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B_RAD
11-04-2010, 14:20
Just ordered one from Brian Enos. All I got was the press, cc, dies and a bench wrench. The prices for primer flip tray seemed a little expensive on his site. I'm pretty sure I've bought on for about $4 a long time ago. Anyone ever heard of a Simple Digital Scale? The local gun store has them for $39. I could have bought the Dillon Elimanator balance one but it's $54. I'm going to buy flip tray, tumbler, scale somewhere else. I've got calipers. Does Midway have good prices on all that?

XDRoX
11-04-2010, 14:27
Congrat's.
I'd spring for the Dillon scale. You certainly don't want a cheap scale.
The Dillon flip tray is expensive, but it's built to last. Weighs like half a pound:supergrin:

PCJim
11-04-2010, 14:36
Congrats on your purchase. The 550 is a well built press and will suit the majority of reloaders very well for their entire lifetimes. I consider mine will become a heirloom.

Personally, go for the beam scale. It may seem a bit pricy, but they don't go bad and will last you forever. Also consider the 5-0-5 style which is available from several vendors. Google 505 scale for images. Do NOT go with an inexpensive digital scale - you will become much too frustrated with their tendancies to vary from charge to charge, may not react to trickle charging, battery sensitivity, etc.

I still use a RCBS plastic flip tray from the early 80's - they may seem cheap but if not abused, will last a long time. A tumbler is not a necessity, but certainly helps in keeping your brass, dies and chambers clean, not to mention that clean brass is much easier to examine for problems.

If you will be reloading bottleneck cases, don't forget the case lube - the brand/type is debatable, the need unrefrutable. If reloading straightwalled cases, it will not be necessary.

Again, congrats.

IndyGunFreak
11-04-2010, 14:46
Congrats on your purchase. The 550 is a well built press and will suit the majority of reloaders very well for their entire lifetimes. I consider mine will become a heirloom.

Personally, go for the beam scale. It may seem a bit pricy, but they don't go bad and will last you forever. Also consider the 5-0-5 style which is available from several vendors. Google 505 scale for images. Do NOT go with an inexpensive digital scale - you will become much too frustrated with their tendancies to vary from charge to charge, may not react to trickle charging, battery sensitivity, etc.

I still use a RCBS plastic flip tray from the early 80's - they may seem cheap but if not abused, will last a long time. A tumbler is not a necessity, but certainly helps in keeping your brass, dies and chambers clean, not to mention that clean brass is much easier to examine for problems.

If you will be reloading bottleneck cases, don't forget the case lube - the brand/type is debatable, the need unrefrutable. If reloading straightwalled cases, it will not be necessary.

Again, congrats.

I agree w/ everything said above. A friend of mine picked up the RCBS primer flipper for $5 I do believe... If it's not to late, I'd add the Dillon Beam Scale to your order. It's quite a bit cheaper than the RCBS 505. Cheap digitals, are just that, cheap.. You'll simply end up frustrated.

FWIW.. My buddy picked up this Flip tray at Gander Mountain for $5 on sale... http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000449480

GioaJack
11-04-2010, 14:48
Even after the recent election results you still decided to go with the BLUE, Democratic, Oppressive and Socialistic press as opposed to the RED, Republican, Self-Reliant, Freedom loving press! Will the populace never learn?


(Congratulations, you'll love the press. :supergrin:)


Jack

ron59
11-04-2010, 15:12
Bought mine last year... started reloading first of July (2009). Got almost 25,000 rounds on it so far. You'll love it.

norton
11-04-2010, 15:33
Hooray
Another soldier for BLUE!

Bob2223
11-04-2010, 15:39
Congrats ! :thumbsup:


Bob

B_RAD
11-04-2010, 16:05
I just called BE and added the elimanator. He was able to add it to my order that way it would save me the extra shipping cost. Great service! Should be here Tues!

IndyGunFreak
11-04-2010, 16:08
I just called BE and added the elimanator. He was able to add it to my order that way it would save me the extra shipping cost. Great service! Should be here Tues!

Great choice, you won't regret it.

IGF

unionman
11-04-2010, 16:25
Yeah another blue They are the best

Boxerglocker
11-04-2010, 16:52
Congrats... Red or Blue, it don't matter... it's a natural progression to the sport of shooting that in itself will bring you enjoyment as well... not to mention save you $$$ in the long run :supergrin:

GioaJack
11-04-2010, 16:54
Congrats... Red or Blue, it don't matter... it's a natural progression to the sport of shooting that in itself will bring you enjoyment as well... not to mention save you $$$ in the long run :supergrin:


Oh man, if there's one thing I can't stand it's logic... where the hell is the fun in that? :crying:


Jack

Boxerglocker
11-04-2010, 16:59
Oh man, if there's one thing I can't stand it's logic... where the hell is the fun in that? :crying:


Jack

:tongueout: Got ya didn't I?!

GioaJack
11-04-2010, 17:07
:tongueout: Got ya didn't I?!


Aren't you supposed to be waxing an airplane or something?

Oh, have someone check those engines, apparently they're falling off in mid-air. Maybe stronger duct tape? :dunno:


Jack

Boxerglocker
11-04-2010, 17:18
Aren't you supposed to be waxing an airplane or something?

Oh, have someone check those engines, apparently they're falling off in mid-air. Maybe stronger duct tape? :dunno:


Jack

That was a Quantas Airbus A380.... I'm Boeing, Prefight and Delivery Quality Assurance...US made...

I'll send ya a "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going" bumper sticker for your LNL. :cool:

jeremiahjj
11-06-2010, 09:18
Be VERRRRRY careful with a digital scale that measures everything from ounces to grams to grains to carats. It's very easy to see a "g" (which means grams) and think it's a "gr" (which means grains). Yes, the manual explains all that but I still made the mistake. What is really needed, especially for a noobie, is a scale that reads ONLY in grains. :crying:

dudel
11-06-2010, 09:43
Congrats on the 550b. I got mine from BE as well. Good service and all the parts showed up.

I'd highly recommend a beam scale (any but the Lee) over a cheap digital. The Lee works; but all the others are easier to use.

The Dillon flipper is an interesting option. It works well; but I agree it's pricey. If I was burning bucks, I'd get one; but since I don't I'll stick with my square RCBS plastic one. I've had it 20 years, and it continues to work just fine. I have noticed that some of the concentric rings are becoming worn. At 50+ years old; almost any primer flipper out there would be a lifetime purchase; so it just depends on how crazy I get. The Dillon flipper is the kind of thing that you'd like to get as a gift; but is hard to spend the money on.

Bello
11-06-2010, 14:16
Congrats on the 550b. I got mine from BE as well. Good service and all the parts showed up.

I'd highly recommend a beam scale (any but the Lee) over a cheap digital. The Lee works; but all the others are easier to use.

The Dillon flipper is an interesting option. It works well; but I agree it's pricey. If I was burning bucks, I'd get one; but since I don't I'll stick with my square RCBS plastic one. I've had it 20 years, and it continues to work just fine. I have noticed that some of the concentric rings are becoming worn. At 50+ years old; almost any primer flipper out there would be a lifetime purchase; so it just depends on how crazy I get. The Dillon flipper is the kind of thing that you'd like to get as a gift; but is hard to spend the money on.

i dont understand how "HARD" you think the lee scale is to use? the instructions explain it perfectly and i have no problems with mine?

njl
11-06-2010, 17:50
I got started about two years ago with an RL550B kit from BE. I also bought my scale elsewhere...though not even a cheap one...a Lyman X1000P. I just got the Dillon Eliminator after getting fed up with the Lyman's malfunctions. Save your money and just buy a beam scale. They're slower to use than digital, but the good ones work and will keep working. Digital...maybe you'll get a good one, maybe you won't. Maybe it'll freak out and start drifting, maybe it won't.

The last straw with mine was when I dumped a charge on it that should have weighed about 4gr, and the display didn't change at all from 0.00. At this point, it usually works within 0.1gr of the Dillon immediately after being calibrated, but I can leave a sample on it for a few minutes and watch the display drift by several tenths of a grain. And wouldn't you know it...the warranty was 1 year...so it's out of warranty.

dudel
11-06-2010, 18:22
i dont understand how "HARD" you think the lee scale is to use? the instructions explain it perfectly and i have no problems with mine?

I'm glad you like yours; but lee instructions seldom explain anything perfectly.

My issue with the Lee scale is the use of the vernier scale instead of a third poise for 1/10 grain. The vernier is cheaper to make; but harder to read and adjust compared to a separate poise.

Sounds like the Lee scale is the only one you've used. That hardly puts you in a good position to compare. Had you used a scale with a separate poise, I'm sure you'd have ditched the Lee. The difference is night and day.

Bello
11-07-2010, 06:36
I'm glad you like yours; but lee instructions seldom explain anything perfectly.

My issue with the Lee scale is the use of the vernier scale instead of a third poise for 1/10 grain. The vernier is cheaper to make; but harder to read and adjust compared to a separate poise.

Sounds like the Lee scale is the only one you've used. That hardly puts you in a good position to compare. Had you used a scale with a separate poise, I'm sure you'd have ditched the Lee. The difference is night and day.

actually no i also have a dillon eliminator scale and a digital scale but like i stated above the instructions are perfectly explained on a lee out of the box! i never had one problem from digi scale to lee scale always same charge i understand some people like you just hate lee and have to give it a bad name at every chance but its cool. just dont deter others who are on a budget and are trying to start out with certain budgetable items!

BK63
11-07-2010, 08:13
Blue, red, we're all reloaders in the end. Can't we all just.....get along :supergrin:

By the way, congrats on the 550. You will enjoy it for many years to come.

dudel
11-07-2010, 12:28
actually no i also have a dillon eliminator scale and a digital scale but like i stated above the instructions are perfectly explained on a lee out of the box! i never had one problem from digi scale to lee scale always same charge i understand some people like you just hate lee and have to give it a bad name at every chance but its cool. just dont deter others who are on a budget and are trying to start out with certain budgetable items!

"It's best to be quiet and be thought the newb than to type and remove all doubt"

I don't hate Lee products. I have a good number of them. Check this forum here newb, and you'll find I'm the strongest supporter of the LFCCD. I'm also a big supporter of the 6 cavity moulds. I have several of their dies, use their universal decapper die, their hardness tester, their bottom pour pots, and a number of their other products. I still have two of their Auto Prime units that still get used when I workup small batches. So your comment about always bashing Lee products is just so much BS. I just haven't drunk their koolaid to the point that I can recommend a Lee scale to someone starting out.

The OP is getting a 550b, so we are not talking domestic beer budget. The Lee scale has no repeatability in the 1/10 grain poise, so it's not a repeatable setting. The vernier scale means you have to eyeball if one or two lines are showing up in the window.

Here are the instructions. http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi-data/instruct/SA2056.pdf
Go to page 2, examples 2, 3 and 4.

Example 2: 13.0 grains - Notice the line which should be on the right of 0 is on 9.

Example 3: 13.9 grains - Notice the line which should be on the left of 9 is on 0.

Example 4: 13.45 grains - Because you have a full line at 4 and 5, you're halfway between 13.4 and 13.5 so it's 13.45. There is never any need for this kind of accuracy.

All quotes from their instructions. So, to read 13.9 you look for the line in windows 0; To read 13.9, you look for a line in window 9. If there is a line in two windows, it's halfway (but you don't need this accuracy).

Please. This is your idea of a good scale? I won't even get into their razor blade pivots.

If you think the Lee stuff is so great, why'd YOU get Redding dies and a Dillon 650?

If you were so concerned about budget, you'd be recommending the Lee dippers. A much better option for someone on a budget than the Lee scale.

Bello
11-07-2010, 16:30
"It's best to be quiet and be thought the newb than to type and remove all doubt"

I don't hate Lee products. I have a good number of them. Check this forum here newb, and you'll find I'm the strongest supporter of the LFCCD. I'm also a big supporter of the 6 cavity moulds. I have several of their dies, use their universal decapper die, their hardness tester, their bottom pour pots, and a number of their other products. I still have two of their Auto Prime units that still get used when I workup small batches. So your comment about always bashing Lee products is just so much BS. I just haven't drunk their koolaid to the point that I can recommend a Lee scale to someone starting out.

The OP is getting a 550b, so we are not talking domestic beer budget. The Lee scale has no repeatability in the 1/10 grain poise, so it's not a repeatable setting. The vernier scale means you have to eyeball if one or two lines are showing up in the window.

Here are the instructions. http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi-data/instruct/SA2056.pdf
Go to page 2, examples 2, 3 and 4.

Example 2: 13.0 grains - Notice the line which should be on the right of 0 is on 9.

Example 3: 13.9 grains - Notice the line which should be on the left of 9 is on 0.

Example 4: 13.45 grains - Because you have a full line at 4 and 5, you're halfway between 13.4 and 13.5 so it's 13.45. There is never any need for this kind of accuracy.

All quotes from their instructions. So, to read 13.9 you look for the line in windows 0; To read 13.9, you look for a line in window 9. If there is a line in two windows, it's halfway (but you don't need this accuracy).

Please. This is your idea of a good scale? I won't even get into their razor blade pivots.

If you think the Lee stuff is so great, why'd YOU get Redding dies and a Dillon 650?

If you were so concerned about budget, you'd be recommending the Lee dippers. A much better option for someone on a budget than the Lee scale.

Cause i can afford to. Damn old man you get punked on a forum and start crying like a ***** kinda funny! Must be a moody old agitative man! Get divorced live free. Buy a new BMW

dudel
11-08-2010, 04:57
Cause i can afford to. Damn old man you get punked on a forum and start crying like a ***** kinda funny! Must be a moody old agitative man! Get divorced live free. Buy a new BMW

Yeah, so we see where you really stand on Lee:rofl: It's fine for someone else but not for you.

Sure you can afford it, you just got your birthday money.:tongueout: Had to wait for a birthday did you? Just moved back in with your parents also. Yep, big man. I'm truely impressed. Yes indeed. Way to go newb.

And BTW, I'll put my fleet up against yours any time. :supergrin:

Colorado4Wheel
11-08-2010, 07:55
Even I have the guts to use Lee dies.

The Lee scale works. What people fail to really understand I think is that it is far too sensitive. Any minor change sends the beam swinging. I think it could weight a 1/100 of a grain. Thats all fine and dandy but you got to then slide the adjuster to 1/100 of a grain to get it to balance. It has no indents to make this easy. The slider moves around as if possessed and I have actually spend minutes just trying to get it to balance. I freaking hate the thing. Do that enough and you will be begging for a beam scale with indents. If you got the magic touch to make it balance then it's no big deal I guess. I aint got that magic touch I guess.

Steve 48
11-08-2010, 13:34
I love my 550 and its been around for 10 years.

dudel
11-08-2010, 18:03
Even I have the guts to use Lee dies.

The Lee scale works. What people fail to really understand I think is that it is far too sensitive. Any minor change sends the beam swinging. I think it could weight a 1/100 of a grain. Thats all fine and dandy but you got to then slide the adjuster to 1/100 of a grain to get it to balance. It has no indents to make this easy. The slider moves around as if possessed and I have actually spend minutes just trying to get it to balance. I freaking hate the thing. Do that enough and you will be begging for a beam scale with indents. If you got the magic touch to make it balance then it's no big deal I guess. I aint got that magic touch I guess.

Thank you Steve. That was my point. It works. It's just a pain to use. The 1/10 grain is a slider without detents. It's just not as repeatable as a scale where you can set the poise on a stop and be done. I found the Lee too twitchy. It works; but there are way better solutions for not much more money.

From Midway, you can get a Lee for $22 or a Lyman for $45 (or an RCBS for $46). For less than $25 you can get a decent scale. You'll save $30 just from reloading. That's less than a tank of gas (unless you admit to drving a Prius!) for something that will last you your reloading lifetime. People spend more than that on a single mag.

Jerry
11-08-2010, 18:22
Congrats on the 550b. I got mine from BE as well. Good service and all the parts showed up.

I'd highly recommend a beam scale (any but the Lee) over a cheap digital. The Lee works; but all the others are easier to use.

The Dillon flipper is an interesting option. It works well; but I agree it's pricey. If I was burning bucks, I'd get one; but since I don't I'll stick with my square RCBS plastic one. I've had it 20 years, and it continues to work just fine. I have noticed that some of the concentric rings are becoming worn. At 50+ years old; almost any primer flipper out there would be a lifetime purchase; so it just depends on how crazy I get. The Dillon flipper is the kind of thing that you'd like to get as a gift; but is hard to spend the money on.

I bought my RCBS green, square flipper tray in 1973. Itís sill going strong. :supergrin: