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Bob2223
11-02-2010, 09:19
Well never say never!
I never owned or thought I would ever own a 9mm, well I started shootin the little 9's (in one of Jack's favorite plastic hand guns).
The other "I'll never shoot or own caliber" is that little 380 pop gun round !
Anyway I was just lookin at my Hornady 380 die set and the seating die and the crimp die sez 380 / 9mm, so what keeps me from using the 380 sizing die is it too short or will it work on a 9mm?
And will the 380 expander work on a 9mm

If the 380 sizing die wont work for 9mm I might cheap out and just get a 9mm sizing die only and use the 380 seater and crimp die ? :embarassed:




Bob

Boxerglocker
11-02-2010, 09:25
I've been debateing this myself... putting a conversion for .380 together for my XL650. My research shows so far as they are not the same, neither is the crimping die. I'm gonna go with a Lee sizer and a RCBS crimp in .380 Auto, use my Redding 9mm competition seater as it's the same profile and diameter. I think you would have to do the reverse. Hopes this helps.

Bob2223
11-02-2010, 09:47
The Hornady seater I'm pretty sure will work or it sez it will work for 380 & 9mm ?
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=255580

I thought the crimp die would work but maybe I'm missing something ?
I'm just tryin to get by cheap on dies because I'll also have to get a mould and Star sizer die. :whistling:

Bob

Boxerglocker
11-02-2010, 09:54
The .380 is a straight wall as oppose to the 9mm which is a taper... I think that may have a difference.

fredj338
11-02-2010, 10:04
The .380 is a straight wall as oppose to the 9mm which is a taper... I think that may have a difference.

That i scorrect. You may be able to get acceptable results, but a quick look at the case dims shows the 308 is not just a shorter 9mm case.

Bob2223
11-02-2010, 10:06
That i scorrect. You may be able to get acceptable results, but a quick look at the case dims shows the 308 is not just a shorter 9mm case.

Well Fred, my 308 is a little longer then a 9mm :whistling:


Was that too abrasive? :supergrin:

Bob

Bob2223
11-02-2010, 10:09
The .380 is a straight wall as oppose to the 9mm which is a taper... I think that may have a difference.

Your right I always forget that about the 9.
So a sizing die for sure, and now if the crimp and expander would just work?

Ok, maybe I just need to get a 9 die set, I could still use the Hornady seating die with a cheap set of Lee dies.

Bob

Boxerglocker
11-02-2010, 10:14
Your right I always forget that about the 9.
So a sizing die for sure, and now if the crimp and expander would just work?

Ok, maybe I just need to get a 9 die set, I could still use the Hornady seating die with a cheap set of Lee dies.

Bob

The expander should be the same as it's the same diameter.

I've been thinking Lee Dies too since my .380 stuff is minimal. But looking closely at the Redding and RCBS ones as well... whatever goes on sale first I think will be the winner.

GioaJack
11-02-2010, 10:30
My Lyman and RCBS seating dies were actually too short to work in the tool head of the LNL... had to buy a Hornady to make it work correctly.


Jack

Bob2223
11-02-2010, 10:51
My Lyman and RCBS seating dies were actually too short to work in the tool head of the LNL... had to buy a Hornady to make it work correctly.


Jack

Are you just talkin about the 9mm Sir ?
Just wondering cause I use RCBS seating dies in 357, 40 and 45 in my LNL ? :dunno:
Oh, never mind I forgot you crimp and seat with the same die, I like to use a seperate crimp die.



Have you had your 2 1/2 pots of coffee yet ?
Just wondering, cause the LNL doesn't have a tool head , it'z gotz bushings! :upeyes:















Ha, call me a flatlander slug
:tongueout:

Bob

GioaJack
11-02-2010, 10:58
It's a good thing I don't live closer, I would pummel you with a shovel... flatlander slug.

Oh, what do you put your bushings into... this air? (Disregard the voting thread... you shouldn't be allowed to. :whistling:)


Jack

Bob2223
11-02-2010, 11:18
It's a good thing I don't live closer, I would pummel you with a shovel... flatlander slug.

Oh, what do you put your bushings into... this air? (Disregard the voting thread... you shouldn't be allowed to. :whistling:)


Jack

Hey I'll have you know I tried to vote early this morning !

But I was escorted out and told not to come back when I tried to write in Gioacchino Giampapa ?

:supergrin:

Bob

Colorado4Wheel
11-02-2010, 17:01
Hornady Seater for 380 is the same as for 9mm is the same for .38 Super Comp/whatever they call it.

Expander on 9mm and .380 is the same on the Dillon and I can't imagine why it wouldn't be the same for others that are just a simple cone shape.

Shellplate for LnL is different for both (been doing some looking at the LnL again ;))

Sizer is different for 380 and 9mm.

Why you LnL guys are too cheap to buy a Lee Crimp die is beyond me.

GioaJack
11-02-2010, 17:08
Hornady Seater for 380 is the same as for 9mm is the same for .38 Super Comp/whatever they call it.

Expander on 9mm and .380 is the same on the Dillon and I can't imagine why it wouldn't be the same for others that are just a simple cone shape.

Shellplate for LnL is different for both (been doing some looking at the LnL again ;))

Sizer is different for 380 and 9mm.

Why you LnL guys are too cheap to buy a Lee Crimp die is beyond me.



Because we're smart enough to know how to do it the right way :whistling:

(Did you vote?)


Jack

Colorado4Wheel
11-02-2010, 17:10
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Because we're smart enough to know how to do it the right way :whistling:

(Did you vote?)


Jack

Friday.

I am in Denver now. Been here all week taking the Series 7 class. Lots of fun.

I actually really like my Dillon Crimp die in 9mm. I load a lot of lead in 9mm so I like how easy it is to clean. That was High Dollar for me and my cheap self.

GioaJack
11-02-2010, 17:25
Friday.

I am in Denver now. Been here all week taking the Series 7 class. Lots of fun.

I actually really like my Dillon Crimp die in 9mm. I load a lot of lead in 9mm so I like how easy it is to clean. That was High Dollar for me and my cheap self.


Series 7 isn't that big of a deal, it's just a long test, takes several hours. Make sure you know and understand puts, calls, straddles... pretty much everything about options, lots of questions along those lines.

As I recall we had one break when we were allowed to leave the room and go outside... needed a cigarette so bad was ready to slaughter everyone there. Especially the proctor... they have no sense of humor what-so-ever.

Study hard, you'll do okay. Oh... there's nothing to measure on the test. :supergrin:


Jack

dudel
11-02-2010, 18:12
I think you'll need a different shell holder/plate.

Bob2223
11-02-2010, 18:28
Hornady Seater for 380 is the same as for 9mm is the same for .38 Super Comp/whatever they call it.

Expander on 9mm and .380 is the same on the Dillon and I can't imagine why it wouldn't be the same for others that are just a simple cone shape.

That what I was thinkin

Shellplate for LnL is different for both (been doing some looking at the LnL again ;))

It's a #8 shell plate for 9mm and #16 for 380 so you'll need those two with your new LNL. :whistling:

Sizer is different for 380 and 9mm.

looks like I'll need a .357 Star die

Why you LnL guys are too cheap to buy a Lee Crimp die is beyond me.

I already have one Lee crimp die.






Bob
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Colorado4Wheel
11-02-2010, 18:35
I use a Lee 2 cavity mold for casting 105 gr bullets for my LCP. Work great but I don't shoot it much. Lyman 147 gr mold for 9mm. Both go through the same Star sizer. It's a .357 but it sizes to .356

Of course the case sizing die is different for 9mm and .380.

Bob2223
11-03-2010, 06:54
I use a Lee 2 cavity mold for casting 105 gr bullets for my LCP. Work great but I don't shoot it much. Lyman 147 gr mold for 9mm. Both go through the same Star sizer. It's a .357 but it sizes to .356

Of course the case sizing die is different for 9mm and .380.

I cast a 90 gn in a RCBS mould and use a .355 sizer die for a LCP, works great and no leading.
Guess I could open the .355 die up to .356 and try it.



Bob

OkieGunNut
11-03-2010, 09:55
"I cast a 90 gn in a RCBS mould and use a .355 sizer die for a LCP, works great and no leading. Guess I could open the .355 die up to .356 and try it."

I cast the Lee 102 for my new LCP. I lube it using my .358" die in my 450. I get no leading at that size. I do get a little leading when they are sized to .356". I am dealing with the "smiley" knocking a small piece of lead off that gets into the chamber. This may be due to too warm a load so I am backing off 1/2gr and I am trying three LOAs: .980,.950,.920. Having studied the mechanism I think I may have a fix for the mag to prevent the ramp from impacting the bullet nose. We'll see.