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Myke_Hart
11-02-2010, 19:55
The wife bought me the uber expensive RCBS bullet feeder for my birthday!
I was stoked to get it hooked up but… I ran into a few problems.

First I have a broken piece on the collator (pic attached). Might have happened in shipping but the box was flawless sooo, I will call RCBS in the morning to see if they will ship me a new piece. This tiny broken piece holds the collator plate down at the top when you have heavy bullets on the bottom of the plate. I thought it was not necessary but tests I performed show that it is needed as the collator plate lifts with belt tension when there is a heavy load of bullets on it.

Second the casting on the collator plate is horrible (pic attached). There are pits and holes all throughout the plate. I will query RCBS to see if they will send me another one without shipping the whole unit back. If not I will probably live with the flaws, especially if I have to pay return shipping. All those black spots are holes in the aluminum casting. Shouldn’t affect anything but it wouldn’t take much to crack the plate with all those bubbles in the aluminum.

Third is that the super steep angle that the collator runs at 30, 40, or 45 degrees seems to be too steep for my 230 grain .451 XTP hollow points. They seem to line up and just slip on the plate. If I reduce the angle of the collator to an unsupported 25 degrees or so, things start working like clock work. This may not be an issue once I get the broken plastic piece replaced. So disregard this issue until I get my unit fixed and I can test again.

Like I said above I will call RCBS in the morning and see if I can get some pieces in the mail. If I have to ship the unit back I will just return it to MidwayUSA where it was purchased for a swap out. I will be using this thread to document my success… or failure.

I need to pick the brains of those of you that own the RCBS bullet feeder once I am up and running…(the search feature tells me that very few of you do own one)

If you have any tuning tips for the RCBS bullet feeder let me know. I can already see that I will have to fabricate a new stand for the unit as my setup will not allow the factory supplied stand to work. I guess I get to play with my tubing bender and Miller tig welder! Watch out jmorrismetal, I’m about to fabricate!

It was a bummer I didn’t get to permanently hook up and use the feeder tonight but that’s how it goes with new toys. They always let you down at first… Then you get out the cutting torch and welder and make it work how YOU think it should!

Broken!
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/reloading/IMG_1730.jpg

The PITS!
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/reloading/IMG_1735.jpg

Bullet line up and slip
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/reloading/IMG_1737.jpg

How it looks now.
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/reloading/IMG_1739.jpg

GioaJack
11-02-2010, 20:09
Good wife, good wife... does she have a single sister?

Myke, if you ever get a chance to run lead bullets through it will you let us know how it goes. I understand that if you use a hard, non-sticky lube and dust the bullets with baby powder it's supposed to work fairly well.

I'll use you as a guinea pig... too much money if I can't use it for lead. :supergrin:

Congratulations on the feeder, hope it works out great for ya.


Jack

Boxerglocker
11-02-2010, 21:22
OOOOOhhhhh…..AAAAhhhhh!!!!! Very cool :bluesbrothers:

Bello
11-03-2010, 04:15
is the rcbs for the lock and load ap?

Myke_Hart
11-03-2010, 05:24
Good wife, good wife... does she have a single sister?

Myke, if you ever get a chance to run lead bullets through it will you let us know how it goes. I understand that if you use a hard, non-sticky lube and dust the bullets with baby powder it's supposed to work fairly well.

I'll use you as a guinea pig... too much money if I can't use it for lead. :supergrin:

Congratulations on the feeder, hope it works out great for ya.


Jack

Yep she does have 2 sisters, 1 is recently single. I know how you love x's. :supergrin:

Yes, I will try some cast when I get her going. Just looking at how it operates I am afraid that it would damage cast bullets. The collator has a pretty violent tumble and drop and I have a feeling it will tear them up pretty good especially at the angles it operates. When I make my stand I will probably add a few non standard angle holes to give the bullets a softer tumble or make it so I can set it at any angle.

Do you use a lubrisizer/Stick lube or tumble lube? I do NOT own a lubrisizer style sizer/luber, Just those silly lee push thru sizer dies as I use tumble lube. I DO have molds for both type boolits, so if I can figure out how to get the stick lube in the grooves without the lubrisizer I can test both.

What calibers do you want tested in lead? As I don't have plethora of molds. Worst case you can send me some boolits!:supergrin::whistling:

Oh I did't mention above but my version of the RCBS feeder is the pistol version not the rifle. Yes there are 3 different versions of the feeder, Pistol, Rifle 22 cal, Rifle 30 cal. And No, I don't know the differences in the models.

Myke_Hart
11-03-2010, 05:29
is the rcbs for the lock and load ap?

The RCBS bullet feeder is for any press that has a stationary die plate/head. If your dies move up and down or spin around you are out of luck.

View videos of the Feeder connected to different presses on Ultimate reloaders site.

http://ultimatereloader.com/2009/12/20/draft-created-on-december-20-2009-at-509-pm/

Bob2223
11-03-2010, 05:41
Cool toy ! :cool:

Nice wife!

Lookin forward to ya gittin it goin !





Bob

GioaJack
11-03-2010, 08:57
Myke, when you get a chance send me a PM with your address, I'll send you an assortment of cast bullets lubed with Blue Angel, a very hard lube with a very high flow rate. Not sticky at all.

Let me know what calibers, diameters and weights so you can try some different types. We'll use straight wheel weights so you can get an idea of what the feeder does to an 'average' alloy.

Don't wait till just before Christmas 'cause I ain't standin' in line at the post office.


Jack

buyobuyo
11-03-2010, 08:58
...if I can figure out how to get the stick lube in the grooves without the lubrisizer I can test both.

Pan lube them. One popular lube is BAC (http://www.lsstuff.com/lube/). I've never done any pan lubing (just getting into casting myself), but I've read some lubes work for pan lubing and some don't. BAC is one I've read in a number of posts about pan lubing.

jmorris
11-03-2010, 09:14
If you have any tuning tips for the RCBS bullet feeder let me know. I can already see that I will have to fabricate a new stand for the unit as my setup will not allow the factory supplied stand to work.

When I built my first collator (now case feeder) I mounted it with split set collars so the angle could be adjusted quick and easy.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o213/jmorrismetal/reloading/DSC02212.jpg

Myke_Hart
11-03-2010, 12:29
On the phone with RCBS now. They are sending me a 781201 Pistol Bullet Wheel and a 181206 Tube Retainer free of charge. If they don't have the parts in stock he said he will rip apart one of the functioning units, so I should have the parts soon. Apparently I don't have to send back the pitted bullet wheel.

I guess I will go ahead and start on my custom stand.

So far RCBS customer service is still A+. :supergrin:

Myke_Hart
11-03-2010, 12:31
Myke, when you get a chance send me a PM with your address, I'll send you an assortment of cast bullets lubed with Blue Angel, a very hard lube with a very high flow rate. Not sticky at all.

Let me know what calibers, diameters and weights so you can try some different types. We'll use straight wheel weights so you can get an idea of what the feeder does to an 'average' alloy.

Don't wait till just before Christmas 'cause I ain't standin' in line at the post office.


Jack

PM sent. If you send them I will give you a video of each running in the collator and post.

GioaJack
11-03-2010, 12:36
PM sent. If you send them I will give you a video of each running in the collator and post.


PM received. What calibers, weights, diameters? I cast .380, 9mm, .38, .41, .44, and .45. Nothing you can really use in .40 or 10 mm. (Sorry, old school.)


Jack

Myke_Hart
11-03-2010, 12:39
When I built my first collator (now case feeder) I mounted it with split set collars so the angle could be adjusted quick and easy.


Do these collars bolt together? Its hard to tell in the photo.

Myke_Hart
11-03-2010, 13:12
PM received. What calibers, weights, diameters? I cast .380, 9mm, .38, .41, .44, and .45. Nothing you can really use in .40 or 10 mm. (Sorry, old school.)


Jack

It doesn't matter, cause I reload them all except .41. I will probably just keep them around to test for you in the future. Worse case is I remelt them.

Just send what you want tested.

Are any comming from lee molds?

GioaJack
11-03-2010, 13:17
It doesn't matter, cause I reload them all except .41. I will probably just keep them around to test for you in the future. Worse case is I remelt them.

Are any comming from lee molds?


Blasphemer! Lyman and Lachmiller moulds, maybe a RCBS or two. I'll get 'em out to you within the next couple of days.

I'll send 'em sized and lubed so you can see if they have any effect on the cleanliness of the bowl or feed tube.


Jack

Myke_Hart
11-03-2010, 13:22
Blasphemer! Lyman and Lachmiller moulds, maybe a RCBS or two. I'll get 'em out to you within the next couple of days.

I'll send 'em sized and lubed so you can see if they have any effect on the cleanliness of the bowl or feed tube.


Jack

Just asking cause I have quite a few lee molds. I am a cheap bastard.

I will take before and after pics and vids of the boolits and bowl. I have a feeling the colator will knock the lube out of the grooves...But we will see!

Myke_Hart
11-05-2010, 16:29
No deliveries yet! As in no brown truck of fun... What's the odds that RCBS set it out Sat delivery or USPS? Oh well, It gets here when it gets here.

I did purchase the metal tubing to make the stand... But I might have come up with a better Idea and it involves very long springs... :whistling:

I will let you know what I come up with soon.

GioaJack
11-05-2010, 16:42
Your bullets went in the mail yesterday. The mail lady is starting to get suspicious, asked my why I always mail such heavy packages.

Told her they're resumes to all the women who contact me on Match.com. Not sure why she wanted to know what my screen name is. :dunno:


Jack

Myke_Hart
11-06-2010, 15:06
Your bullets went in the mail yesterday. The mail lady is starting to get suspicious, asked my why I always mail such heavy packages.

Told her they're resumes to all the women who contact me on Match.com. Not sure why she wanted to know what my screen name is. :dunno:


Jack

Thats Wierd!

Would this be them? That is the fastest delivery I have ever seen!

If only RCBS would follow your lead...

Looks like I got some testing to do!
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/reloading/IMG_1779.jpg

Glock XIX
11-06-2010, 23:01
Did Jack include the Colorado Kool Aid also ? What a great gumba he is.

Myke_Hart
11-08-2010, 05:41
Oh, lord... Maybe should have waited.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16265084&posted=1#post16265084

http://www.hornady.com/store/Lock-N-Load-Bullet-Feeder-New

GioaJack
11-08-2010, 10:49
Did Jack include the Colorado Kool Aid also ? What a great gumba he is.


Jack doesn't drink horse urine. If it's beer it's going to be Guinness and if that's not available it's Diet Pepsi.


Jack

ron59
11-08-2010, 12:48
Oh, lord... Maybe should have waited.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16265084&posted=1#post16265084

http://www.hornady.com/store/Lock-N-Load-Bullet-Feeder-New

LOL. Yep, might should have waited a bit.

Myke_Hart
11-08-2010, 17:08
OK, I am starting to worry. No packages today either. No tracking number or email saying anything was shipped.

I will call RCBS in the morning. :faint:

GioaJack
11-08-2010, 17:17
Myke:

Your wife certainly can't be faulted for being one hell of a considerate lady, wish I could find one like that.

I'm wondering if in light of the new development with Hornady if for some reason the RCBS doesn't meet your standards if she purchased it from a place that has say a two week or maybe 30 day return policy.

Whether it turns out to be the best thing since sliced white bread or no better than a boat anchor you still got yourself one hell of a woman.

Does she have a sister? :whistling:


Jack

shotgunred
11-08-2010, 19:50
Or more appropriately for jack a grandmother or great grandmother.

GioaJack
11-08-2010, 20:11
Or more appropriately for jack a grandmother or great grandmother.


Man, I'm saving money left and right... yet another one off the Christmas card list.

Oh, rats, my pen just ripped through the paper.


Jack

shotgunred
11-08-2010, 21:45
That's ok you are probably shoot me in the back as I steal the 1050 and the bullet feeder. So at that point whats a card.

Glock XIX
11-08-2010, 22:49
Jack doesn't drink horse urine. If it's beer it's going to be Guinness and if that's not available it's Diet Pepsi.


Jack

Amen to that brother, that stuff is a disgrace to the
Rocky Mtn. region.

jmorris
11-09-2010, 08:10
Oh, rats, my pen just ripped through the paper.


First thought...

http://comps.fotosearch.com/comp/PSK/PSK004/declaration-independence_~1574R-017976.jpg

Myke_Hart
11-13-2010, 12:56
OK parts are here. Bolted them on.

Fashsioned a temporary mount plate like ultimate reloaders. Adjusted the height.

Running some tests now.

wavetrain75
11-13-2010, 13:45
I officially finished with RCBS yesterday when I finally gave up on a primer feed for the rockchucker. Their stuff seems like the Chinese knockoff of reloading equipment and I will never buy any of their stuff again.

That said, anyone want to trade a rockchucker for a Lee turret press?

Myke_Hart
11-13-2010, 17:17
Finnaly some test results for collating the bullets.

First I will say if you are not into fiddling with things to get them working this unit is not for you. Straight out of the box it probably will not work the first time for you.

That said...

Stuff that works:
Zero 115gr 9mm JHP worked awesome in this unit.

Hornady 180gr .400/10mm XTP JHP worked well

Hornady 230gr .451 XTP JHP works if the hopper is full, with around 50 you have to stir them to get them moving.

Hornady 300gr .452 XTP Mag About as big as this thing will handle, cracked the feeder tube. This is as big as you will get down its gullet without modification.

Stuff that absolutely did not work:
Hornady 95gr 9mm makarov - turns sideways in the large tube and wont go down the small tube. Can be made to work. Custom spring and custom feeder tube insert needed to keep the bullet from turning in the tube.

Stuff that sorta worked:
Giojack LedHead 225gr .452 Blue Angel lubed - Damages the lube due to the diameter of the bullet being as big as the feeder can handle. Must keep the spring as straight as possible to keep the bullets from hanging up. Must increase the angle of the feeder to the steepest setting. Quite a few upside down feeds.

Giojack LedHead 162gr .358 blue angle -
Must keep the spring as straight as possible to keep the bullets from hanging up. Must increase the angle of the feeder to the steepest setting. Quite a few upside down feeds.

Giojack LedHead 162gr .358 Super sticky caramel lube -This stuff was ultra sticky! Not as good as above blue angle. Must keep the spring as straight as possible to keep the bullets from hanging up. Must increase the angle of the feeder to the steepest setting and then some. Quite a few upside down feeds. Bullets need to be powdered so that gravity can get them off the feeder plate. Left a sticky residue in the pot that was easily polished off. Did not seem to get the tubes and springs sticky. I will retest with powder as soon as I find some.

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I have pictures and video of this first test.

I will post them as soon as they are sorted and uploaded.

I will also test more brands and types of bullets.

The next phase of the test will be seating thru the plastic fingers.

Colorado4Wheel
11-13-2010, 17:22
Wow, thanks for the update.

Myke_Hart
11-13-2010, 18:24
The feeder setup
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/reloading/RCBS%20BULLET%20FEEDER/IMG_1826.jpg

Giojack 162gr .358 blue angel misfeed
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/reloading/RCBS%20BULLET%20FEEDER/IMG_1835.jpg

Giojack 162gr .358 blue angel stuck in spring upside down
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/reloading/RCBS%20BULLET%20FEEDER/IMG_1838.jpg

hornady 95gr makarov turned sideways in tube
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/reloading/RCBS%20BULLET%20FEEDER/IMG_1847.jpg

Giojack 162gr .358 sticky lube misfeed
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/reloading/RCBS%20BULLET%20FEEDER/IMG_1856.jpg

Myke_Hart
11-13-2010, 18:28
Giojack 225gr .452 blue angel damaged by feeder tube
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/reloading/RCBS%20BULLET%20FEEDER/IMG_1860.jpg

Hornady .451 XTP
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/reloading/RCBS%20BULLET%20FEEDER/IMG_1869.jpg

Hornady .400/10mm XTP
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll264/myke_hart/reloading/RCBS%20BULLET%20FEEDER/IMG_1881.jpg

GioaJack
11-13-2010, 18:32
Excellent write up and photos Myke. Will be interested in learning if dusting the bullets with powder, (baby or talc) will make any difference.

Going to try the new Hornady just for the heck of it. It's already on order but Hornady doesn't expect to ship them out to distributors until after the first of the year. They want to have a supply of spare parts in stock before the units get in customers hands.

Wondering if it's going to be appreciably different than the RCBS.


Jack

Myke_Hart
11-13-2010, 19:37
Excellent write up and photos Myke. Will be interested in learning if dusting the bullets with powder, (baby or talc) will make any difference.

Going to try the new Hornady just for the heck of it. It's already on order but Hornady doesn't expect to ship them out to distributors until after the first of the year. They want to have a supply of spare parts in stock before the units get in customers hands.

Wondering if it's going to be appreciably different than the RCBS.


Jack

Yeah the hornady looks extremely simular. I might return my RCBS. It has been a pain so far. I have about 2 more weeks. I will continue testing.

Myke_Hart
11-14-2010, 09:21
I am terminating tests and returning the unit to midway.

I attempted to load some Remington golden saber 102gr .380 today and kept getting upside down feeds and bullet hangups in the springs. It took longer to straighten out the issues than it would to just put the bullets on by hand.

Returning the unit to midway as defective. Putting the broken parts with the unit. Feeder tube holder, bad cast bullet plate, cracked feeder tube. Most happened in shipping the feeder tube happened from use.

In all the RCBS bullet feeder has some potential if someone is willing to make some modifications and spend some time with it. But at a $400 price range I think it should work a little better straight out of the box.

RCBS responded promptly with new parts at no cost to me. Shipping of those parts did take a few weeks.

I will probably wait for the hornady to come out and give it a try.

GioaJack
11-14-2010, 11:21
Myke:

Unless your name is Little Stevie we all realize you can't expect perfection out of any piece of equipment but based on the videos I've seen and the reviews I've read you seem to have had more problems with that particular unit than others have had.

You would think that if they all presented those types of problems they wouldn't be able to market them.


Jack

n2extrm
11-14-2010, 11:26
Myke,

Thanks for the time you put in. I was thinking about one of these and now I may give it some more time to see if they get any better.

I am not surprised about those gioa cast bullets, I hear they don't run in anything but a red 1911 and even then above 10,000 feet. :whistling: