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Carolina Drifter
11-01-2010, 19:24
Taurus PT1911 or Para GI Expert to build on????

Quack
11-01-2010, 19:26
neither.

EricandSuebee
11-01-2010, 19:26
Of those two, I'd go Para.

Hokie1911
11-01-2010, 19:37
neither.

This. :thumbsup:

bac1023
11-01-2010, 19:54
Neither. They may be the two worst companies currently producing 1911s.

If I was forced to choose, I guess I'd go with the Taurus, as I feel the slide and frame is better quality than the cast Para parts. I don't mind the frame, but Para uses a cast slide, which I feel is ridiculous.

The Para is a better fit gun out of the box, but that isn't saying much. Taurus' parts fitting is horrible.


http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu324/cutillo_2009/014-5.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_2488.jpg

drc767
11-01-2010, 19:59
Given the two choices.....Glock 21 SF :)

bac1023
11-01-2010, 20:00
Given the two choices.....Glock 21 SF :)

:rofl::rofl:

pistolwrench
11-01-2010, 20:07
HARI-KARI!....aka 'Seppaku'.
:rofl:

Tactical black
11-01-2010, 20:19
Is there a reason it has to be one of those two choices?

bac1023
11-01-2010, 20:25
Is there a reason it has to be one of those two choices?

I hope not. :sad:

.45Super-Man
11-01-2010, 20:35
Honestly, I'd choose one of the Phillipinos(especially the American classic)over the others. Even STI is using Phillipino parts and I suspect others such as Doublestar are as well.

GAFinch
11-01-2010, 20:40
Taurus PT1911 or Para GI Expert to build on????

If you know a gunsmith who's willing to use one of those as a base gun, you don't want to use him.

syr74
11-01-2010, 20:41
If I was forced to choose, I guess I'd go with the Taurus, as I feel the slide and frame is better quality than the cast Para parts. I don't mind the frame, but Para uses a cast slide, which I feel is ridiculous.

I agree. I was looking into an Olympic Arms 'Schuetzen Pistol Works' 1911 and, after inquiring about their components, received a reply that their frames and slides are both investment castings. I'm still not certain that this is completely accurate as I have seens and heard things which lead me to suspect that, while the stainless slides and frames are indeed both castings, the carbon steel slides may be forgings.

As for the stainless parts, this leads me to wonder if Olympic uses the same slide and frame supplier that Para Ordnance does?

bac1023
11-01-2010, 20:44
If you know a gunsmith who's willing to use one of those as a base gun, you don't want to use him.

Yeah, I agree.

I never heard of a serious smith touching one of those with a 10' pole. :whistling:

bac1023
11-01-2010, 20:45
Honestly, I'd choose one of the Phillipinos(especially the American classic)over the others. Even STI is using Phillipino parts and I suspect others such as Doublestar are as well.

The Filipino builders (Metro, Armscor, and SAM) are all better than Taurus and Para, in my opinion.

Para is sub par. Taurus flat-out sucks.







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syr74
11-01-2010, 20:46
If you know a gunsmith who's willing to use one of those as a base gun, you don't want to use him.

Well, as long as the forged frame and slide are fundamentally sound a Taurus might make as good a platform as any for a full custom build where you are likely to throw out most if not all of the other components anyway. I honestly don't know enough about the PT1911 to know if even the very basics iof the platform (the slide and frame) are solid or terrible.

Of course, even if we assume the best about the frame and slide the problem is that it would still be a Taurus PT1911 which would torch the value of a gun that would no doubt cost a small fortune to build. So I agree that a good smith would probably advise against it if for no other reason than long term value and their own reputation.

This is really unfortunate for Taurus too, because Taurus could have almost certainly stolen the very low end of this market from the Phillipino manufacturers if their version of the 1911 was better executed.

Quack
11-01-2010, 20:49
If you know a gunsmith who's willing to use one of those as a base gun, you don't want to use him.

Terry G.? :whistling::rofl:

syr74
11-01-2010, 20:51
Terry G.? :whistling::rofl:

I think the scary part may be how right you probably are.

Quack
11-01-2010, 20:52
what is the OP's idea of "build on"?
for the cost of either of those 2 he could buy a Springfield GI or Mil-spec and get a nicely built gun. if it's a gun he wants to learn on, cut up/modify, then i would still go with a Filippino 1911.

syr74
11-01-2010, 20:54
what is the OP's idea of "build on"?
for the cost of either of those 2 he could buy a Springfield GI or Mil-spec and get a nicely built gun. if it's a gun he wants to learn on, cut up/modify, then i would still go with a Filippino 1911.

I think this might have been a purely hypothetical 'which sucks less' barometer and nothing more. But then, I am straight up guessing here.

Quack
11-01-2010, 20:58
when i was at the gun show with knedrgr and a friend that wants a "shiny gun", our "Shiny Gun" friend asked about Para and Taurus. I told him if he bought one i'd slap him silly :animlol:

brisk21
11-01-2010, 20:59
Honestly, I'd choose one of the Phillipinos(especially the American classic)over the others. Even STI is using Phillipino parts and I suspect others such as Doublestar are as well.


I thought I read that Doublestar uses Caspian frames and all Ed Brown internals. That being the case, they may be decent.

I would rather not build a custom gun than use a Taurus or Para, but if I had to pick Id pick the Taurus. Does anyone know where Taurus gets their frames? Or do they forge their own? Please tell me they're not Imbel frames.

bac1023
11-01-2010, 21:01
I think this might have been a purely hypothetical 'which sucks less' barometer and nothing more. But then, I am straight up guessing here.

Maybe :dunno:

syr74
11-01-2010, 21:06
I thought I read that Doublestar uses Caspian frames and all Ed Brown internals. That being the case, they may be decent.

I would rather not build a custom gun than use a Taurus or Para, but if I had to pick Id pick the Taurus. Does anyone know where Taurus gets their frames? Or do they forge their own? Please tell me they're not Imbel frames.

If I'm not mistaken, not only does Taurus forge their own frames and slides, they make almost all if not all of the machinery, etc that they use to produce their firearms. Of course, I could well be wrong. And, if I am right, this is damning praise since a company that involved in the manufacture of their own components should really have their stuff together.

Hokie1911
11-01-2010, 21:06
I bet the Penguin and an emory cloth could have either smoother than K-Y'd ballbearings. :thumbsup:

javelinadave
11-01-2010, 21:33
The gunsmith who has done two of my 1911 triggers has a huge "Friends Don't Let Friends Buy Taurus" sign in his shop.

ctfireman
11-01-2010, 21:37
I honestly can't bring myself to choose either......i'd check out a base model springfield.

Wade-19
11-01-2010, 21:38
what is the OP's idea of "build on"?
for the cost of either of those 2 he could buy a Springfield GI or Mil-spec and get a nicely built gun. if it's a gun he wants to learn on, cut up/modify, then i would still go with a Filippino 1911.

Ask pistolwrench how nice my Springfield Mil-spec was when he got it !:crying:

Quack
11-01-2010, 21:45
Ask pistolwrench how nice my Springfield Mil-spec was when he got it !:crying:

i said "and get a nicely built gun" didn't say it'll start nice :tongueout::rofl:

glock2740
11-01-2010, 21:48
Taurus PT1911 or Para GI Expert to build on????
That's like trying to choose between getting punched in the nose or the nuts. :tongueout:

MD357
11-01-2010, 21:55
Taurus PT1911 or Para GI Expert to build on????

Definately the Glock.

knedrgr
11-01-2010, 22:22
Terry G.? :whistling::rofl:

for those that doesn't know about Terry G...enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCF2u3K743A

Glolt20-91
11-01-2010, 22:48
The money I spent on this Para would have been better spent on an STI Trojan . . . 38 Super extractor at ~1,000 rounds;

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/At%20the%20range/Para38Superextractor.jpg

It was flawless until the extractor crapped out.

I can only imagine what their entry level model is like.

Bob :cowboy:

ArmoryDoc
11-02-2010, 00:12
neither.

BINGO that, sir Duck. :cool:

bac1023
11-02-2010, 04:15
That's like trying to choose between getting punched in the nose or the nuts. :tongueout:

:rofl:

nolt
11-02-2010, 05:49
those mim parts just dont respond to a trigger job...

(lol ive never seen that video good stuff)

Carolina Drifter
11-02-2010, 07:50
OK, The Para and the Taurus are out so the STI you think is the best entry????

Hokie1911
11-02-2010, 07:56
STI Spartan, DE 1911G, and Remington R1 would all be MUCH better choices under $700. Hell, a RIA would be a better choice.

Quack
11-02-2010, 08:05
those mim parts just dont respond to a trigger job...

(lol ive never seen that video good stuff)

IIRC, Nut-n-Fancy's friend had to swap back to the original parts because the gun (after it was worked over by Terry G) started doubling.

Carolina Drifter
11-02-2010, 08:24
I'm looking at the STI Spartan. What improvements would you make out of the box or just wait and see how it performs?

Quack
11-02-2010, 08:25
I'm looking at the STI Spartan. What improvements would you make out of the box or just wait and see how it performs?

i'd put a flat trigger on it :supergrin::rofl:

Hokie1911
11-02-2010, 08:52
i'd put a flat trigger on it :supergrin::rofl:

Shocking. :animlol:

knedrgr
11-02-2010, 09:37
i'd put a flat trigger on it :supergrin::rofl:

+1 :rofl:

Carolina Drifter
11-02-2010, 09:43
So much for getting info.

Quack
11-02-2010, 09:56
So much for getting info.

that was the info, no improvement needed on the STI's unless it's something that you want on it.

Hokie1911
11-02-2010, 10:01
I think the info was pretty clear....those 2 choices are not good. But I think there was a recent thread about polishing a turd. :dunno:

Tactical black
11-02-2010, 11:30
So much for getting info.

What info are you seeking?

I think the Spartan is pretty well set up from STI but if you plan on carrying it you might want to swap the sights to fixed sights...

Hokie1911
11-02-2010, 11:39
What info are you seeking?

I think the Spartan is pretty well set up from STI but if you plan on carrying it you might want to swap the sights to fixed sights...

http://shop.harrisoncustom.com/category/53-sights.aspx

Tactical black
11-02-2010, 12:12
http://shop.harrisoncustom.com/category/53-sights.aspx

Yeah that's probably the only thing I would do...

Hokie1911
11-02-2010, 12:24
Yeah that's probably the only thing I would do...

If it were me and it's for carry, I'd just get a Ranger2. Don't need to change anything. :thumbsup:

Tactical black
11-02-2010, 13:59
If it were me and it's for carry, I'd just get a Ranger2. Don't need to change anything. :thumbsup:

The Ranger is about a $1000.00 right?

Hokie1911
11-02-2010, 14:03
The Ranger is about a $1000.00 right?

Yep. Can't think of a better (new) carry gun for less than $1k.

Tactical black
11-02-2010, 14:09
Yep. Can't think of a better (new) carry gun for less than $1k.

I agree I wish it had a better finish on it then it would be a real bargain.

Hokie1911
11-02-2010, 14:37
I agree I wish it had a better finish on it then it would be a real bargain.

Meh, if it's a carry gun...it's gonna show some signs of love anyway. :supergrin:

Tactical black
11-02-2010, 14:39
Meh, if it's a carry gun...it's gonna show some signs of love anyway. :supergrin:

The blued guns are considerable worse then other finish and in this humid environment I don't know if it would hold up very well at all...

Hokie1911
11-02-2010, 15:44
The blued guns are considerable worse then other finish and in this humid environment I don't know if it would hold up very well at all...

Sounds like someone has a case of...

http://www.sarcasticmyspace.com/graphics/blakkfrogg/comments63/pics_sweaty-man-ass.jpg

Tactical black
11-02-2010, 16:17
:rofl::rofl: I do live in Florida you know :whistling:

Hokie1911
11-02-2010, 16:35
:rofl::rofl: I do live in Florida you know :whistling:

Yeah I know. :animlol:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/joshmillslane/swamp_ass_riddle.jpg

Tactical black
11-02-2010, 16:51
:animlol:

Carolina Drifter
11-02-2010, 17:00
http://shop.harrisoncustom.com/category/53-sights.aspx

Thanks

bac1023
11-02-2010, 17:19
STI Spartan, DE 1911G, and Remington R1 would all be MUCH better choices under $700. Hell, a RIA would be a better choice.

:agree:

Those three are some of your best bets in the price range.

glock2740
11-02-2010, 18:38
Yeah I know. :animlol:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k20/joshmillslane/swamp_ass_riddle.jpg
:rofl: