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Sarge43
11-01-2010, 23:44
I'd not held one of these until today, and then only for a short time with no working or break down involved. The guy behind the counter said for the price it was a solid performer and shooter. I know they're fairly new, but figured someone here would have one. Any first hand information, likes/dislikes would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Sarge

.45Super-Man
11-01-2010, 23:51
I want the american classic. I had the chance to really look one over recently and came away very impressed for the askin of 500. Even STI is using Phillipino parts and frames.

AZ Husker
11-02-2010, 00:11
Even STI is using Phillipino parts and frames.

Only in one model and only to give the average Joe a chance to own an STI.

bac1023
11-02-2010, 04:10
Citadel is built by Armscor, who also makes RIA.

Good guns.

bac1023
11-02-2010, 04:12
I want the american classic. I had the chance to really look one over recently and came away very impressed for the askin of 500. Even STI is using Phillipino parts and frames.

Not true.

Only the STI Spartan is built in the Philippines. Its more a case of STI suppling Armscor with small parts to complete this entry level gun.

STI doesn't build it or anything with Filipino parts.

STIs mid and higher end guns are built on STI frames and slides here in the states.









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knedrgr
11-02-2010, 07:44
I'd not held one of these until today, and then only for a short time with no working or break down involved. The guy behind the counter said for the price it was a solid performer and shooter. I know they're fairly new, but figured someone here would have one. Any first hand information, likes/dislikes would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Sarge

A friend has an officer 45ACP, and it's a good performer.

Just need to detail strip and clean it. Make sure you get the FP apart and see if there is grease or such in there.

Other than that, he had it in a class and shot 300+ rounds thru it without any issues. And it was in 45-degree outdoor weather.

Quack
11-02-2010, 08:15
it was a +500rd class...

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/LMI%20Fighting%20Pistol%201/DSC_2071.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/Quackzilla/LMI%20Fighting%20Pistol%201/DSC_2068.jpg

knedrgr
11-02-2010, 09:10
it was a +500rd class...

I thought he had ran out of ammo near the end of the class.

Quack
11-02-2010, 09:55
I thought he had ran out of ammo near the end of the class.

that was Ryan, and he bought extra rounds from me. Richard bought 200rds from me the day before so he would have 550rds for the class.

Sarge43
11-02-2010, 10:18
Well, what I'm getting from the responses is that for the pricepoint, they are decent pistol's.
I knew you guys would have some information.
Thanks!
Sarge

Quack
11-02-2010, 10:24
or we could be lying to you :rofl:

knedrgr
11-02-2010, 12:33
:laughabove: You can't trust those shady Asians...:animlol:

Quack
11-02-2010, 12:37
:laughabove: You can't trust those shady Asians...:animlol:

you can't trust the Vietnamese with the shady propaganda on the ammo that i have :rofl:

bac1023
11-02-2010, 17:16
or we could be lying to you :rofl:

:rofl:

knedrgr
11-02-2010, 20:09
you can't trust the Vietnamese with the shady propaganda on the ammo that i have :rofl:

That propaganda was from the from the US Army to the VC.

frank_drebin
11-26-2010, 17:36
Quack, did you have any failures during the class? I am seriously considering one of these. Peachstate Guns has them for $429 right now which means $400 tax if I go pick it up locally.

Quack
11-26-2010, 17:53
he had no failures during that class.

the only failure during his initial 100rds (the week before) was that the firing pin channel was full of shipping grease and was causing the firing pin to stick in the fired position, causing the firing pin stop to drop and hang up on the hammer. after it was cleaned out, he took it to the class the next weekend and fired 500rds w/o a problem.

Disregarded9-side
11-26-2010, 18:40
Quack, what're the downsides to this pistol? As someone who owns several high end pistols where does it really fall short? I know fit and finish, and obviously it needs a flat trigger...but sounds really sweet so far; almost too good to be true.

I did some looking around and everything I read is positive. People seem to find the gun much more accurate than I'd ever be with it and no one said the safety fell off or anything. Is the frame steel? Cast I guess; does that really matter? Would this be a good frame/pistol to build on if I decided I really like the platform (1st 1911), or would y'all consider it too cheap to upgrade? Thanks.

frank_drebin
11-26-2010, 19:52
Thanks Quack. I guess I'll head over there Monday morning before work and pick one out. I have been debating between this and a VZ-58. I'll get more use out of this I think.

http://shop.peachstateguns.com/product.sc;jsessionid=7BE048AF4CEAA80B607D6BD5373CA1D8.qscstrfrnt01?productId=763&categoryId=67

From their website:


Citadel 1911 SubCompact Citadel
6 + 1 Round 45 ACP Compact w/3.5" Barrel/Blue Finish Citadel M1911 features
Series 70 Firing System
forged steel frame and slide
skeletonized hammer and trigger
Novak style sights
lower and flared ejection ports
positive extended beavertail grip safety
1911 round trigger guard
Lockable hard plastic case included


Compact supplied with a six round magazines. Type :Pistol Action :Single Caliber :45 Automatic Colt Pistol (ACP) Barrel Length :3 1/2" Capacity :6 + 1 Safety :Thumb and Grip Grips :Checkered Wood Sights :Novak

Weight :2 lbs
Finish :Blue

FREE SHIPPING IN THE CONTINENTAL U.S. ALASKA AND HAWAII CALL FOR SHIPPING PRICE

Quack
11-26-2010, 20:31
Quack, what're the downsides to this pistol? As someone who owns several high end pistols where does it really fall short? I know fit and finish, and obviously it needs a flat trigger...but sounds really sweet so far; almost too good to be true.

I did some looking around and everything I read is positive. People seem to find the gun much more accurate than I'd ever be with it and no one said the safety fell off or anything. Is the frame steel? Cast I guess; does that really matter? Would this be a good frame/pistol to build on if I decided I really like the platform (1st 1911), or would y'all consider it too cheap to upgrade? Thanks.

For the money, its a really nice gun.

Hokie1911
11-26-2010, 21:08
:laughabove: You can't trust those shady Asians...:animlol:

Especially knedrgr. He is a shady Asian that just got himself a mail-order Asian bride from overseas. :rofl:

rsxr22
11-26-2010, 21:55
I agree with Don. We have seen quite a few of these come through our store and they really are a good value for what you get.

Quack
11-26-2010, 22:02
one other thing that i should note is that the trigger was parkerized and was binding in the trigger track. i replaced the factory trigger with one out of my Loaded and the trigger pull dropped from ~4.5# (with factory trigger installed) to 2# (Loaded trigger installed), so the trigger was creating ~2.5# of drag. and while i was at it, i cleaned up the sear/hammer engagement.
the tension on the sear spring had to be adjusted because there was barely any pressure on the center leaf (disconnector/trigger return).

bac1023
11-26-2010, 23:12
Before Citadel was indroduced, Armscor marketed the exact same guns under the Charles Daly name.

Mine has been great.


http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu81/ollituc/002-10.jpg

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