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12smile
10-31-2010, 22:04
Just saw Youtube vid of black talon hollowpoint...not only does it have sharp petals, it has hooks to tear arteries.

Just saw a promo for HBO The Pacific series and a guy was pointing a 1911 and I asked myself..."Does he have what I'd consider 'range ammo" in that pistol.

Someone here knows the answer to this question.

Thanks

MD357
10-31-2010, 22:18
They issued ball ammo in WWII, if that's what you're asking. Not 100% sure since your post doesn't make a ton of sense.

FWIW, Black Talon ammo is outdated.

CitizenOfDreams
10-31-2010, 22:30
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kirgi08
11-01-2010, 01:01
If I were ever ta shoot a WWII 1911,it'd be a quality ball ammo..........


That being said,if I lucked up and ever did land a WWII 1911,I don't know if I'd shoot it all that much.'08. :dunno:

12smile
11-01-2010, 01:24
They issued ball ammo in WWII, if that's what you're asking. Not 100% sure since your post doesn't make a ton of sense.

FWIW, Black Talon ammo is outdated.

I was wondering if they had hollow point bullets or armor piercing bullets for the side arms in WWII..my guess is that they didn't.

kirgi08
11-01-2010, 02:06
Yep.'08.

paul45
11-01-2010, 04:22
Just saw Youtube vid of black talon hollowpoint...not only does it have sharp petals, it has hooks to tear arteries.





http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k57/paul10mm/double-facepalm.jpg

jrs93accord
11-01-2010, 07:13
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lawdog734
11-01-2010, 07:59
When I shot my WWII 1911 I used 230gr ball rounds. I was surprised it held about a3 inch group at about 15 yds. The black talons are no longer made the current production is the ranger talons made by Winchester.

Jim Watson
11-01-2010, 08:12
I think there was some issue of pistol tracers to pilots; meant for them to use as flares if forced down.

BOGE
11-01-2010, 09:13
I used Black Talons years ago. :whistling: :supergrin:

http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo129/Boge_1960/100072687-1-l.jpg

MajorD
11-01-2010, 10:08
since the hague accords that were signed by most countries in the late 1890's early 1900's which states it is prohibited to use ammo designed or calculated to increase suffering or wounding, all military issue ammo has been hardball.in fact in wwI the germans tried to cry foul when soldiers using shotguns(plain lead buckshot) did trench raids and said the lead buck violated the rules- that one did not fly however.up to the present day standard issue ammo for all military small arms in US inventory is full metal jacket hardball

raven11
11-01-2010, 10:16
I think there was some issue of pistol tracers to pilots; meant for them to use as flares if forced down.

if it was issued it must have been WWII, because we have been using pen flares since the birth of the Air Force
http://www.fightingknives.info/Portals/9/Pen%20Guns/mba%20flare%20pen%20gun%201.JPG

polizei1
11-01-2010, 10:34
since the hague accords that were signed by most countries in the late 1890's early 1900's which states it is prohibited to use ammo designed or calculated to increase suffering or wounding, all military issue ammo has been hardball.in fact in wwI the germans tried to cry foul when soldiers using shotguns(plain lead buckshot) did trench raids and said the lead buck violated the rules- that one did not fly however.up to the present day standard issue ammo for all military small arms in US inventory is full metal jacket hardball

Just a FYI if you didn't already know, the Marine Corps has been looking into new ammo recently. I remember seeing this in February when it was posted.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2010/02/marine_SOST_ammo_021510w/

The new rounds are supposed to be a good improvement, and are lead-core copper jacketed rounds. Apparently these have also been deemed legal by the pentagon, though I haven't heard anything from my unit, so I suspect they either won't use them because they are too expensive, or just don't really care. :faint:

Anyway, just though I would throw that in there...I would personally like to see some hollowpoint boat tails. :whistling:

-Cody

SHOOTR13
11-01-2010, 11:49
FMJ during WWII

Ahhh...Black Talons !! Still have quite a few boxes of 'em in assorted calibers.

A little history: ( Thanks Wikipedia )

The ammunition was used by the gunman of the 1993 Long Island Railroad mass murder (http://glocktalk.com/wiki/Colin_Ferguson_(convict)). In 1996 a lawsuit was subsequently filed by one of the victim's family members (McCarthy v. Sturm, Ruger and Co., Inc., 916 F.Supp. 366 (S.D.N.Y., 1996)) claiming that Olin Corp. should be liable for the shooting spree based on the design, manufacture, marketing, and sale of Black Talon ammunition. The claims against Olin were dismissed because it was held that the bullets were not defectively designed. Winchester bowed to pressure and in 1993 removed the ammunition from public sale for a time, and eventually law enforcement also bowed to the pressure, but at no time was it, nor is it presently, illegal to possess the Black Talon ammunition.

deadite
11-01-2010, 13:12
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deadite

Spiffums
11-01-2010, 13:27
Just saw Youtube vid of black talon hollowpoint...not only does it have sharp petals, it has hooks to tear arteries.

Winchester SXT.......... Same eXact Thing

Just saw a promo for HBO The Pacific series and a guy was pointing a 1911 and I asked myself..."Does he have what I'd consider 'range ammo" in that pistol.

Someone here knows the answer to this question.

Thanks

Mine in Bold.

CitizenOfDreams
11-01-2010, 16:24
http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/oo129/Boge_1960/100072687-1-l.jpg


Look at the key in the right bottom corner of the box... Guns already had safety locks back then. :crying:

brisk21
11-01-2010, 16:29
The ammo used during WWII was 230gr. FMJ or Ball ammo. I believe at around 820 FPS. The way I look at it, 230gr. ball ammo was devistating back then and that is the ammo that gained the .45s reputation as a great manstopper. I figure modern quality hollowpoint .45 ammo must REALLY be good.

.45Super-Man
11-01-2010, 20:41
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deadite

Very nice deadite, I never get tired of looking at that! This is where it all began.

Glock26z
11-02-2010, 00:13
I always use ball ammo 230 grain in all my 1911s and my S&W 625-8 5 inch revolvers.

James Dean
11-02-2010, 08:43
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deadite
You my friend are a very lucky man

EricandSuebee
11-02-2010, 08:54
I also never get tired at looking at that as well, why can't we just go back to issuing 1911's again to our military show em this is america! hehe

deadite
11-02-2010, 09:26
Very nice deadite, I never get tired of looking at that! This is where it all began.

Thanks, buddy! I threw in my dad's ruck sack from Viet Nam and an original box of ammo that was given to me along with the gun and holster. :)

deadite

deadite
11-02-2010, 09:29
You my friend are a very lucky man

Thanks, my mentor was very generous to give this to me.

I also never get tired at looking at that as well, why can't we just go back to issuing 1911's again to our military show em this is america! hehe

Part of me agrees with you. I was explaining to a newbie to guns what a classic American design the 1911 is just two days ago. I look at the Colt 1911 and see American ingenuity.

deadite

polizei1
11-02-2010, 09:43
They won't go back because of mainly the price, is what I've been told. The military chose the 9mm based on how cheap it was, plus the cost of the guns in general.

And FWIW, I suck at shooting the Berretta, and I wish the military would go back to 1911's. And our badges still have the M1 Garand and 1911 on them.

deadite
11-02-2010, 11:01
They won't go back because of mainly the price, is what I've been told. The military chose the 9mm based on how cheap it was, plus the cost of the guns in general.

And FWIW, I suck at shooting the Berretta, and I wish the military would go back to 1911's. And our badges still have the M1 Garand and 1911 on them.

I like shooting them both and I'm pretty accurate with both of them... But, I can see the arguments on both sides.

deadite

kirgi08
11-02-2010, 13:01
They won't go back because of mainly the price, is what I've been told. The military chose the 9mm based on how cheap it was, plus the cost of the guns in general.

And FWIW, I suck at shooting the Berretta, and I wish the military would go back to 1911's. And our badges still have the M1 Garand and 1911 on them.

They also wanted ta conform with NATO.'08.

jrs93accord
11-02-2010, 15:37
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deadite
11-03-2010, 09:00
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/jamesrea10/001-10.jpg

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http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea_08/jamesrea09/jamesrea10/002-10.jpg

Very cool!

deadite

rem2429
11-05-2010, 12:15
Thanks, my mentor was very generous to give this to me.



Part of me agrees with you. I was explaining to a newbie to guns what a classic American design the 1911 is just two days ago. I look at the Colt 1911 and see American ingenuity.

deadite

Not to mention american manufacturing...