11-05-2010, 19:37
For now! Look for the new regime to consider lost revenue, plus their unabashed hatered of anything gun related, they'll "fix" that little loophole within a year or two. Time to move, time to move, time to move. I keep trying to talk myself into selling the house & getting to Montana or some other state where the residents have IQs above 30!:faint:


Pretty much rules out Indiana, New York and New Jersey... oh hell, lets throw in Washington state too.


Jack:fred:

:chatter:


Bob

PCJim
11-05-2010, 20:21
Fred, Florida is a gun friendly, mild climate state. As long as you stay away from the WPB area (can we say, butterfly ballots and hanging chads?), you won't be surrounded with low IQ types.

IndyGunFreak
11-05-2010, 21:04
For now! Look for the new regime to consider lost revenue, plus their unabashed hatered of anything gun related, they'll "fix" that little loophole within a year or two. Time to move, time to move, time to move. I keep trying to talk myself into selling the house & getting to Montana or some other state where the residents have IQs above 30!:faint:

Given what I've read about Montana, it sure sounds appealing. Alaska also.

I love the cold, but being from California, that might be quite an adjustment for you.

IGF

fredj338
11-05-2010, 21:45
Given what I've read about Montana, it sure sounds appealing. Alaska also.

I love the cold, but being from California, that might be quite an adjustment for you.

IGF
Not really. I grew up here in the Tehacahpi mountains, 4000ft at the valley, we got snow 6-8x a year, cold all winter, into the low teens. Still have the family house there, go up every month to shoot & hang w/ friends. Not quite like Montana, I've been there when it's well below zero, but I have prop in Helen valley, same 4000ft, snow doesn't stay but it is cold. I would actually love it! Today it was 95 here! I get bored wearing shorts & sandles everyday.:tongueout: