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Jitterbug
11-06-2010, 08:59
I have a fresh pound of AA5 and about 350 Nosler 135's that have been sitting on the shelf gathering dust for the past 15 years.

I have two sources for data, AA's 3.4 Edition and a Complete Reloading Manual for the 10mm/40 S&W/.41AE from 1991.

AA has a load for the 135 grain Sierra JHP starting at 10.3 grains and the CRM has a start load for a "generic" 135 grain bullet of 9.7 grains.

I can get two sources of data for AA7 and 135 Nosler (Nosler website and AA 3.4 edition) and I need to pick some up anyways, and will do so if this is a better way to go.

But thought I might be able to start assembling some loads using AA5 before making a trip to the fun shop.

I'm just looking for a mild plinking load to burn these bullets up, I really don't have any use for the 135's and their just sitting gathering dust.

I have several small lots of mixed, fired brass. Anywhere from 1 time to 6 times fired.

I spent over an hour searching including the Accurate Arms "Sticky" above anyone have any suggestions for duplicating data?

Kegs
11-06-2010, 09:10
Why not buy a pound of 800x and make those little noslers haul! :supergrin:

I think the nosler 135s are going to be my next load project - I'm going to plan a goal of 1560 fps or slightly more average.

If these work out well (no signs of overpressure, same poi as other pet load, flawless function, etc.), they will be my practice/defense/carry load and I'll load up a few thousand of them to keep on hand.

Jitterbug
11-06-2010, 09:15
800 X is on the "buy" list along with some 200 grain cast bullets...for my carry "woods load", but once the load is worked up and tested I won't be shooting much of it.

I'm shooting a 4.25" 1911 Kegs and I don't want to beat on it any more then necessary.

I have at least 100 rounds of D.T. 135's on hand if I ever decide I have a "need for speed" , they are very, very accurate in my Dan Wesson.

Taterhead
11-07-2010, 12:58
I have a fresh pound of AA5 and about 350 Nosler 135's that have been sitting on the shelf gathering dust for the past 15 years.

I have two sources for data, AA's 3.4 Edition and a Complete Reloading Manual for the 10mm/40 S&W/.41AE from 1991.

AA has a load for the 135 grain Sierra JHP starting at 10.3 grains and the CRM has a start load for a "generic" 135 grain bullet of 9.7 grains.

I can get two sources of data for AA7 and 135 Nosler (Nosler website and AA 3.4 edition) and I need to pick some up anyways, and will do so if this is a better way to go.

But thought I might be able to start assembling some loads using AA5 before making a trip to the fun shop.

I'm just looking for a mild plinking load to burn these bullets up, I really don't have any use for the 135's and their just sitting gathering dust.

I have several small lots of mixed, fired brass. Anywhere from 1 time to 6 times fired.

I spent over an hour searching including the Accurate Arms "Sticky" above anyone have any suggestions for duplicating data?

There is some older AA data that lists load data (start, max and velocities) for the NOS 135 JHP that is identical to the Sierra data that is in their current manual.

I am kind of in the same spot. I have some A5 and a bunch of NOS 135 JHPs. I am going to work with the combo to burn through them.

I'll start @ about 10.0 grains and probably settle @ about 1350 fps. That will proably be somewhere around 10.5 grains.

Taterhead
11-07-2010, 13:26
Why not buy a pound of 800x and make those little noslers haul! :supergrin:

I think the nosler 135s are going to be my next load project - I'm going to plan a goal of 1560 fps or slightly more average.

If these work out well (no signs of overpressure, same poi as other pet load, flawless function, etc.), they will be my practice/defense/carry load and I'll load up a few thousand of them to keep on hand.

1560 should be doable. That is the one projectile for which I do like 800-X. I used to load them to 1690 using old IMR data. I had best results with standard CCI primers rather than 350s. I've mentioned this before, but that load has over time given me the creeps so I do not load it that hot any longer. Not because of any emperical indications of excess pressures, but because the quantity of powder in the called-for max load just did not seem to make sense. Plus a tech at Hodgdon raised the proverbial eyebrow when I mentioned what the old load data published as a max load (14.5 grains). There is no current load data from Hodgdon for 135 grainers and 800-X. The new max for a 155 grain is only 9.8 grains.

As far as a projectile for defensive purposes, I have become less impressed with the NOS 135 gr JHP. I used to like it for very high energies. It is accurate and cycles fine in my G20. However, it falls apart when shot into anything. I used to carry that load, but I have become less trustful of a bullet that lacks any structural integrity. I have changed to a sturdier mid-weight projectile. The other reason I moved away from that combo is that 800-X is very flashy - nearly as bad as Blue Dot. I favor A9 for that and many other reasons.

But for a fun "uncivilized" load, stretching the legs on a 135 NOS JHP with 800-X is an attention getter. Probably the loudest load I've sent through my G20.

Jitterbug
11-08-2010, 08:00
When I went over to the 10mm camp in the late 80's or early 90's I came from the light and fast .357 crowd. Especially the Federal 125 grain JHP which was touted as the "best" one shot stop load available from a 4" revolver. It was also a very impressive "firebreather" if you missed the BD there was a good possibility he'd have heart failure from the blast and flash, which was probably a good thing since the shooter would be blinded by the ball of flash.

So...I figured a fast and/or faster 135 from the 10mm/40 would be even better yet. Which is why I purchased and pursued these loads.

I had a bad experience with a Sig 229 and some 135 .40 data I had found in the American Rifleman years ago, data for this bullet and load was new then and I didn't have a cross reference. The pistol was easily fixed and unharmed by the event but it shook me up a bit, this has been my one and only mishap...so far... with my reloads...which I don't want to repeat, knocks on wooden head, for good luck.

Since then, I lean more towards well constructed bullets in the 180 grain range for the 10mm as P.D. loads with a velocity in the 950-1150 range. Good data, and there is much evidence it works and it is much, much easier on both the gun and me.

I do have a need for 200 grain heavy's going as fast as safely possible from my 4.25" steel 1911 Commander, but that's for another day.

So in the spirit of economy, I just want to burn my remaining inventory of 135's and some 155's as mild and safe plinker's for short range pistol drills.

Since I can only find one source of published data for the AA5 and 135 Sierra, I'm just going to play it safe and wait until I pick up my next pound of AA7 which I can find load data from Nosler, and other independent sources, I need the AA7 anyways and the AA5 is getting used for some .45acp loads.

Thanks Tater and good luck with those 135's.