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Agent6-3/8
10-30-2010, 22:50
As the title says, when it comes to production guns in the $1000 or less range whats the odds of getting a 1911 that is "correct" out of the box?. By correct, I mean one that you don't have to polish, buff, tweak, try different mags, etc.

Although I'm a big 1911 fan, I only own two. One is a SA Mil-Spec that required a new slide stop out of the gate to get it to lock back on an empty mag. Otherwise, its been an extremely dependable gun with 6000 trouble free rounds through it. My other is a Kimber Pro TLE that has been less than stellar.

wrx04
10-30-2010, 23:10
FWIW, I have a new STI Trojan with 600 rounds through it that has been perfect with 4 different types of mags (Wilson, ACT, Kimber, McCormick). Gun cost $999.00.

Quack
10-30-2010, 23:34
FWIW, I have a new STI Trojan with 600 rounds through it that has been perfect with 4 different types of mags (Wilson, ACT, Kimber, McCormick). Gun cost $999.00.

didn't you have to send it back?

FWIW, only 2 of my 1911's have had issues. the EMP just needed the extractor tension adjusted, which i did at the range. my STI Edge need the mags tuned (mainly the feed ramps adjusted), which i did myself as well.

wrx04
10-30-2010, 23:40
didn't you have to send it back?

FWIW, only 2 of my 1911's have had issues. the EMP just needed the extractor tension adjusted, which i did at the range. my STI Edge need the mags tuned (mainly the feed ramps adjusted), which i did myself as well.

:supergrin: Actually i did.....before i even shot it. The barrel bushing was WAY too tight. It probably wouldn't have been a problem shooting, but i couldn't get the damn thing apart to clean/lube it.

Since i have shot it, it has been OK. I didnt even think about having to send it back......functionally it has been good.

It was torture having to wait 2 weeks to shoot my brand new gun.

domyalex
10-31-2010, 01:11
STI Spartan (9mm) and no issues up to now (~120 rnds).... [knock on wood]


My G22 had more failures (rounds getting stuck at an angle trying to enter the chamber). Gosh I hated that gun...

lascottk
10-31-2010, 01:51
Over 1,000 rounds, zero failures. No problems at all. I don't know if I got lucky or not but this has been an awesome gun. Especially for $500.00 out the door.

bac1023
10-31-2010, 04:46
I've had very few problems with any of my 1911s under $1000.

samuse
10-31-2010, 05:36
I've had very few problems with any of my 1911s under $1000.


Bac is a lucky dude. My experience has been the complete opposite.

Every 1911 I've had that was under about $1800 was a clunker. Hell I've also had a Rock River and a Baer that were reliable but cosmetically defective.

1911s are a gamble, you have to really like the platform to put up with it. When you get a properly tuned 1911, it'll run for a long time with good mags and ammo. IME, a mag/ammo sensitive 1911 has other issues.

Brucev
10-31-2010, 05:51
What are the odds of gettng a good 1911? It can be done without spending a wheelbarrow of cash. I bought a SA Mil-Spec. in .45 ACP late last year used as new for $400 OTD with 68 rounds of mixed ammo thrown in by the gunshop owner. Had a single hiccup w/ one of the particularly nasty rounds. No other problems at all in over 1,000 rounds. POA is POI. Groups into less than 2 inches at 15 yds. from a two-handed hold. Good trigger... could be better, but right now it will do just fine. Fit and finish are excellent.

GJ1981
10-31-2010, 06:45
I don't know about odds of not having issues out-of-the-box with 1911's anymore. With production models you have to be concerned with someone rushing to meet numbers, so small things can be missed. You have to also worry about parts being fitted right and being of a decent quality.

I'm not saying there will be problems but just that there are many factors to consider. The mags are a big thing, cheaper pistols = cheaper mags and ANY pistol needs a quality magazine to run right.

I had a 3" Kimber that ran great, and I have a $2500 1911 that's been returned twice and still chokes on ball ammo.

I really question about price tags having much meaning given my recent issues. I trusted the extra $ wasn't just for fluff and everything would be set-up/checked before it got to me.

Rinspeed
10-31-2010, 08:02
By correct, I mean one that you don't have to polish, buff, tweak, try different mags, etc.




The magazine is the most important component for any 1911 to run 100%. It's no wonder so many people have problems when they think an $8 mag, which a lot of the lower end 1911s come with, should work just fine for them. :dunno:

Bai Qui
10-31-2010, 08:20
The only 1911 I have is a Dan Wesson CBOB. Haven't had one issue in the first 700 rounds. Just bought an STI Escort, see if I have the same results when that one shows up.

Agent6-3/8
10-31-2010, 08:41
The magazine is the most important component for any 1911 to run 100%. It's no wonder so many people have problems when they think an $8 mag, which a lot of the lower end 1911s come with, should work just fine for them. :dunno:

Very true. I use Wilson 47's or ETM's for the most part. My favorites as still some CMC Shooting Star bodies with Tripp Super 7 kits.

H&K .45 AUTO
10-31-2010, 08:50
I'm hoping that my luck with 1911's continues with the Colt I just purchased. I've owned a very early prototype DW Pointman in 10mm, a Thompson Auto Ordnance in 10mm, and a S&W Commander length lightweight. No issues with any of them whatsoever.

Hokie1911
10-31-2010, 09:07
I've only heard of 2 guys having issues with new STIs. Both were Trojans and STI quickly remedied the issues.

rsxr22
10-31-2010, 09:18
No one here can guarantee any gun you buy to run flawlessly out of the box. But there are companies and models with better reps than others. I think STI's Spartan and Trojan are the two best options for introductory range and mid range production. The Lawman is also about $100 more than the Trojan if you dont like the front strap checkering on the trojan

GVFlyer
10-31-2010, 10:00
I have only one less than a $1,000 1911, a Remington R1. It is cosmetically perfect and has been a rock solid performer. The trigger initially had a lot of "creep", but after a bunch of shooting, has smoothed out.

CAcop
10-31-2010, 10:24
I have bought 3 Colt's and 1 Springer for under $1000.

A Colt XSE would lock open without the slide lock until I changed out the one piece full length guide rod with a GI set up. Go figure it runs better the way it was meant to be.

The Springer broke an extractor early on but that was a quick fix. I didn't even have to "tune" the extractor to get it to work.

I am sure if I had spent another $500 for a low end custom gun I probably would not have had these problems but they were easily fixed by me for far less than $500.

One gun I did have a lot of work done to it and I regret it now. I probably could have done half the work and had a better gun. It is why I am not too thrilled with custom guns. That said one of these days I am going have a pistol made from the ground up the way I want it.

Ebb27
10-31-2010, 10:44
I've never had any trouble with NIB 1911s, the ones I've bought over the years worked great, although a couple did need a break-in period but worked great after a couple hundred rounds.


Now the used ones are another story. Lots of problems but these always traced back to somebody tweaking, polishing, or swapping out the factory parts and generally boogering up what was probably a good gun.

It's gotten to the point where I won't buy a used 1911 unless I'm getting one hell of a deal.

FLIPPER 348
10-31-2010, 11:21
As the title says, ....
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the title should be what 'are' the odds

I've only bought three 1911s, all under $1000, a Springfield mil-spec Operator, a Taurus PT 1911 when they 1st came out and a S&W 1911 Sc. All worked just fine. The Sc had trouble 3000 rounds later but I fixed it myself. I build my own now so I'm my own QC and CS dept.

jrs93accord
10-31-2010, 11:33
I've had very few problems with any of my 1911s under $1000.

Same here and I have several.

bunk22
10-31-2010, 11:50
I've bought one 1911, my Kimber Ultra Carry II .45 ACP and immediately after, I read all the bad stuff about the 3" .45's and thought, maybe I made a mistake. It had some growing pains during the break-in period with 7 FTF's in the first 500-600 rounds. I now have 1700 rounds and it shoots everything I put through it. The gun's sticker price was $800 but I got it for under $300 with a trade in. At first I was worried but no worries now, it is my daily CCW. I only use Kimber Protac mags as well. Compare that to my Glock 36 that just got worse with the more rounds put through it. In about 500 rounds, I had around 40-50 FTF's, FTE, vertical and horizontal stovepipes. Sold it after one month.

BuckyP
10-31-2010, 13:34
Several years back, I won a Colt 1991A1. In its stock config, it ran flawless with all types of ammo. I've since had EGW rework it, but it ran just fine out of the box. Pretty sure that gun comes in at under $1000, much less back when I got mine.

To date, the most problematic gun out of the box for me was a GLOCK 35. :dunno:

Jim S.
10-31-2010, 15:01
I have 2 S.A. Mil-Specs and 3 cheap Colts that are all perfectly functional and reliable.
I do not expect to have a problem with a gun even though it is a cheaper model.
That's not saying I don't make improvements to them but they had better work good before I begin making changes to them.

FM12
10-31-2010, 15:10
I've owned about a dozen 1911 types, including new out of the box Gold Cups. Never a problem with any of them, all shot well, reliably and accurately. So, I'd say the odds for me were 100%, and pretty good for everyone else too. Love the S&W 108284 really well right now anyway!!

1time
10-31-2010, 15:24
I have 5 and am at 60%. To be fair, the two that won't run were used and I have no idea what was done to them prior to me buying them. They are also both over 10 years old. My used SA GI is perfect as is my RIA CS and STI Trojan. I think almost of them are reliable these days.

ctfireman
10-31-2010, 20:02
All 3 of mine are under $1000 & all perfect.

rvrctyrngr
10-31-2010, 20:21
The only 1911 I've had a major issue with was the Colt LW Commander XSE I bought last year. A complete POS, even after a trip back to Colt.

My SIG C3 had an extractor issue that was fixed with a few file strokes.

The last three I've bought, A Smith PD, a Springer, and Wesson CBOB have all been flawless, thus far.

Maybe I've just been lucky.

knedrgr
10-31-2010, 20:44
all 3 of mine have been perfectly functional out of the box.

Hokie1911
10-31-2010, 20:46
all 3 of mine have been perfectly functional out of the box.

...and THEN you put flat triggers on them. :rofl:

knedrgr
10-31-2010, 21:02
...and THEN you put flat triggers on them. :rofl:

And then you sold your ONE AND ONLY 1911...membership revoke! :tongueout:

Topped it off by putting off picking up your Ed Brown and bought a plastic pistol :upeyes: :tongueout:

ElectricZombie
10-31-2010, 23:36
I bought NIB Kimber for about $1,000 that was 100% from day one. I didn't shoot it any better than my Glocks, so I traded it.

Quack
11-01-2010, 06:48
all 3 of mine have been perfectly functional out of the box.

Lies!!! The mil-spec wouldn't feed hollowpoints.

Hokie1911
11-01-2010, 08:13
And then you sold your ONE AND ONLY 1911...membership revoke! :tongueout:

Topped it off by putting off picking up your Ed Brown and bought a plastic pistol :upeyes: :tongueout:

Quack polluted my feeble mind with how crappy Kimbers are. :whistling:

...and it's not just plastic....it's HK. :supergrin:

(btw...there's actually more to reason for the delay picking up the Brown, it would have been Spring regardless).

Delta-x
11-01-2010, 08:16
My Colt Commander was good right out of the box.

ajgranda
11-01-2010, 08:18
I've had very few problems with any of my 1911s under $1000.

I think a lot of the issues are user related and lack of experience. You obviously know your 1911s more than most. ;)

lawdog734
11-01-2010, 08:31
The only one I had problems with was a kimber raptor I had. I bought it used and I think the previous owner threw his problems in for free.

Quack
11-01-2010, 08:34
...and it's not just plastic....it's HK. :supergrin:



so it's over-priced plastic :tongueout::rofl:

knedrgr
11-01-2010, 08:41
Lies!!! The mil-spec wouldn't feed hollowpoints.

True. But then I don't consider that a problem.

This is where the whole "break in period" of shooting the gun w/ XXX number of rounds comes in. I just chose not to waste money with break in ammo, and polished the feed ramp so hollowpoints would feed without having the ramp smooth out by those "break in" FMJ's.

Too bad the feedramp wasn't made by Glock... :rofl:

lawdog734
11-01-2010, 08:41
:laughabove: at quack

knedrgr
11-01-2010, 08:42
so it's over-priced plastic :tongueout::rofl:

it came with a free purse for his wife, so she wouldn't say anything about the overprice tupperware. :rofl:

Hokie1911
11-01-2010, 09:03
so it's over-priced plastic :tongueout::rofl:
Haha, was waiting for this. :thumbsup:

...and I have to admit, I find your assertion of HK being "overpriced plastic" intriguing and somewhat amusing. This coming from a guy with a Brown that is +$1,000 over a TRP, a CBOB, and +$1,200 over a Trojan. All considered to be excellent pistols and values. However, my HK was +$250 over a Glock (yes, even with GSSF) and it's "overpriced"? Fit, finish, and ergos of HK vs Glock is a non-issue. :dunno:

Quack
11-01-2010, 10:54
There's much more work to produce a steel gun.
They just got to inject plastic in a mold.
Also with the Brown, I'm buying American :tongueout:

Hokie1911
11-01-2010, 10:58
There's much more work to produce a steel gun.
They just got to inject plastic in a mold.
Also with the Brown, I'm buying American :tongueout:

Yet you drive a Subaru and Ducati. :rofl:

Quack
11-01-2010, 11:03
The Subaru Is made in Indiana and no American motorcycle company makes a Supermoto type motorcycle :tongueout:

ijacek
11-01-2010, 12:43
Both Colt's, both bought brand new earlier this year, both under 1000$ [one more than other :cool:], both have been "correct" out of the box!

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